Nancy thinks that someone being suspicious of her slot is equvelant to someone believing in QAnon Conspiracy theories, which is something that I think is pretty offensive ngl.
Math thinks calling someone’s takes batshit insane is also offensive, so I’m down for inoffensive alternatives to make that same point?
"This doesn't make any sense"
Or, if you want to imply scum intent
"I don't think they actually believe this"
Or maybe “This is so ridiculous it would be easier to sell a bridge to cross a river in a desert”
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 2:56 pm
by JohnnyFarrar
Big no on Dweelee, Roden.
Dunn feels like a shark out for blood right now. Do we feel like he has an agenda? Is that why we're voting him?
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 2:57 pm
by Cytosine and Guanine
In post 4687, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:But I asked for the hood reads last night, have they just not logged in, or do they not want to share >_< Sorry I'm super behind and catching up in two directions are once
I want.
-Guanine
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 2:58 pm
by ProfessorDrapion
In post 4670, Off The Hook wrote:ftr I don't see why a hydra would be a likely nightkill
don't think I've ever gotten NKed as a hydra
~GE
How is this a real thought?
You said this so generic like.
It means your also saying that the two best mafia players in the world also apply here regarding Hydra.
And it’s like, not true.
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 2:58 pm
by MathBlade
G’s been having trouble with getting scumreads so I was talking with them. Give me a bit to paraphrase their TRs.
In post 4134, Lukewarm wrote:I am of the opinion that Bernard should claim if he exists.
If no one claims masons with Roden, we kill Roden.
If someone does, we kill Dunn
VOTE: dunn
Porque
Yo necessito enlaces
Lots of quotes
Spoiler:
In post 4020, Dunnstral wrote:I think that a second mason should step forward or Roden should die.
I am willing to discuss this before leaping to action.
In post 4032, Lukewarm wrote:I am also starting to lean towards it being the right call for bernard to claim.
But, want to think on it more before committing to pushing that agenda.
Roden, what are your thoughts on whether Bernard should claim today, and if you think he doesn't what do you think about the no-flip messiness or how to avoid it
In post 4033, Lukewarm wrote:I actually think that most other people should not comment on this anymore, until after Roden does.
Every person commenting on it so far is kind of claiming Not Bernard.
Cephrir
The toad
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
TBD
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Frogsterking
Rad
Dwlee99
To Be Determined can be considered Null for the chart if necessary. I just have them separated because I want to see their play over time rather than needing to see more AI content in general.
These are players who were voting for Roden, which forced him to claim. It is safe to assume that masons wouldn't be bussing, right? So these players are not masons with Roden.
Lukewarm, ProfessorDrapion
These players reactions following the claim make it obvious that they are not masons with Roden.
Off The Hook
In post 704 OTH writes that Roden is in their "list of interests". Post 1577 further cements that OTH is not masons with Roden.
Cephrir, JohnnyFarrar, BlueBloodedToffee, RCEnigma, Rad
These players are not masons with Roden because of the way that Roden treated them.
In post 1572 Roden lists Cephrir and the toad (RCEnigma) as mafia in their reads list.
In post 2195 Roden says that BBT looks like they are "trying to create a narrative". That is not how masons talk to each other in the main thread. Also, BBT is listed as null in his reads before this.
In post 2203 Roden shows that they are isoing JohnnyFarrar, and while they have a vaguely positive impression, it seems unlikely that Roden is using some of his limited thread time on reading his own mason partners iso and ending with "it's fine". Also, Johnny is listed as null in his reads before this.
In post 861 Roden says that Rad's post is "Day Vig-able"
Dancing Puppets, Taly, Mathblade
These players are all in neighborhoods. As we've learned with toogeloo, neighbors know each others flavor. The alleged other mason has the flavor "Bernard". Additionally, I think it unlikely that any neighbor would also be a mason with a completely different person.
Dwlee99, T-Bone, Malakittens, Best Bird
Listed as "Null" or "TBD" in Roden's read list in post 1572, and then never mentioned again.
Cephrir
The toad
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
TBD
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Frogsterking
Rad
Dwlee99
To Be Determined can be considered Null for the chart if necessary. I just have them separated because I want to see their play over time rather than needing to see more AI content in general.
In post 3860, T-Bone wrote:We had to also reply to the game mod to confirm our roles...so Toog forgot that they would have replied neighbor or something like that to STD?
Actually that you reminded me we had to do that makes this worse in retrospect.
What do the neighbor players think of this?
That left 2 places that it was intended.
He was drafting a post, or he was grabbing it to take to his scum chat.
I wanted to see his big post before I decided which it was.
