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Post Post #4725 (ISO) » Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:36 pm

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Sooooooooo my comp is officially dead so I won't be playing much at all. :(
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Post Post #4726 (ISO) » Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:29 pm

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Post Post #4727 (ISO) » Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:53 pm

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Post Post #4728 (ISO) » Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:06 pm

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IH wrote:For those that were saying that singed doesn't do damage or scale well with ap, his poison is on a .3... per tick. So that means in 5 ticks that is suddenly a 1.5 ratio instead of .3. Technically, since one application ticks three times, it's like a .9 but since there's really no cool down, then...

yeah. It's not a bad ratio for a dot.


His base damage ticks the same amount of time. Ratio's don't change, but you are right, 0.3 isn't susprisingly bad for an AoE (just compare to Karthus defile or Swain-ult, they are in the same range). And it's four ticks, I think. It used to be six before the nerf, one when you apply and 5 DoT. I think it's the same now.s

The problem with your reasoning is that the 0.9 you get only works if you hit the opponent once with your AoE, while you want to hit them continiously. The longer you hit them, the lower your calculated ratio becomes and the closer it gets to the 0.3 given.
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Post Post #4729 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:12 am

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Post Post #4730 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:34 am

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Post Post #4731 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:37 am

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Phreak just announced ESL is going to host weekly Dominion tournaments.


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Post Post #4732 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:16 am

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xRECKONERx wrote:Rune Page 1
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Pretty good setup for first two rune pages?


Ehhhhhh. AD and AP runes are bad. You'd be better off with Armor Pen Quints for the first set and Magic Pen Quints for the second set. Other than that, looks good.
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Post Post #4733 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:18 am

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Post Post #4734 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:19 am

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drmyshottyizsik wrote:Sooooo junlge Kat is fun.

Start cloth armour and 5 pots. Take shunpo and start blue for the cdr. Then take golems and a point in her w. Destroy wraiths and take their jungles golems. Recall buy that 435 ap thing and clear with one more time ending in red. Should be lvl 5 or 6 depending on your runes and masteries. Hopefully you are lvl six with red. B get hetrix revolver and clear one last time and then you will be for sure at least lvl 6 and have scarrrrrrry as fuck ganks with her ult. After first gank roam back and forth clearing jungle in between ganks. Take socerers shoes after revolver then take hetritch gunblade then an abysals septer. Sell cloth armour. Buy voided staff a second gun blade and a death cap in that order. You ap is amazingly high. Your magic pen is over the top you have a great amount of spell vamp and life steal plus your ad is high as well. Your ult can keep you alive while going 3v1 against a gangplank master yi and a wukong(thats who I 1v3`d then shunpo`d to the assisting annie for a quad. And about 30 seconds later found their alistar roaming jungle and shunpod exhausted and ulted him for an ace. The only thing you need to be ware of is cc. Her ult is easy stopped so wait until you see your enemy use their stun or knock up before ulting. Also always hit your w before shunpoing at a champion. Its why I take it second in jungle. The jungle creeps do way less damage when you w and then shunpo them too. 20 percent iirc.



Uh...what runes/masteries are you using for this? I just tried it in a practice game and I beefed up her HP by an extra 100 or so, and she couldn't even get the golem below 300 hp AFTER smite without dying.
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Post Post #4735 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:25 am

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Mastermind of Sin wrote:
xRECKONERx wrote:Rune Page 1
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Armor Yellow
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Flat Attack Damage Quints

Rune Page 2
Magic Pen Reds
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Pretty good setup for first two rune pages?


Ehhhhhh. AD and AP runes are bad. You'd be better off with Armor Pen Quints for the first set and Magic Pen Quints for the second set. Other than that, looks good.


AD runes can help your last hitting game a lot early game, and many AD characters have abilities that scale with bonus AD. Sure, ArPen will make your l1 autos hurt more, but on Pantheon, say, I'm much better serviced by AD quints for Spear Shot/HSS.

Whether you want AP or MagiPen quints depends on your ratios. I think AP is better for casters (especially ones who will build Deathcap), while Magic Pen are better for people with poor ratios who still do magic damage, like Mundo/Shen/Morde.
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Post Post #4736 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:32 am

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Not to mention, if those are the only rune pages I build for awhile, the first one with the AD Quints will help out with jungling at least a little bit, right?
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Post Post #4737 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:33 am

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Post Post #4738 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:34 am

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Ok, so I play Anivia mostly, and I'm *decent* with her. My problem is that I'm level 11, and when I play with Reck and others, they're higher level than myself, so I get murderated. But when I play alone and get matched with people my level, I realize just how badly they suck. Like running away from a team fight when I'm 1/2 health and they're all full health. Any ideas how to overcome this?
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Post Post #4739 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:35 am

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xRECKONERx wrote:Not to mention, if those are the only rune pages I build for awhile, the first one with the AD Quints will help out with jungling at least a little bit, right?


