Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)

[Secret Tunnel]

If people don’t understand exactly our might process/thinking that’s fine, but can anyone come up with a narrative for why we do this as scum? If people have done it just quote the posts and I’ll take a look

-innocentvillager

[zMuffinMan]

Muffin assume we’re town who is scum?

i mean that should be pretty obvious just from looking at what i just said rofl

[Secret Tunnel]

Maria, Bork, who’s the third if you had to guess. And does that team make sense

-innocentvillager

[morph the cat]

Maria, Bork, who’s the third if you had to guess. And does that team make sense

-innocentvillager

...Are you seriously just straight up not reading his posts?

[April Ludgate]

How is it not that high.

11 players left.

Fmpov at least, bulge and I are conf town.

I want to treat Morph and Bell as town because I read them that way, and I feel for good reason. There’s small chance of one of them being scum, if both of them are scum, that’s insane, and I’d be happy postgame that they pulled it off like that.

Maid is also like 100% town to me.

So that’s 5 slots of the 11 down.

6 people left, 3 of them are part of the scum team.

At the most basic level, it is exactly 50/50 for me.

Midwaybear, ST, 420, Plus, Remelia, Zmuffin

I don’t think Plus and Remelia are scum together, so that raises 420 even higher, tbh.

yeah no

rushing to end the day before ample time is given for asploding to happen is dumb

if asplosion no happen, im treating it like a fake claim probably

We can wait the 48 hours, but like I said, I feel like it blows up at the end of the day, and that they’ve already chosen.

I feel like they said stuff, but I guess I was just reading all the subtext closer, or people are actively trying to manipulate what they think is happening.

I feel ST and Zmuffin have some strong scum associative, so I guess I can see a ST, Zmuffin, 420 world, which is a world without 420/Plus.

@Morph - Try to see it from my perspective.

I town read you and Bell, and I have a clear on Bulge.

Midwaybear everyone I trust seems to trust, like Bell, maria, and SS.

This leaves:

Secret Tunnel
Zmuffin
Plus
Remelia
420

3 of these are more than likely to be the scum team. Right? Unless I'm wrong on you or Bell. I'd even be willing to put Midwaybear back into that 5 if you don't think that's a trustworthy enough read.

Regardless, that is over a 50% equity of finding the scum team.

Now, Zmuffin has been defending 420 for a while now.

Zmuffin has been discrediting both myself and Secret Tunnel.

Zmuffin was under scrutiny by myself and Plus yesterday, only to wiggle out of that.

Bell, I believe it was, mentioned Zmuffin as a puppet master scum, which I didn't understand at all until their discrediting attempts started to come in.

They actively avoided Alisae wagon even though the main part of Zmuffin vs April Day 1 was I was defending Alisae, and Zmuffin was going after them.

[zMuffinMan]

to reiterate, i havent read enough of the game to look at whether any given team makes sense. plusjoyed is still the most town of the people that aren't in my baseline

[Secret Tunnel]

I get a weird feeling about you muffin, idk. I really like your playstyle and the way you think about things, I think your input I would trust the most. But like I think you’re scum mostly from PoE, paranoia and weird vibe. I know these are weird thoughts but just wanna put it out there, I guess, that’s where I’m at with you

-innocentvillager

[April Ludgate]

Secret Tunnel - VT
Zmuffin - VT
Plus - ????
Remelia - Hammer role
420 - double docced

One of the VT's is scum, one of the PR's is scum, probably with Plus.

Zmuffin, Plus, 420.

Whaddya know.

[April Ludgate]

Secret Tunnel - VT
Zmuffin - VT
Plus - ????
Remelia - Hammer role
420 - double docced

One of the VT's is scum, one of the PR's is scum, probably with Plus.

Zmuffin, Plus, 420.

Whaddya know.

[Secret Tunnel]

Do people have more questions about what NS and I thought during the night? Muffin you mentioned what we did didn’t make sense. Ask away. I feel like the thoughts were weird enough that we should get at least a townlean for them being weird specific and plausible. But maybe not

-innocentvillager

[morph the cat]

Just some notes, not a case on Zmuffin

Spoiler:

Just putting the names together for later on a high analysis possibility post.