The method by which he was editing those reads lists is completely inconsistent with the post that he actually built.
Quoting reads lists, and enlarging text in 4060. Exclusively using [ Post] tags in 4079.
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After I saw the mason claim, I also did a check of who I thought that Roden's most likely mason partner was. My answer was Pooky.
I think that Dunn was grabbing those posts for a scum chat to suggest that his guess was that Pooky was Roden's mason partner, but accidentally posted it here.
Obviosuly, there is not a town motivation to highlight who you think Roden's mason partner is, so I think that this:
Was the best thing that he could come up with as to why he would have posted the reads list. He had already done the work narrowing down most of the player list (I was able to confidently discredit 20 of the 25 possibilities when I looked myself), so he just had to cross off the others.
I think that is why he then said that he was discarding anyone who put one another in Null, and is pretending like masons would not totally consider putting someone in null
Listed as "Null" or "TBD" in Roden's read list in post 1572, and then never mentioned again.
Best Bird has Roden as null in 1173
PookyTheMagicalBear
The last person left and the top of Roden's town list. They list Roden as null in 883.
This whole section of his post feels like they needed to be crossed off in order for him to explain his accidental post.
This is also, basically the list of people that I had as potential Roden mason partners, with Pooky being my best guess.
Even if we were to believe that Dunn was crossing off each player, there was no reason behind making 4060. It was clearly an accident and he is pretending it wasnt.
If it was intentional for here, I feel like it would have came with 4062 intrinsically as part of it. not 3 mins later.
In post 4126, Lukewarm wrote:Or you are scum, because you highlighted the exact reason why I thought that Pooky was Roden's mason partner, while pretending that you just proved that roden has no mason partner option.
Which I don't find believeable.
And I find it more believeable that you were purposefully trying to highlight that. Just not not in this thread.
These are players who were voting for Roden, which forced him to claim. It is safe to assume that masons wouldn't be bussing, right? So these players are not masons with Roden.
Discount the people voting him.
Mood. Same.
Lukewarm, ProfessorDrapion
These players reactions following the claim make it obvious that they are not masons with Roden.
Off The Hook
In post 704 OTH writes that Roden is in their "list of interests". Post 1577 further cements that OTH is not masons with Roden.
Lets discount the people that comments on the mason claim immediate.
Again, same. Sub out my own name for Dunn's, and that was my exact thinking.
Cephrir, JohnnyFarrar, BlueBloodedToffee, RCEnigma, Rad
These players are not masons with Roden because of the way that Roden treated them.
In post 1572 Roden lists Cephrir and the toad (RCEnigma) as mafia in their reads list.
In post 2195 Roden says that BBT looks like they are "trying to create a narrative". That is not how masons talk to each other in the main thread. Also, BBT is listed as null in his reads before this.
In post 2203 Roden shows that they are isoing JohnnyFarrar, and while they have a vaguely positive impression, it seems unlikely that Roden is using some of his limited thread time on reading his own mason partners iso and ending with "it's fine". Also, Johnny is listed as null in his reads before this.
In post 861 Roden says that Rad's post is "Day Vig-able"
Lets eliminate anyone that Roden has pushed.
Again, reasonable. This is exactly how I proceeded
Dancing Puppets, Taly, Mathblade
These players are all in neighborhoods. As we've learned with toogeloo, neighbors know each others flavor. The alleged other mason has the flavor "Bernard". Additionally, I think it unlikely that any neighbor would also be a mason with a completely different person.
Agreed, we can discount the people that we know are flavor neighbors with other people. I did the same thing.
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Then we hit the disconnect. Where his discredits of options to the point of being ready to out all of this, and push a mason claim stops being reasonable.
Dwlee99, T-Bone, Malakittens, Best Bird
Listed as "Null" or "TBD" in Roden's read list in post 1572, and then never mentioned again.
The last person left and the top of Roden's town list. They list Roden as null in 883.
What methodolgy was used here?
He cross referenced Roden's reads lists across the other people.
And decided that if either party listed the other party as null, it is not impossible for them to be mason partners.
I don't buy this hard and distinct disconnect from reasonable reasons to discredit mason options to this.
At best, I think that this becomes the list of people that Dunn wants to look at more closely. But he is acting like he was ready to out the whole list already at this point.
Furthermore, with the similarities between these, what is the thing that puts pooky in his own category? why would pooky be the person that he quotes the reads lists for?
The fact that Roden was town reading Pooky
vs
Both players mutually null reading the other.
