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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:32 am
by Datisi
/shrug, you're going purely votecounts. (1) dsjstr was already being suspected at the time, (2) scum!pooky's partner could help out in making sure dsjstr goes through, (3) saying "oh it's better for me to get lynched today" is not even close to a serious push for your own lynch and demanding it happens and (4) people are very unlikely to take calls for a self-lymch seriously anyway (putsideof purely mechanical reasons which wasn't the case here)
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:39 am
by skitter30
sorry i got distracted
i still haven't really read the last whatever pages, i shall valiantly try again
i'm leaning towards voting pooky here tho
idk who the partner is
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:41 am
by Datisi
In post 4676, skitter30 wrote:i still haven't really read the last whatever pages, i shall valiantly try again
pages 176-mid183? i think things were Not Shitfest there and i'd appreciate your Thoughts
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:45 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 4676, skitter30 wrote:sorry i got distracted
i still haven't really read the last whatever pages, i shall valiantly try again
i'm leaning towards voting pooky here tho
idk who the partner is
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12073338
you can start from there if you want to skip most of the bullshit back and forth between me/ss/dats
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:46 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
again if nobody makes sense as my partner - it's because I don't have a partner
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:55 am
by skitter30
can you summarize why pooky/you doesn't make sense? is it just that bugs lolvoted pooky for that e-1 vote way back when?
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:57 am
by skitter30
tbf, that's not the sort of gamestate where the e-1 took place in
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:59 am
by skitter30
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:02 am
by skitter30
In post 4456, Something_Smart wrote:I don't understand what this is supposed to prove? Koba and I share the same role PM. Koba's ISO is and always has been towny, and it will always continue to be.
in my valiant effort to reread salient parts of the game, i am getting kinda close to wanting to townbing dkoba
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:04 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
@Datisi
In post 4630, Raven Branwen wrote: In post 4612, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:like i really feel I don't deserve you this game, you've been so good to me and i've been so shit and useless and it just breaks my heart seeing that asshole dats do the same shit routine to you too
YOU NEED To STOP THIS NOW! Not cool bruh!
Does this look like an S/S interaction to you?
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:04 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
@Datisi does this look like scum-theater to you?
In post 4631, Raven Branwen wrote: In post 4630, Raven Branwen wrote: In post 4612, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:like i really feel I don't deserve you this game, you've been so good to me and i've been so shit and useless and it just breaks my heart seeing that asshole dats do the same shit routine to you too
YOU NEED To STOP THIS NOW! Not cool bruh!
You are gaslighting Dats and in a mean way. I refuse to be any kind of party to this. Dats is a great person, so is SS and I’m actually friends with tw, so don’t you dare talk about my friends that way. I won’t stand for it!
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:05 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
like I legit don't get how you came out of our cry session in the morning convinced that pooky/raven are definitely scum together.
i legit don't see how town-datisi makes that conclusion
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:07 am
by skitter30
In post 4461, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Now DSJ has flipped town - does SS do what he promised to do? Nope he just goes straight to scenario 1: Let's kill Pooky/Raven.(which is what he wanted to do if dsj flipped scum)
you're ignoring the changed circumstances (i.e. mark (which makes me conftown, makes tw mechanically likely town)), and how that affected ss's train of thought/pov. yes, he happened to arrive at the same conclusion, but he did the work to get there and explained why he thinks that
you're just kinda skipping over the 'did the work to explain why he came to the conclusion' bit
like the fact that he's taking tw out fo the pool for mechanical reasons explains a lot about his current conclusions
although, ss, can you just remind me why you're townbinning dats again?
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:09 am
by Datisi
i hate that that happened and it shouldn't hace happened but i'm not going to be awarding townreads (or scumreads!) because of it. it spiraled out of control fast but it was essentially things that weren't even game related.
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:12 am
by skitter30
In post 4493, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I literally told the town they should lynch me and here's three possible ways night could play out and who would be the scum in each scenario
can u just requote this bit plz?
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:16 am
by skitter30
In post 4514, Raven Branwen wrote:Raven wrote:I liked koba too initially but I was convinced that Ank was locktown in a game where she flipped scum
i don't know why this is, like, relevant to anything
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:16 am
by skitter30
In post 4519, Raven Branwen wrote:SS claim: Raven is pretty decent as scum.