Alisae, Zmuffin, Midwaybear. Interesting.

Zmuffin was the person I was defending Alisae to earlier, keep that in mind. They have chosen not to join the Alisae wagon.

Despite that not being in their touch line.

Zmuffin and Midwaybear also fill where I think scum is on a POE pool.

That’s interesting.

getting zmuffin to vote is like the hard mode, if getting ffery playing outside of hydra to vote is easy mode.

If that’s a general Zmuffin trait, then I definitely can see it being abused as scum.

Bell’s probably dying tonight. I say this because I believe they are the most likely to and me saying this can hopefully persuade scum to go elsewhere, like me.

do you reads normally suck that bad?

No, I usually am pretty close to solve territory.

Look at how Plus, ST, Zmuffin are posting about each other right now too.

They’re carefully distancing from each other.

I’m not even the highest poster.

So Secret Tunnel, one of Plus/Remelia, one of Zmuffin/420.

I will trust Maid and Bell’s read on Midwaybear.

Morph, Bell, Bulge
Remelia, Midwaybear
Zmuffin, Secret Tunnel
PlusJoyed, 420

So this is why I’m here.

Ffery has town spewed nicely. Bell is playing extremely solid if they are scum, and them bringing up puppet master scum if they are the puppet master scum, and maybe that is what’s happening, but honestly, they played me correctly if that is the case, so that’s town for me. I mentioned The Bulge.

ST’s proposed team of April/Bulge/Plus becomes extremely odd for me now, because if Plus is town, they put all 3 townies in their proposed list, which means if ST is town, they put extremely poor reads. If ST is scum, they put at least 2 townies. Are they the type as scum to have 3 townies in their list? That seems weird, and a lot of scum place their partners in that situation.

ST also noticed that I placed Bulge higher in my town reads, almost under the radar, even thought i stated I town read them yesterday, so I noticed that he noticed me read become more solidified. I feel that was a scum awareness type of thing.

Now, Zmuffin also called my reads bad not too long ago, if Zmuffin is scum, and ST is scum, then that makes sense why Zmuffin tried to discredit me.

ST is also constantly asking people about Zmuffin and why they are town.

Associatives.

Not impressed.

Let me show you a muffin case.

Spoiler: spayhead in another game

This is where I explain the narrative that has been running through my mind for the last couple of days.

As the game stands, we have an artificial townbloc (No duh, I know. Bear with me). We argue and pursue things in the game thread, but unless Assassin is leading the charge, it's kinda low-pressure. If he does point in a particular direction then it's rabid dogs all up in here. We do have some players who are also focal points in shaping direction, to a degree.

There's Berserker, who strongly disagrees with the scumread on deck at times, comes in, and makes at least one serious wall post about why they're town and it's a terrible player to elim, and then goes away apparently with the assumption that her will is going to be done. I think she's probably reading here, and it bugs me that she never responds to posts reaching out to her, e.g., Avenger signing their vote over to her (with some exceptions), and me asking her about her beast read more than once. I'm not scumreading her for this, but I do see some scum value to playing that way.

We have Avenger, who has at least some reads that diverge from Assassin (for instance on Rider and me), and who jauntily carries a first lieutenant's swagger stick. He's probably going to be a major factor in where things go at some point.

There's Foreigner 2.0 who by nature of inheriting a universally townread slot that was somewhat ineffective in setting direction - e.g., in terms of swaying where the master buff went. New-Foreigner could become another nexus in future-town, but right now they're really not contributing much.

And we have Moon Cancer, who still keeps many of their thoughts obscured. When they disagree with something, it often feels like they think the person who has the stance or makes the statement they disagree with is displaying incompetence, shallow thinking, etc.

There's also me, but I don't count myself, not only because I know my alignment, but also because while I'm fairly well townread afaik, some of you could be holding scumreads in your hip pocket :igmeoy: But, even if I'm right about being a close-enough-to-consensus townread, I haven't been a strong influence on the game since Day 1 started. It would take a lot of effort to get back to that level, and it's effort I don't have and probably don't need.

Rider and maybe Caster could also step up later in the game if a vacuum need filled.