Actually, the "standard" jungle page is something like:

Aspd Reds
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But jungling isn't something to rush in to, imo. You need pretty solid gamestate analysis to jungle effectively.
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Post Post #4740 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:41 am

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Grimmjow wrote:Ok, so I play Anivia mostly, and I'm *decent* with her. My problem is that I'm level 11, and when I play with Reck and others, they're higher level than myself, so I get murderated. But when I play alone and get matched with people my level, I realize just how badly they suck. Like running away from a team fight when I'm 1/2 health and they're all full health. Any ideas how to overcome this?

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Post Post #4741 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:46 am

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xRECKONERx wrote:Not to mention, if those are the only rune pages I build for awhile, the first one with the AD Quints will help out with jungling at least a little bit, right?


Actually, the "standard" jungle page is something like:

Aspd Reds
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Aspd Quints

But jungling isn't something to rush in to, imo. You need pretty solid gamestate analysis to jungle effectively.

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Post Post #4742 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:26 am

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Also, no singed can use ap very well, but you get more damage from surviving instead of straight ap since you have to be in their face to use your ratio (or get chased). So once you stop getting hurt, build ap.

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Post Post #4743 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:08 am

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Mastermind of Sin wrote:
xRECKONERx wrote:Rune Page 1
Armor Pen Reds
Armor Yellow
Scaling MR Blue
Flat Attack Damage Quints

Rune Page 2
Magic Pen Reds
Scaling Mana Regen Yellow
Scaling Ability Power Quints
Movement Speed or Flat AP Quints (Or 2 Move, 1 Flat)

Pretty good setup for first two rune pages?


Ehhhhhh. AD and AP runes are bad. You'd be better off with Armor Pen Quints for the first set and Magic Pen Quints for the second set. Other than that, looks good.


Magic Pen Quints are a choice Reck. AP quints are known to be the best buy for their price, apparently. I've done a few quick calculations, which nobody is probably interested in, and even with a 0.6 ratio (which isn't too great for a caster), it's up to a base damage of 170 (for example, brand's w at lv 3) that without items AP quints still outperform Mpen quints.

So yeah, if you are getting runes for the early game, you should get AP quints. It's only at the point that you get your first big AP item, or your damage ability hits lv 4 that you'll need Mpen quints.
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Post Post #4744 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:17 am

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Well the thing is, it doesnt take long to hit level 4, you shouldn't really be going for kills prior to that anyway, if you get one it should be seen as a bonus. Pen over ad / ap runs imo.

On irelia i'm rocking:

Armour pen
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flat MR
Movement speed quints

tbf i think i use this on almost any champ, mainly because of lack of runes, but tbh the only thing i'd change for any champ is the quints to something more beneficial of each class , i prefer to have the defences for runes and use my masteries and gear for other stats gives me that little edge as a dps to survive a bit longer without buying too much protection, since i often go fairly glass cannon on carries.
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Post Post #4745 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:45 am

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Just played a game with Morthas and his friends, who all have very cute accents. We rocked house, even though I went 0/2/13 as Caitlyn. lolcaitsupport?

Then again, I was laning with a Nidalee, and we had a Gangplank, Xerath, and Morde on our team.
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Post Post #4746 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:49 am

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xRECKONERx wrote:Just played a game with Morthas and his friends, who all have very cute accents. We rocked house, even though I went 0/2/13 as Caitlyn. lolcaitsupport?

Then again, I was laning with a Nidalee, and we had a Gangplank, Xerath, and Morde on our team.


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Post Post #4747 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:10 am

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xRECKONERx wrote:Just played a game with Morthas and his friends, who all have very cute accents. We rocked house, even though I went 0/2/13 as Caitlyn. lolcaitsupport?

Then again, I was laning with a Nidalee, and we had a Gangplank, Xerath, and Morde on our team.


All of whom have massive burst damage... i'd have gone similar score on irelia, unless i got some quick E's in to kill steal.

After so many kills though those guys should leave the last hits.
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Post Post #4748 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:21 am

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SomeRandomGuy wrote:Well the thing is, it doesnt take long to hit level 4, you shouldn't really be going for kills prior to that anyway, if you get one it should be seen as a bonus. Pen over ad / ap runs imo.


Sorry, I wasn't completely clear with this. Lv 4 on your ability, which is probably lv7 champion. By then you want your first kill to have happened as a caster. If you think you need runes for the early game, AP is it.
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Post Post #4749 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:19 pm

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inHimshallibe wrote:Phreak just announced ESL is going to host weekly Dominion tournaments.


I would love to try it out.


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