dwlee's entire scum case revolves around me switching over the course of one night from (null, null, scum) on (them, strange, Baltar) to (scum, scum, town) the next day
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:21 pm
by Menalque
(dwlee, pooky, misty/ceph/titus)?
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:22 pm
by Menalque
okay misty we need to have a real talk when ur back about if ur scum or limbait this game
players who have the most nominations will be bomb experts on n3.
Was thinking this was weird if my reads are accurate but it could just be that scum weren’t around and figured piling onto the Baltar wagon would look really bad if mala went through anyway/went through today
Are what made me worried. Okay, it wasn't quite what Menalque said here, but rather the vote count he was quoting that showed him voting VPB combined with now thinking that VPB was completely town all of a sudden. He also came into today with this to say:
Menalque wrote:my very brief thoughts are that Baltar probably needs to die today, and if scum flip then pooky definitely needs to die
Look through Menalque's ISO from this "baltar needs to die" to complaining about me and strange being experted, but not baltar, there is no progression in between there. Which is why I immediately unvoted and:
Does anyone think it'd be weird for strange to choose to blow up the bomb when she knows she is extremely likely to be the one accused for and limmed for it?
In post 4063, Menalque wrote:Yeah, I saw dwlee, I just don’t really feel like engaging on it atm
It would be helpful for me if you answered that
In the barest of bones— it was less related to finding VPB actively scummy and more to do with paranoia around him being defuser twice
But I just think he reads as town, and that goes with how I felt about him in the PT, and I realised it was at least partly ego — I didn’t want to be the one who called VPB town only for him to single handedly win for scum by defusing 4 times
But fuck it, if he’s scum, he’s played really well and he’s fooled me
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3.) Menalque's progression on VP reeks of scum angling to get us (Strange/me) mislimmed. I mean, he literally came into the day complaining that we were made experts after the bomb had exploded, when really if town he should be considering VP the most suspicious given his previous thoughts that Baltar needs to die. It seems to me like he pushed Baltar for the bus cred on Day 3, but on Day 4 he now had to follow the new plan of getting as many townies killed before Baltar's flip.
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:34 am
by Dwlee99
In post 4698, Bell wrote:Pooky said the scum team was trying to kill VP Baltar by adding him to the defusals repeatedly.
Now he’s just speaking the scum party line that he argued first.
This does give me paranoia that pooky is bussing a little bit but I have to read his ISO to review if he has reasons he townreads me now/scumreads VPB
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:41 am
by Dwlee99
Btw Datisi said it could be possible that there is a scum role that can blow up a bomb without being in the expert pt
I do not want to believe this because that would be fucking stupid
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:59 am
by Bell
Yes, yes it would be.
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:00 am
by Bell
It’s sad I have to say this, but that was not me being informed that this was in fact the case and I am not in fact scum.
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:02 am
by Dwlee99
VP flipped his read on me because I didn't understand how the words he saying made any sense in response to what I was saying. I've since gone through and shown how what he was saying wasn't even relevant to what I said in 4658, but then he just skipped that post and continued calling me scum
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:07 am
by Dwlee99
@Bell, here are some direct quotes from Mena that display what I'm talking about. These are linked in my wall but I think only the second one is quoted in full
if VPB is town, we can defuse 2 more times safely so we can block the mafia bomb kill twice.
if VPB is scum, we kinda can't afford to defuse anything
IF DWLEE DIE WE STILL DISCOVER VP ALIGNMENT?
Okay but just flip scum instead? Also if I flipped scum that actually wouldn't tell you VP's alignment
You maybe win against VP (and most likely will), but on next day you are toast.
I'm more likely to draw a night kill or a bomb on me than to be limmed
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:11 am
by VP Baltar
In post 4691, Bell wrote:I don’t think anyone made a mistake with the bomb and I think the scum team blew up the doc and this argument is terrible and remains terrible.
I've already demonstrated its not terrible though, based upon what we have seen with how the scum can mess with the bomb PTs.
Dwlee thinks the mod is a liar....which is actually silly. So we can lim dwlee then, but I'm telling you that fmpov, something weird is happening.