If we were a town trying to come together right now so that we could get shit done, Moon Cancer's play could be a lot more harmful to that happening, or it could help us get going in a better direction if they're right. As well as the disagreements that sometimes put downs, there's some discrediting as well.

And then there's the attitude. Maybe Moon Cancer saw the inevitability that an IC in this game, unless by nature a consensus player, was going to delay the onset of natural town cohesion and is sort of sitting things out while that phase of the game works itself out. (I don't think what we needed for the ic role was a consensus player btw. If I had, I'd have made a run at the buff, myself)

Me being a consensus player, though, leads to sometimes noticing and focusing on people who do stuff that messes with town cohesion. It's not the disagreeing reads. Not at all. We could have identical reads, and I would still be focusing on the effect on cohesion.

At some point, town is going to have to actually work at getting to cohesiveness.

The thing is, I have seen Moon Cancer's kind of play from players who are great at gamesolving and actually have the degree of charisma to round up the town stragglers and get the votes where the player wants them.

And I have seen this kind of play (in many cases, from the same players) who use it to keep town off balance and off the trail, usually until it's too late, by subtly encouraging the bad ideas, doing little bits here and there to encourage small disagreements to turn into full-blown deadlocks, and help keep the game full of noise even if they're not directly contributing to the bulk of the noise.


In this town, with an artificially formed cohesion, I can't tell for sure which they're doing (or if I'm imagining some of it) or what the ultimate effect will be.

So this is me sharing my nightmare, on the off chance I'm not here on Day 3. Look at the dynamics of this town's transition into something more normal, when that eventually happens.

Long may Assassin Reign!

Some sample posts. Not every post that fits or nearly fits the patterns, just some examples that I think are illustrative of what I mean. Some of this is probably way too harsh and uncharitable.

425 - roundabout fuck off. I townread this when I saw it

432 - elim strategy. This looks like town mindset and would actually make the game harder for scum if we wind up at the end with no good elim-bait candidates. Would also make it harder for town, though, who would have to contend with rising paranoia about who's left. Hypothetical scum-MC wouldn't stand out as much in a game where other strong and consensus townread players are still alive. It's the dual utility that stands out.

493 - Rider read has been very persistent. I just simply don't like this. A player of MC's apparent caliber should't be making this mistake. This feels like a go-long miselim. THIS IS MY PET ISSUE DEALWITHIT

594, 595, 596 beast discredits

497 - another possible go-long miselim? I don't think this read has been as persistent

644 more evidence of read longevity on 2 players who could go long

764 Berserker discredit

867 Shielder discredit

882 Reaction to Caster, sort of a Nyah

897 was a decent precursor to how they've played the game. especially the "giving control" part

981 example of going after players to make them commit to reads. another utility as both aligments

1343 - this is a huge undermining of shielder town case. They spent a ton of posts tearing down Berserker's case, but then don't want to talk to shielder. They leave all this observation of scummy things but don't engage the player, and in fact shuts them down. It was like there was no desire at all to test or further develop the read.

1346 Another "I think the opposite of you" on Caster

1395 - An "I don't care" regarding Avenger getting a read. This is interesting in that Avenger is sort of first lieutenant in the game these two day phases.

1398, 1401 - dips into discredit territory to me.

1410, 1412 - more shutting Avenger out (or something)

1417 - discredit

1422 - Compare to level of cooperation with Assassin

1426 - direct engagement with Archer, compared to shutting down shielder.

1510 More cooperation with Assassin and a huge difference in tone, even in interactions with other supposed townreads

1560 This post to Rider is the most forthcoming of posts to their scumreads that I've seen to this point in the game. Could the difference be based on the relative ease/difficulty of eliming different players here?

Tearing apart bad arguments, even on your scumreads is arguably a good thing to do. There's just so damn much of it that goes on in Moon Caster's interactions.

I feel like I'm at least in part picking at a playstyle. The patterns have certainly been consistent in this game. I feel bad, in some ways, that I've latched onto a player that fits my scum-mastermind narrative so well.