That is a reason to GUESS pooky, not discredit the pooky option, nor is there a reason to prioritize quoting his reads list earlier
(Further more, Pooky moves Roden to his town reads, and in the spread sheets the are mutually town reading one another. Which is part of why I guessed Pooky)
In post 4167, T-Bone wrote:Excluding 5 people besides Pooky for no reason is weird, but it's not like anyone one of those players couldn't come in and either affirm or dispute the claim. If it was me, I'd have just claimed and left Dunn's theory dead in the water. It's not really that manipulative imo, because if Roden is actually a mason and the partner claims then everything Dunn says is moot. It really only applies if Roden is fake claiming.
In post 4169, T-Bone wrote:So like maybe you can make an argument that Dunn knows Roden is fake claiming cause they are both scum...but that doesn't seem to be the argument you're making?
I don't think that scum!dunn wanted to make this argument.
I think that he intended to quote them, copy them, post them in a scum chat, but accidentally posted those reads lists here, and then was backed into explaining why he did that.
Nancy thinks that someone being suspicious of her slot is equvelant to someone believing in QAnon Conspiracy theories, which is something that I think is pretty offensive ngl.
this feels extremely presumptuous
~GE
<3 <3 <3
I’m getting really fed up with continually being lectured to and picked on by Luke. This is like the third time now and it isn’t okay. I’m not just going to say nothing when people are misrepping me, twisting my words, cherry picking things out of context and otherwise saying undulterated gatbage about me.
In post 3293, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:A long time ago, he used to have dramatically different town and scum games, like as different as mine. I'm not sure if that's still the case after playing with flavor leaf so many times, but i gut townread his posts.
And the toads posts we're trending upwards before they repped out too
In post 3773, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I've hardcore skimmed the last however many pages and read MathBlade's ISO, and he just looks lost to me. Can you explain what were DNA's reads, and what are yours - I remember Bell and ...? Summarize the hood discussion for us plz, that might help me see why you're townreading DNA. Also how caught up are you
Is Klick still town? What's the VC? I don't know anything anymore
In post 3780, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Math are you a meta guy? 984 - I think Frogster is town, and around the time I posted that is when the Frogster wagon stalled (some ppl also TR'd him for the meds comment)
First one is about RCEnigma btw
As for the others, scum Math always seemed smoother to me, but I've seen multiple people say he reacts the same way emotionally under pressure so it's probably NAI
Us -> Because mod said so
You -> Because I seem solvey and a town mindset
Roden/Dwlee > Because claim
DP -> because Nancy's use of meta and self-defensiveness (which I associate with town!Nancy)
Dunn -> because Seemed to be solving
Luke -> because Not acting like scum!Luke (i.e. not posting mainly meta and theory during early game which I associate with his scumgame)
Taly -> because Cytosine likes his posts.
Pooky -> because I liked his early game
OTH -> because Similar to Dunn
^^ This is G
T-Bone -> Seems very nice and seems to be solving
(I think that there's all our TRs up to what I've read [Post 4419].)
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 3:01 pm
by Cat Scratch Fever
Nancy, maybe talking about something else for a bit will help. who are your preferred lims today? I think we should consolidate soon.
Nancy thinks that someone being suspicious of her slot is equvelant to someone believing in QAnon Conspiracy theories, which is something that I think is pretty offensive ngl.
this feels extremely presumptuous
~GE
<3 <3 <3
I’m getting really fed up with continually being lectured to and picked on by Luke. This is like the third time now and it isn’t okay.
I’m not just going to say nothing when people are misrepping me, twisting my words, cherry picking things out of context and otherwise saying undulterated gatbage about me.
These are also all decent examples of saying that without including things that have real world damaging connotations like qanon.
In post 953, Dancing Puppets wrote:Just going to throw this out there, hydras are > than rand more likely to either targeted or NK’d early. So why do you think OtH is likely to be scum? What about their posting do you sr? @Cephir
hydras are more likely to be targeted probably yes. so?
Wdym by this Cephrir?
~GE
? seems pretty straightforward to me but
they suggested that hydras should not be suspected because they are likely nightkills
i agreed that they are likely nightkills and also said that i don't think that matters vis a vis whether we should suspect them. if i may editorialize, it's another example in a pattern of DP indirectly arguing they should be above suspicion
I am seriously getting fed up with this horseshit. Between you and BB, there’s a merger cult with Qanon and Scientology recruiting new leaders.
Whoa this crosses a line. Take a step back.
NO, I won’t. Bite me!
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 3:03 pm
by Frogsterking
VOTE: BB
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 3:03 pm
by Taly
hesitant to lim anyone in a claimed hood rn
honestly im hardly getting any insight from the thread at this point. :/
