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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:29 pm
by Klazam
Catholic conversion confirmed

I'm actually a VT. Was hoping being ambiguous about that might draw some murders in the night my way, but eh, it kinda fell apart later in the day.

Honestly im at a loss.

I want to say pidgey is scum, but that isnt so assured because of the strange choice of nk. If Pidgey was orange scum, why would scum wanna reduce the religion spreading pool.

Wait, maybe it was beneficial to pidgey to have more spread shots in his favor, so reducing the amount of opposing religion spreaders in order to do that?

Question- Why would scum use a spread religion shot on someone who is a very easy lynch (me at the moment)? As opposed to Chara who is universally townread and unlikely to be lynched?

Thought- only Orange nightkilled, Red used power instead of nightkill? Pretty sure mod said that it was one or the other.

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:35 pm
by Joey_
Resolutions
Spoiler:
DAY 1

[
Ban Luxury
~ Silk]
PASSES

The World Congress will monitor its effects going forward, but angry letters from textile manufacturers and sex workers alike have already started pouring in.
Effect(s) Unknown.

[
Congressional Peace-keeping
~ brassherald]
PASSES

The World Congress sends its peace-keeping forces to
brassherald
's Civilization, a move that is sure to curtail aggression in the region.
brassherald receives Protection Night 1.


DAY 2

Temporary Ban Gold
[/i]
PASSES

ivilizations around the world will monitor its effects going forward, but already it appears that the very wealthy and very religious are being hit hard by the move away from the gold standard. Effect(s) Unknown.
Temporary Ban of Ivory
 
PASSES

The World Congress is applauded for its conservation efforts, and animal rights activists begin contacting member Civilizations about expanding other initiatives around the world. No gameplay effect(s)

DAY 3

[Embargo City States]
PASSES

freeze the game, boring
International Games PIDGEY
PASSES

Apparently gives +3 delegates, boring


Spoiler: Day 2 Options
DAY 2

1.
[Temporary Ban Gold]
[/i] (non-consec)

IMO hinting at kills in some ways, apparently you might get gold for blood. Also hinting that gold is linked to Religion and that Religious Gold is especially bad.
2.
[Temporary Ban Ivory]
(non-consec)

Saying that it lasted too long and that it's one of the worst thing humanity is doing to the nature. Elephant and rhinos are endangered (Africa?)
3.
[Temporary Ban Furs]
(non-consec)

2 Italian and 1 American clothing brands listed implying they are the leaders in the fur trade. Banning Furs can help protect those animals that are close to extinction, none animal are hinted.

4.
[Embargo Nation]
(non-consec, cannot self assign delegates)

Implies that the World Congress is going to act on said Nation and that is more than just denunciation.
5.
[Embargo City States]
(permanent, can be repealed)

This one is actually interesting. it says that the City States are really small and that they makes the global politics more complex and that it can interfere with the politic of the others bigger and powerful civilisation. IMO this could mean that there is 3p players with 3P win-con and Town win con. This one could shut-down their 3p win-con, in that way it would make the Global Politics simpler between the bigger and more powerful civilisations (Mafia and Town ?)

6.
Protection of Natural Wonders
(permanent, can be repealed)
 
Hinted to be linked to Culture (?). It says that we should protect the Cultural Natural Wonders around the world. Maybe it will affect everyone ?
7.
Recognition of World Wonders
(permanent, can be repealed)

In the same ways, it says that there is a Word Wonder in each and every Civ, might affect everyone ?

8.
Funding Arts
(non-consec)

It says that Art in general and around the world will get a boost and will flourish. The Resolution is to make or oppose the making of a program about art in every Civ.
9.
Funding Science
(non-consec, can self assign delegates)

This one is interesting too because it's not what i thought it was before reading the description myself.
Basically it says the the Science in general, around the world, will get a boost and will flourish. But, the resolution is about supporting or opposiong 1 Civ to talk about making a program about science in their own Civ. So this might actually boost Science scum even if we target the IC.