This is not meant to derail or in any way affect what we do on Day 2. It's a sort of last will and testament - I want this idea in the mix going forward, whether I've found a real candidate for the villian or not. I'm posting it now in the event I'm not here to carry it, myself when The Lostbelt town needs to come together and be a functional town.

muffin was town, and I thought he was town. But if we had elimed through the POE and not struck scum, this is where I would have wanted town to take a good look for the mastermind. I had to build out my meta case without citing meta, which was fun, and required a lot more words than I usually put in a post.

[Secret Tunnel]

Like I honestly don’t think I could replicate the amount of hydra engagement, back and forth, etc whatever as scum. I’m literally ass at scum and I’ve never hydrad before and I can tell it’s like completely different which is why I think I would have so much trouble replicating this as scum personally

-innocentvillager

[April Ludgate]

Just some notes, not a case on Zmuffin

Spoiler:

Just putting the names together for later on a high analysis possibility post.

Alisae, Zmuffin, Midwaybear. Interesting.

Zmuffin was the person I was defending Alisae to earlier, keep that in mind. They have chosen not to join the Alisae wagon.

Despite that not being in their touch line.

Zmuffin and Midwaybear also fill where I think scum is on a POE pool.

That’s interesting.

getting zmuffin to vote is like the hard mode, if getting ffery playing outside of hydra to vote is easy mode.

If that’s a general Zmuffin trait, then I definitely can see it being abused as scum.

Bell’s probably dying tonight. I say this because I believe they are the most likely to and me saying this can hopefully persuade scum to go elsewhere, like me.

do you reads normally suck that bad?

No, I usually am pretty close to solve territory.

Look at how Plus, ST, Zmuffin are posting about each other right now too.

They’re carefully distancing from each other.

I’m not even the highest poster.

So Secret Tunnel, one of Plus/Remelia, one of Zmuffin/420.

I will trust Maid and Bell’s read on Midwaybear.

Morph, Bell, Bulge
Remelia, Midwaybear
Zmuffin, Secret Tunnel
PlusJoyed, 420

So this is why I’m here.

Ffery has town spewed nicely. Bell is playing extremely solid if they are scum, and them bringing up puppet master scum if they are the puppet master scum, and maybe that is what’s happening, but honestly, they played me correctly if that is the case, so that’s town for me. I mentioned The Bulge.

ST’s proposed team of April/Bulge/Plus becomes extremely odd for me now, because if Plus is town, they put all 3 townies in their proposed list, which means if ST is town, they put extremely poor reads. If ST is scum, they put at least 2 townies. Are they the type as scum to have 3 townies in their list? That seems weird, and a lot of scum place their partners in that situation.

ST also noticed that I placed Bulge higher in my town reads, almost under the radar, even thought i stated I town read them yesterday, so I noticed that he noticed me read become more solidified. I feel that was a scum awareness type of thing.

Now, Zmuffin also called my reads bad not too long ago, if Zmuffin is scum, and ST is scum, then that makes sense why Zmuffin tried to discredit me.

ST is also constantly asking people about Zmuffin and why they are town.

Associatives.

Not impressed.

Let me show you a muffin case.

Spoiler: spayhead in another game

This is where I explain the narrative that has been running through my mind for the last couple of days.

As the game stands, we have an artificial townbloc (No duh, I know. Bear with me). We argue and pursue things in the game thread, but unless Assassin is leading the charge, it's kinda low-pressure. If he does point in a particular direction then it's rabid dogs all up in here. We do have some players who are also focal points in shaping direction, to a degree.

There's Berserker, who strongly disagrees with the scumread on deck at times, comes in, and makes at least one serious wall post about why they're town and it's a terrible player to elim, and then goes away apparently with the assumption that her will is going to be done. I think she's probably reading here, and it bugs me that she never responds to posts reaching out to her, e.g., Avenger signing their vote over to her (with some exceptions), and me asking her about her beast read more than once. I'm not scumreading her for this, but I do see some scum value to playing that way.

We have Avenger, who has at least some reads that diverge from Assassin (for instance on Rider and me), and who jauntily carries a first lieutenant's swagger stick. He's probably going to be a major factor in where things go at some point.

