Gameshow Mafia (Reroll): Game Over

[BNL]

Vote Count 4.2.2

0verki11, Chemist1422, Clemency, Moongrass

(5): Time Devil, NanceFloor, themilkcartonkid, chennisden, 0verki11

Chemist1422, Clemency, Creature, Pink Ball

(2): RadiantCowbells, Titus

0verki11, chennisden, Time Devil, Titus

(1): Creature

0verki11, Chemist1422, chennisden, Time Devil

(1): MariaR

Chemist1422, chennisden, Clemency, Time Devil

(1): Moongrass

Not Voting (4): Pink Ball, Skygazer, Clemency, Chemist1422

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 to veto.

The deadline for vetoing is 23 May 11:00am UTC-4, or in (expired on 2019-05-23 11:00:00)

Mod notes:

[RadiantCowbells]

itt: tmck is once again voting with his scumreads and not questioning that fact.

[Skygazer]

i should probs like actually play this game at some point huh

[RadiantCowbells]

probs

[NanceFloor]

Veto

TD
Chenn
Chemist
Clem

I can’t see a world where Overkill11 is town. so pointless putting him into it.

Gun to head Clem and Chenn get NK’d over TD/Chemist.

I like throwing known scum in there bc

it can force a kill if we get 3 scum

This is why we never veto 4 coalition slots especially when the odds are, I was probably wrong on only one.

[RadiantCowbells]

if you want to hit 3 scum

you hit 3 scum by giving me executive control

[Moongrass]

oh ok very cool
Moongrass like explain that read in a way that doesnt sound OMGUSy because thats probably cool

I have explained my read progression it started out with TD v NF looking like SvT. Unfortunately it's always going to look like OMGUS because a lot of it has to do with how they are approaching their reads now.

Look at how they are conf biasing everyone's alignments based on how they read me, the riddiculous confidence they have on a MariaR, PB, and RC town read that is impossible to have uninformed with what content is in here. There is a difference between "I think x is town" and "I scumread you because how can you not see x is town" when the player in question is unconfirmed.

It's possible they are town in TD vs NF, but until I see some flips and if they keep approaching their reads like a bull in a china shop then I'm holding on to them both having scum equity.

[RadiantCowbells]

so yeah the quantitative data does confirm the vague idea i've had for a long time that conftown players just really fucking have it out for me whereas other people, like,

don't.

and i'm starting to understand why. I don't think it's even that i'm super amazing at towntelling. i never get scumread anonymously, sure, but that doesn't explain why always the conftown going after me. so it's something outside of skill.

i think the answer is that most people just really, in their hearts, want to policy lynch me most games but they refrain from doing so because they know it'll harm the game and probably end in their lynch anyway, that like it's not some sort of respect or liking me or even the strength of my play it's literally just fear of the reprisals

the problem is that tmck, and other noted conftowns including the masons that i mislynched d1 last year, think that I have nothing to threaten him back with.

[NanceFloor]

if you want to hit 3 scum

you hit 3 scum by giving me executive control

You’re currently voting 4 coalition members, two of which I think are town, especially PB. Especially if you’re convinced on Moon/Mbaki scum.

Voting 4 coalition members, probably nets us only one scum, with scum obviously killing the two towniest of the slots. In this case PB/Creature with Chemist/Clemency left being unsorted,

[Pink Ball]

0verki11, Chemist1422, Clemency.

What do they all have in common?

[RadiantCowbells]

and that sucks because it's not really the answer that i was hoping for.

funnily enough, i really wanted to believe that i've done something meaningful and i started out with scum play and only more recently moved to town play b/c it was unfulfilling
i knew that in 2015 a lot of my wins were essentially blood money through being so hostile that people didn't want to fight me but to what extent has that changed

i might be, like, less profane and predisposed to out of game threats but it's really same song different verse and whatever

i guess in the end the answer is that i don't think that i like mafia. maybe it would have been diff if i never pushed scum play the way i did.
but i've come full circle to this point too many times and realized that nothing's really changed

[RadiantCowbells]

i think that i was kept in the coalition so that tmck would have an excuse to push me later and he's reluctant to actually try to hunt scum in the coalition b/c as soon as scum flip in the coalition he doesn't have any real odds of getting a lynch through on me.