Also SS claim: Scum!Raven is clearly a moron who is trying to set herself up to gamethrow. Which one is it SS? Am I decent at scum or am I a suicidal gamethrowing moron?
You can’t have it both ways.
not sure where either of these things are happening
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:16 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 3476, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: In post 3474, Raven Branwen wrote: In post 3473, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: In post 3464, Datisi wrote:deadass my biggest fear rn is us executing dsjstr, him flipping scum, pooky making up some arguments about "oh i was right on the game state dsj was actually scum" and y'all believe him and town ends up losing
pedit: skitt no this isn't the scum PT
im actually pretty worried dsj is town here
Then who is scum, then?
lets say i am lynched today.
assuming tw dies in the night and flips bg and someone else confirms skitter as FM tommorrow, then I think the scum would be SS/Raven in the endgame.
if tw doesnt die and skitter dies- I think there is a strong chance tw/SS are the scum.
if datisi dies and tw lives - I also think it would be tw/SS as scum but this is the hardest scenario imo.
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:17 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 4688, Datisi wrote:i hate that that happened and it shouldn't hace happened but i'm not going to be awarding townreads (or scumreads!) because of it. it spiraled out of control fast but it was essentially things that weren't even game related.
im not asking for townreads or scumreads. im asking you does that look likr scum theater or not?
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:18 am
by skitter30
right, sorry, that got requoted a few posts later, i should have just kept reading
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:20 am
by the worst
mooorning
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:20 am
by the worst
I'm not in a mood to read 9 pages if it's just circular again
did I miss anything?
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:21 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
she is continuing to respond to SS's "solve"
In post 4518, Raven Branwen wrote: In post 4484, Something_Smart wrote:You both are speaking essentially in unison today.
You are pulling whatever you can out of my ISO and assigning it scum motivation without actually analyzing it, and you're shooting down whatever I say and trying to gaslight me by suggesting that my arguments are insane. You're ignoring the evidence I have given of decision making and insisting that you actually know what I did or didn't think about. You both have expressed a token suspicion on the other but ultimately decided that I was the right one to kill.
This is not at all a cooperative mindset. This is adversarial. This method of twisting the facts could be confirmation bias-- but confirmation bias rarely manifests itself in such a sudden (neither of you were remotely tunneled on me before today) or coordinated (you both are doing this in exactly the same way at exactly the same time) manner.
Meanwhile I have basically sat here and taken it, trying to deflect and break down your arguments while engaging the people I trust and trying to get on the same page as them (and get them on the same page as each other). I haven't really presented any arguments of my own, because I don't necessarily think that what I can produce is more meaningful than what they can produce, and whatever case they make will certainly be more meaningful to them.
The bolded is why your solve is bullshit. In a world where you’re actually town here (doubt it), you figure that out. You are the one gaslighting here. You’re not right and you clearly dgaf and if you’re actually town, I’d really like to know why.
She says that his solve is the equivalent of calling her a terrible scum player
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:22 am
by skitter30
In post 4526, Raven Branwen wrote:It really sucks we might possibly lose this game either because of scum pushing a bad faith agenda or town not seeing how for like a gazillion reasons this makes absolutely no sense. @Sorry Aldus, Lillith, dsjstr I tried but this is literally like MBoS again.
if we're talking about the first one i literally won that game in lylo for you, remember?
(oh hey, another time where i was lol-conf-towned by scum in lylo)
actually why is this game even on your mind right now?
and what is your solve even? like i'm just seeing a lot of 'not pooky/raven! nobody's listening to my solve!' but i don't know what the solve, like, is
pedit no and i'm giving up reading this in a page or two
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:22 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 4696, the worst wrote:I'm not in a mood to read 9 pages if it's just circular again
did I miss anything?
out of tw/ss/dats
2 of you are scum
at this point I think SS is lock-scum but I'm not sure who the town player between Datisi/TW is
so if you're town you should re-read and try to come to your senses.
If you're scum then uh good job you're probly gonna win.