There's Foreigner 2.0 who by nature of inheriting a universally townread slot that was somewhat ineffective in setting direction - e.g., in terms of swaying where the master buff went. New-Foreigner could become another nexus in future-town, but right now they're really not contributing much.

And we have Moon Cancer, who still keeps many of their thoughts obscured. When they disagree with something, it often feels like they think the person who has the stance or makes the statement they disagree with is displaying incompetence, shallow thinking, etc.

There's also me, but I don't count myself, not only because I know my alignment, but also because while I'm fairly well townread afaik, some of you could be holding scumreads in your hip pocket :igmeoy: But, even if I'm right about being a close-enough-to-consensus townread, I haven't been a strong influence on the game since Day 1 started. It would take a lot of effort to get back to that level, and it's effort I don't have and probably don't need.

Rider and maybe Caster could also step up later in the game if a vacuum need filled.

If we were a town trying to come together right now so that we could get shit done, Moon Cancer's play could be a lot more harmful to that happening, or it could help us get going in a better direction if they're right. As well as the disagreements that sometimes put downs, there's some discrediting as well.

And then there's the attitude. Maybe Moon Cancer saw the inevitability that an IC in this game, unless by nature a consensus player, was going to delay the onset of natural town cohesion and is sort of sitting things out while that phase of the game works itself out. (I don't think what we needed for the ic role was a consensus player btw. If I had, I'd have made a run at the buff, myself)

Me being a consensus player, though, leads to sometimes noticing and focusing on people who do stuff that messes with town cohesion. It's not the disagreeing reads. Not at all. We could have identical reads, and I would still be focusing on the effect on cohesion.

At some point, town is going to have to actually work at getting to cohesiveness.

The thing is, I have seen Moon Cancer's kind of play from players who are great at gamesolving and actually have the degree of charisma to round up the town stragglers and get the votes where the player wants them.

And I have seen this kind of play (in many cases, from the same players) who use it to keep town off balance and off the trail, usually until it's too late, by subtly encouraging the bad ideas, doing little bits here and there to encourage small disagreements to turn into full-blown deadlocks, and help keep the game full of noise even if they're not directly contributing to the bulk of the noise.


In this town, with an artificially formed cohesion, I can't tell for sure which they're doing (or if I'm imagining some of it) or what the ultimate effect will be.

So this is me sharing my nightmare, on the off chance I'm not here on Day 3. Look at the dynamics of this town's transition into something more normal, when that eventually happens.

Long may Assassin Reign!

Some sample posts. Not every post that fits or nearly fits the patterns, just some examples that I think are illustrative of what I mean. Some of this is probably way too harsh and uncharitable.

425 - roundabout fuck off. I townread this when I saw it

432 - elim strategy. This looks like town mindset and would actually make the game harder for scum if we wind up at the end with no good elim-bait candidates. Would also make it harder for town, though, who would have to contend with rising paranoia about who's left. Hypothetical scum-MC wouldn't stand out as much in a game where other strong and consensus townread players are still alive. It's the dual utility that stands out.

493 - Rider read has been very persistent. I just simply don't like this. A player of MC's apparent caliber should't be making this mistake. This feels like a go-long miselim. THIS IS MY PET ISSUE DEALWITHIT

594, 595, 596 beast discredits

497 - another possible go-long miselim? I don't think this read has been as persistent

644 more evidence of read longevity on 2 players who could go long

764 Berserker discredit

867 Shielder discredit

882 Reaction to Caster, sort of a Nyah

897 was a decent precursor to how they've played the game. especially the "giving control" part

981 example of going after players to make them commit to reads. another utility as both aligments

1343 - this is a huge undermining of shielder town case. They spent a ton of posts tearing down Berserker's case, but then don't want to talk to shielder. They leave all this observation of scummy things but don't engage the player, and in fact shuts them down. It was like there was no desire at all to test or further develop the read.

1346 Another "I think the opposite of you" on Caster

1395 - An "I don't care" regarding Avenger getting a read. This is interesting in that Avenger is sort of first lieutenant in the game these two day phases.

1398, 1401 - dips into discredit territory to me.

1410, 1412 - more shutting Avenger out (or something)

1417 - discredit

1422 - Compare to level of cooperation with Assassin

1426 - direct engagement with Archer, compared to shutting down shielder.