[NanceFloor]

oh ok very cool
Moongrass like explain that read in a way that doesnt sound OMGUSy because thats probably cool

I have explained my read progression it started out with TD v NF looking like SvT. Unfortunately it's always going to look like OMGUS because a lot of it has to do with how they are approaching their reads now.

Look at how they are conf biasing everyone's alignments based on how they read me, the riddiculous confidence they have on a MariaR, PB, and RC town read that is impossible to have uninformed with what content is in here. There is a difference between "I think x is town" and "I scumread you because how can you not see x is town" when the player in question is unconfirmed.

It's possible they are town in TD vs NF, but until I see some flips and if they keep approaching their reads like a bull in a china shop then I'm holding on to them both having scum equity.

There was no protown reason to veto Maria and then you have yet to provide those alleged “scummy” posts of hers to explain your reasoning but you obviously can’t since there’s nothing remotely scummy about her posting here.

[Moongrass]

and that sucks because it's not really the answer that i was hoping for.

funnily enough, i really wanted to believe that i've done something meaningful and i started out with scum play and only more recently moved to town play b/c it was unfulfilling
i knew that in 2015 a lot of my wins were essentially blood money through being so hostile that people didn't want to fight me but to what extent has that changed

i might be, like, less profane and predisposed to out of game threats but it's really same song different verse and whatever

i guess in the end the answer is that i don't think that i like mafia. maybe it would have been diff if i never pushed scum play the way i did.
but i've come full circle to this point too many times and realized that nothing's really changed

:/ <3

[NanceFloor]

0verki11, Chemist1422, Clemency.

What do they all have in common?

Not strong tr?

[Pink Ball]

0verki11, Chemist1422, Clemency.

What do they all have in common?

Not strong tr?

I mean in general, not in this particular game.

[RadiantCowbells]

i don't believe that tmck believes in what he's actually saying on the surface so there's got to be some kind of underlying reason and i think that reason is me.

[NanceFloor]

i think that i was kept in the coalition so that tmck would have an excuse to push me later and he's reluctant to actually try to hunt scum in the coalition b/c as soon as scum flip in the coalition he doesn't have any real odds of getting a lynch through on me.

Once we get a scum flip in the coalition, odds are good, the remaining scum aren’t in it. I had all of the slots in dark green except for two in light green. So vetoing the 2 light green slots makes the most sense.

[RadiantCowbells]

i think that chemist is town
and that clemency is probably not the only scum in the coalition

[RadiantCowbells]

that's me thinking that OK is town as well btw

[Moongrass]

There was no protown reason to veto Maria and then you have yet to provide those alleged “scummy” posts of hers to explain your reasoning but you obviously can’t since there’s nothing remotely scummy about her posting here.

You're a broken record with no brain. You keep yelling and now I get why. People are actually stupid enough to listen to you.

I explained why I veto'd her and you can go suck a duck if you think I have to justify anything to you. Do town progress on their reads, yes, do town have to act like town and justify everything they do, no. Am I the scummiest slot, no. None of your reasons are reasons I'm scum, just reasons that we don't see the game the same way. If you are town, in future don't bury someone you scumread because you could be wrong. If you really tunnel like this as town I'll avoid future games because you're playing like a starving blind man who's down to eat anything and that makes the game unfun as hell. All scum have to do is coast on your bad pushes.

[NanceFloor]

0verki11, Chemist1422, Clemency.

What do they all have in common?

Not strong tr?

I mean in general, not in this particular game.

That probably applies outside of this game. Prior to failed coalition, I had both Chemist and Clemency as town leans, or else I wouldn’t have wanted them in it. We know at least one scum in the failed coalition and if we put more than two in veto, scum just kills the towniest amongst them. So a you/Creature/Chemist/Clemency veto, assumes scum kills you and Creature over Chemist/Clemency. So if one scum in Chemist/Clemency, how does it help us, if scum kills you and Creature?

[RadiantCowbells]

regardless, UNVOTE:

i'll play once tmck is gone and if i die first tmck can enjoy playing the game without having to deal with spooky unreadable radiantcowbells

[Moongrass]

You can't AtE yourself out of playing the whole game RC, Why not use confirm on yourself?

[RadiantCowbells]

yes i can.