Spoiler: Day 3 Options
1.
[Embargo Nation]
(non-consec, cannot self assign delegates)

2.
[Embargo City States]
(permanent, can be repealed)

3.
Protection of Natural Wonders
(permanent, can be repealed)
 
4.
Recognition of World Wonders
(permanent, can be repealed)

5.
International Games Nation
(consec, can self-assign delegates)
 
***This one seems complicated, i prefer to wait for the IC to give me his thoughts! But basically you can nominate a player who will then gain some kind of advantage, like abilities? unsure

6.
SECRETO PEPITO
 
@BRASS im not sure if this one is a good idea to out as it might give info to mefias!!!
Gamestate 3.0
Alive
12/21
Spoiler:
Brassherald
Innocent Child
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JoeyChara
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ShaziroPidgeyMarshy
Vig or SK
Catholic Spreader
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JodaxqRanmaruTitus
Self Random Inventor
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Dead
9/21
Spoiler:
ElbirnKokichi Omaa50NeroCain
Weak Permanent BG
Neihborizer
Taoism Spreader
JK
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Action DanAction Dan
VT
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Varsoon
Role Cop
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CreatureDunkerdoodles
Role Blocker
Pagan Spreader
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Spoiler: My reads
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BrassheraldJoeyChara
Innocent Child
Commuter
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BujaberGamma EmeraldKlazam
VT
JOAT
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ShaziroPidgeyJodaxq
Vig
or SK
Catholic Spreader
Self Random Inventor
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MarshyRanmaruOTM
Protestant Spreader
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:36 pm
by Ranmaru
I am VT. Did not claim to wifom scum. Fine with claiming today so people can have the full picture. I am going to re-read, I think this will be harder then we think at the moment. I suggest everyone start with the creature lynch, and varsoon interactions.

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:37 pm
by Joey_
In post 4675, Klazam wrote:Catholic conversion confirmed

I'm actually a VT. Was hoping being ambiguous about that might draw some murders in the night my way, but eh, it kinda fell apart later in the day.

Honestly im at a loss.

I want to say pidgey is scum, but that isnt so assured because of the strange choice of nk. If Pidgey was orange scum, why would scum wanna reduce the religion spreading pool.

Wait, maybe it was beneficial to pidgey to have more spread shots in his favor, so reducing the amount of opposing religion spreaders in order to do that?

Question- Why would scum use a spread religion shot on someone who is a very easy lynch (me at the moment)? As opposed to Chara who is universally townread and unlikely to be lynched?

Thought- only Orange nightkilled, Red used power instead of nightkill? Pretty sure mod said that it was one or the other.
no one would shoot someone being scumread, you cant try to deny claiming for the sake of bieng shot when you are heavily fosed, that is absurd and makes ppl (including me) feels your reason is ungenuined and not warranted

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:37 pm
by Joey_
In post 4677, Ranmaru wrote:I am VT. Did not claim to wifom scum. Fine with claiming today so people can have the full picture. I am going to re-read, I think this will be harder then we think at the moment. I suggest everyone start with the creature lynch, and varsoon interactions.
fuck off you too

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:38 pm
by Joey_
In post 4671, Joey_ wrote:BTW if mafia fail there shot once more (assuming they failed n2) it gives a ml back to town, it proves that a50 was a compromise and safe shot
BTW completely forgot it was multiball for a sec, so disregard that post

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:41 pm
by Ranmaru
Generally if you are vt, and are pushed to claim, it is better you don't claim in hopes that scum may think you are a PR. Yosarian has convinced me of that.

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:45 pm
by Ranmaru
Anyway, I am going to sleep now. I will re-read later.

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:46 pm
by Chara
i'm VT.

can't think of a power that would be more important than the nightkill off of the top of my head.

pedit: i don't agree, i just claim VT as PR in those situations, haha.

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:52 pm
by Joey_
so town has no pure investigative ? it gives credence to a town track/watcher shot

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:54 pm
by Chara
oh, wait. wifoming scum. if that was the case i still wouldn't outright refuse to claim, or just claim VT because in my opinion a PR would also do that.

pedit: could be protect-heavy. i'm not discounting anyone via roleclaim.