1510 More cooperation with Assassin and a huge difference in tone, even in interactions with other supposed townreads

1560 This post to Rider is the most forthcoming of posts to their scumreads that I've seen to this point in the game. Could the difference be based on the relative ease/difficulty of eliming different players here?

Tearing apart bad arguments, even on your scumreads is arguably a good thing to do. There's just so damn much of it that goes on in Moon Caster's interactions.

I feel like I'm at least in part picking at a playstyle. The patterns have certainly been consistent in this game. I feel bad, in some ways, that I've latched onto a player that fits my scum-mastermind narrative so well.

This is not meant to derail or in any way affect what we do on Day 2. It's a sort of last will and testament - I want this idea in the mix going forward, whether I've found a real candidate for the villian or not. I'm posting it now in the event I'm not here to carry it, myself when The Lostbelt town needs to come together and be a functional town.

muffin was town, and I thought he was town. But if we had elimed through the POE and not struck scum, this is where I would have wanted town to take a good look for the mastermind. I had to build out my meta case without citing meta, which was fun, and required a lot more words than I usually put in a post.

I literally said it wasn't a case

[April Ludgate]

@Morph - For you to accept Zmuffin as town, you have to be okay picking them as 1 of 2 town from this list:

Secret Tunnel
Zmuffin
Plus
Remelia
420

[morph the cat]

on the condition that if it happens, every single player in the game ignores EVERYTHING april says for the rest of the time that april is alive, and any time april calls someone scum you treat them like an innocent child

Sort of like a fuzzylogic pact.

[April Ludgate]

Which means, with you not thinking 420 is scum, ST, Plus, Remelia should be your team.

I get it, I get it, you dont have to trust me thus far, that's fine. But you choosing that option means you're just dead wrong, and it's gonna bounce back to that team.

Unless you are scum, of course.

[April Ludgate]

on the condition that if it happens, every single player in the game ignores EVERYTHING april says for the rest of the time that april is alive, and any time april calls someone scum you treat them like an innocent child

Sort of like a fuzzylogic pact.

I mean, you guys can try, but more than likely, it'll just piss me off.

[April Ludgate]

I've claimed now, I don't give a damn about playing erratically. If scum Night kill me, that's a win.

And if 420 is town, they obviously targeted me last night.

[morph the cat]

Just some notes, not a case on Zmuffin

Spoiler:

Just putting the names together for later on a high analysis possibility post.

Alisae, Zmuffin, Midwaybear. Interesting.

Zmuffin was the person I was defending Alisae to earlier, keep that in mind. They have chosen not to join the Alisae wagon.

Despite that not being in their touch line.

Zmuffin and Midwaybear also fill where I think scum is on a POE pool.

That’s interesting.

getting zmuffin to vote is like the hard mode, if getting ffery playing outside of hydra to vote is easy mode.

If that’s a general Zmuffin trait, then I definitely can see it being abused as scum.

Bell’s probably dying tonight. I say this because I believe they are the most likely to and me saying this can hopefully persuade scum to go elsewhere, like me.

do you reads normally suck that bad?

No, I usually am pretty close to solve territory.

Look at how Plus, ST, Zmuffin are posting about each other right now too.

They’re carefully distancing from each other.

I’m not even the highest poster.

So Secret Tunnel, one of Plus/Remelia, one of Zmuffin/420.

I will trust Maid and Bell’s read on Midwaybear.

Morph, Bell, Bulge
Remelia, Midwaybear
Zmuffin, Secret Tunnel
PlusJoyed, 420

So this is why I’m here.

Ffery has town spewed nicely. Bell is playing extremely solid if they are scum, and them bringing up puppet master scum if they are the puppet master scum, and maybe that is what’s happening, but honestly, they played me correctly if that is the case, so that’s town for me. I mentioned The Bulge.

ST’s proposed team of April/Bulge/Plus becomes extremely odd for me now, because if Plus is town, they put all 3 townies in their proposed list, which means if ST is town, they put extremely poor reads. If ST is scum, they put at least 2 townies. Are they the type as scum to have 3 townies in their list? That seems weird, and a lot of scum place their partners in that situation.

ST also noticed that I placed Bulge higher in my town reads, almost under the radar, even thought i stated I town read them yesterday, so I noticed that he noticed me read become more solidified. I feel that was a scum awareness type of thing.

Now, Zmuffin also called my reads bad not too long ago, if Zmuffin is scum, and ST is scum, then that makes sense why Zmuffin tried to discredit me.

ST is also constantly asking people about Zmuffin and why they are town.

Associatives.

You realise this is pretty much the same kind of stuff you sewed together to case us as Alisae's scum partner on day 1?

[April Ludgate]

@Morph - For you to accept Zmuffin as town, you have to be okay picking them as 1 of 2 town from this list:

Secret Tunnel
Zmuffin
Plus
Remelia
420

I'm starting to think ST is town, and Zmuffin's turn happened at an interesting time.

Methinks there's a possibility of Zmuffin-Morph, but that could just be I think Morph's dropped the ball in stuff this day phase, hopefully gets better after Plus claims.

[April Ludgate]

Just some notes, not a case on Zmuffin

Spoiler:

Just putting the names together for later on a high analysis possibility post.

Alisae, Zmuffin, Midwaybear. Interesting.

Zmuffin was the person I was defending Alisae to earlier, keep that in mind. They have chosen not to join the Alisae wagon.

Despite that not being in their touch line.

Zmuffin and Midwaybear also fill where I think scum is on a POE pool.

That’s interesting.

getting zmuffin to vote is like the hard mode, if getting ffery playing outside of hydra to vote is easy mode.

If that’s a general Zmuffin trait, then I definitely can see it being abused as scum.

Bell’s probably dying tonight. I say this because I believe they are the most likely to and me saying this can hopefully persuade scum to go elsewhere, like me.

do you reads normally suck that bad?

No, I usually am pretty close to solve territory.

Look at how Plus, ST, Zmuffin are posting about each other right now too.

They’re carefully distancing from each other.

I’m not even the highest poster.

So Secret Tunnel, one of Plus/Remelia, one of Zmuffin/420.

I will trust Maid and Bell’s read on Midwaybear.

Morph, Bell, Bulge
Remelia, Midwaybear
Zmuffin, Secret Tunnel
PlusJoyed, 420

So this is why I’m here.

Ffery has town spewed nicely. Bell is playing extremely solid if they are scum, and them bringing up puppet master scum if they are the puppet master scum, and maybe that is what’s happening, but honestly, they played me correctly if that is the case, so that’s town for me. I mentioned The Bulge.

ST’s proposed team of April/Bulge/Plus becomes extremely odd for me now, because if Plus is town, they put all 3 townies in their proposed list, which means if ST is town, they put extremely poor reads. If ST is scum, they put at least 2 townies. Are they the type as scum to have 3 townies in their list? That seems weird, and a lot of scum place their partners in that situation.

ST also noticed that I placed Bulge higher in my town reads, almost under the radar, even thought i stated I town read them yesterday, so I noticed that he noticed me read become more solidified. I feel that was a scum awareness type of thing.

Now, Zmuffin also called my reads bad not too long ago, if Zmuffin is scum, and ST is scum, then that makes sense why Zmuffin tried to discredit me.

ST is also constantly asking people about Zmuffin and why they are town.

Associatives.

You realise this is pretty much the same kind of stuff you sewed together to case us as Alisae's scum partner on day 1?

Sure, but I have 4 of the 13 townies of this game confirmed to me now, with solid reads on Bell, you, and Midwaybear.

What are your reads on Bell and Midwaybear?

[April Ludgate]

Just some notes, not a case on Zmuffin

Spoiler:

Just putting the names together for later on a high analysis possibility post.

Alisae, Zmuffin, Midwaybear. Interesting.

Zmuffin was the person I was defending Alisae to earlier, keep that in mind. They have chosen not to join the Alisae wagon.

Despite that not being in their touch line.

Zmuffin and Midwaybear also fill where I think scum is on a POE pool.

That’s interesting.

getting zmuffin to vote is like the hard mode, if getting ffery playing outside of hydra to vote is easy mode.