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:57 pm
by Chara
HEAL: host: brass x3

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:25 am
by Joey_
BrassheraldJoeyChara
Innocent Child
Commuter
VT
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VT
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ShaziroPidgeyMarshy
Vig x2 or SK
Catholic Spreader
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Self Random Inventor
VT
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Gamma [
1xDOC
, 1xCOMMUTE, 1xTRACK,
1xWATCHER
]
Joadxq [n1 = TRACK, n2 = BG, n3 = ? ]

N1
(inb4 pidgey is blocked orange, he can only do one action at a time, do you use your religion spreader to do it ? nope)
Titus Non-Consec doc -> No-one
Gamma 1xWATCHER -> Brasshearald [Result = a50 visited them]
Jodaxq 1xTRACKER -> Gamma [Result = Gamma visited Brassherald] -> Claimed that before gamma claimed his watcher
Nero cain JK -> ?
Elbirn Weak BG -> ? (Assumed to have happened on gamma)
Kokichi neighborize -> Joey
A50 Taoism Spreader -> Brassherald
Pidgey Catholic Spreader -> Klazam
[Blocked, unconfirmed, possibly by Nero]

Marshy Protestant Spreader -> Ebirn [unconfirmed but likely]

KILLS (3):
Shaziro 1xVIG -> Dunkerdoodle (Red)
RED MAFIA -> Varsoon (Organge)
ORANGE MAFIA -> ELBIRN or
[blocked, possibly by Nero]

Elbirn WEAK BG -> Gamma (assumed)


N2
(see how watcher would be more useful n2 gamma)
Titus Non-Consec doc -> Brassherald
Gamma 1xDOCTOR -> Brassherald
Jodaxq 1xBG -> Brassherald
Kokichi neighborize -> Brassherald
A50 Taoism Spreader -> ?
[Blocked by resolutions]

Pidgey Catholic Spreader -> ?
[Blocked by resolutions]

Marshy Protestant Spreader -> ?
[Blocked by resolutions]


KILLS (2):
Shaziro 1xVIG -> Kokichi Oma (Green)
RED MAFIA -> ?? Nero or possibily Brassherald (unlikely, tons of freaking protective claim)
ORANGE MAFIA -> ?? Nero or possibily Brassherald (unlikely, tons of freaking protective claim)

N3

Titus Non-Consec doc -> No-One
Gamma 1x???
Jodaxq 1x???
A50 Taoism Spreader -> ? Unclaimed
Pidgey Catholic Spreader -> Klazam (again)
Marshy Protestant Spreader -> Chara

KILLS (1) :
RED MAFIA -> a50 ??
ORANGE MAFIA -> a50 ??

Does anyone have info that would contradict this post ? if yes please inform me because this is what i will base my reread on.

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:26 am
by Joey_
oups messaged that up, Marshy can ony be orange + green and jodaxq all 3

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:45 am
by Joey_
@MOD : What happened if someone tries to convert you when you are already aligned with another religion ? Assuming the attempt is made not the same night of the initial conversion and that the target is a not a religion spreader himself. Does the new religion overwrites the first one or is it just impossible to be converted more than once ?

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:46 am
by Joey_
I have a wild theory that klazoum is orange, got pagan by dunky and thus couldnt be converted to catholicism

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:47 am
by Joey_
Actually that doesnt work, hm

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:57 am
by Klazam
uh, im catholic, never got other conversions.

Also, conversions override other conversions.

And yeah-
In post 4681, Ranmaru wrote:Generally if you are vt, and are pushed to claim, it is better you don't claim in hopes that scum may think you are a PR. Yosarian has convinced me of that.
is exactly what i was doing. consider that my meta as a PR is to generally be in the same position that i was- being scumread but not exactly lynchworthy, i thought that i might as well play around with that.

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:58 am
by Klazam
wait what the fuck.

Pidgey targeted me N1? link me to that. Defintely didnt get anything N1

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:59 am
by Klazam
Yeah no, Pidgey converted brass, but was beat to it by A50

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:02 am
by brassherald
Pidgey said he targeted Nero night 1, I thought.

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:04 am
by Joey_
In post 4694, Klazam wrote:Yeah no, Pidgey converted brass, but was beat to it by A50
oh, yea i misremembered hard

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:04 am
by Klazam
ugh im going back to check, that's confusing

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:06 am
by brassherald
Klazam, when did you get converted?

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:19 am
by Klazam
N3.

Checked, and said that pidgey failed to convert nero
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