If that’s a general Zmuffin trait, then I definitely can see it being abused as scum.

Bell’s probably dying tonight. I say this because I believe they are the most likely to and me saying this can hopefully persuade scum to go elsewhere, like me.

do you reads normally suck that bad?

No, I usually am pretty close to solve territory.

Look at how Plus, ST, Zmuffin are posting about each other right now too.

They’re carefully distancing from each other.

I’m not even the highest poster.

So Secret Tunnel, one of Plus/Remelia, one of Zmuffin/420.

I will trust Maid and Bell’s read on Midwaybear.

Morph, Bell, Bulge
Remelia, Midwaybear
Zmuffin, Secret Tunnel
PlusJoyed, 420

So this is why I’m here.

Ffery has town spewed nicely. Bell is playing extremely solid if they are scum, and them bringing up puppet master scum if they are the puppet master scum, and maybe that is what’s happening, but honestly, they played me correctly if that is the case, so that’s town for me. I mentioned The Bulge.

ST’s proposed team of April/Bulge/Plus becomes extremely odd for me now, because if Plus is town, they put all 3 townies in their proposed list, which means if ST is town, they put extremely poor reads. If ST is scum, they put at least 2 townies. Are they the type as scum to have 3 townies in their list? That seems weird, and a lot of scum place their partners in that situation.

ST also noticed that I placed Bulge higher in my town reads, almost under the radar, even thought i stated I town read them yesterday, so I noticed that he noticed me read become more solidified. I feel that was a scum awareness type of thing.

Now, Zmuffin also called my reads bad not too long ago, if Zmuffin is scum, and ST is scum, then that makes sense why Zmuffin tried to discredit me.

ST is also constantly asking people about Zmuffin and why they are town.

Associatives.

You realise this is pretty much the same kind of stuff you sewed together to case us as Alisae's scum partner on day 1?

At the same time, casing people is one of my strengths as scum.

If it's not a good case, then that's obv town me.

[zMuffinMan]

i think mariaboy is scum. i think what you did at day start was probably planned overnight

i think if you guys really thought them being 'silenced' today was to set up us the bomb, then what noddy said recently about bork's role makes zero sense. at least i see no indication until then that you guys had stopped thinking that it was part of mariaboy's role to voluntarily exit the game so noddy's sudden "oh bork's role makes so much sense given scum silencer" is off base. and you guys were rather quick to come to the conclusion at day start that it was part of mariaboy's role - like, super-quick given circumstances. you saw what was written, thought it meant they were gonna asplode all over you, then discussed the game enough to think you needed to put out a wall of reads pretty quickly lest you be asploded, even though you also acknowledged your wall probably didn't matter and that you weren't all that invested in the game anyway

and i don't believe you guys were as panicked about dying as you were trying to make out

and probably other stuff that irked me that i cant remember atm because busy

trying to make it look like im

working

that's why i said what i said about your play today

[April Ludgate]

Like, literally, one of my issues I have now when i play scum, is I am much too consistent. I won Overkill 2, 26 player kill heavy game, as SK because of my next level consistency and fast thinking claim responses.

So it makes sense why town me likes to elicit different reactions and scenarios as scum, no?

[April Ludgate]

i think mariaboy is scum. i think what you did at day start was probably planned overnight

i think if you guys really thought them being 'silenced' today was to set up us the bomb, then what noddy said recently about bork's role makes zero sense. at least i see no indication until then that you guys had stopped thinking that it was part of mariaboy's role to voluntarily exit the game so noddy's sudden "oh bork's role makes so much sense given scum silencer" is off base. and you guys were rather quick to come to the conclusion at day start that it was part of mariaboy's role - like, super-quick given circumstances. you saw what was written, thought it meant they were gonna asplode all over you, then discussed the game enough to think you needed to put out a wall of reads pretty quickly lest you be asploded, even though you also acknowledged your wall probably didn't matter and that you weren't all that invested in the game anyway

and i don't believe you guys were as panicked about dying as you were trying to make out

and probably other stuff that irked me that i cant remember atm because busy

trying to make it look like im

working

that's why i said what i said about your play today

This line of thinking is what saves you from being a full on 100% no other possibilites scum.