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Post Post #475 (ISO) » Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:58 am

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I think he's doing that on purpose.
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Post Post #476 (ISO) » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:47 pm

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Vaya wrote: @Slicey
You've mostly just talked about me thus far. Who else do you think may be scum?
TJoe for his blatant rolefishing that everyone casted off to the side because he's a newbie, which is bullshit. And zwet too, but I don't really remember why right now.
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Post Post #477 (ISO) » Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:11 pm

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I gotta reread this, to be honest. I think Vaya is probably town, and Col.Cathart too, just for claiming Tracker before anyone else claimed. (very risky think to do for scum.)

I don't like zwet very much, but again, I have to reread.
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Post Post #478 (ISO) » Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:08 pm

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Slicey wrote:
Vaya wrote: @Slicey
You've mostly just talked about me thus far. Who else do you think may be scum?
TJoe for his
blatant rolefishing
that everyone casted off to the side because he's a newbie, which is bullshit. And zwet too, but I
don't really remember why
right now.
blatant? I don't think what I did is that awfull

don't remember? I'm waiting...
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Post Post #479 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:31 am

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Asking people for their role flavor is a pretty well-known no-no unless you're a rolecop or have noticed major discrepancies in aspects of the role already disclosed.
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Post Post #480 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 6:36 am

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Iecerint wrote:Asking people for their role flavor is a pretty well-known no-no unless you're a rolecop or have noticed major discrepancies in aspects of the role already disclosed.
I still don't really get this argument. If Col.Cathart hadn't said anything about being an old couple, then yeah, asking that question would be bad. But if something's already posted in thread, then what's the harm with asking about it?

Real rolefishing is harmful to the town, such as asking for a claim too early, or saying something like "How are you so sure that X is town, unless if you're a cop or something?"
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Post Post #481 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 6:48 am

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Tjoe Min Ja wrote:old couple? care to explain more?
To remind everyone, that is what TMJ actually posted. I think it speaks for itself. If TMJ had followed up and said "My role PM tells me that old people may be scum" or "My role PM says that there are no old people in the community," then asking for more information might have been pro-town; however, in this case, it looks to me like he's trying to get a roleclaim out of the deal by manufacturing some pressure. An alternate explanation is that he just wasn't thinking or something. If you have another alternate interpretation of his actions, please let me know.
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Post Post #482 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:00 am

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Here's what Col.Cathart said:
Col.Cathart wrote: Yes, exactly. I know who my lover is. I'm actually really surprised to all of you guys don't know yours. But maybe it's just fluff-wise, because it looks like me and my lover are an old couple, so maybe that's the reason...
And here's what TMJ said afterwards:
Tjoe wrote:why I ask about old couple?

simply because I'm lesbian. my role said that I'm in love with someone "unconfirmed"
which is differ from col cat's lover
Seems like a legitimate reason, even though Tjoe apparently misread.

Besides, if Tjoe was scum, wouldn't he still be a "lesbian?" In which case he'd have known that the "old couple" thing meant nothing, anyway. So what would be the point of rolefishing?
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Post Post #483 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:16 am

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@Tjoe:
Tjoe wrote:simply because I'm lesbian.
my role said that I'm in love with someone "unconfirmed"
Where did you get "unconfirmed" from?
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Post Post #484 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:47 am

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TMJ highlighted CC's flavor rather than his confirmed/unconfirmed lover as the basis of his question. To me, this implies that the subsequent explanation for his question was just backpedaling for damage control after people had criticized his question. His original question is targeted at flavor rather than alignment as I read it.
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Post Post #485 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:10 pm

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Iecerint wrote:TMJ highlighted CC's flavor rather than his confirmed/unconfirmed lover as the basis of his question. To me, this implies that the subsequent explanation for his question was just backpedaling for damage control after people had criticized his question. His original question is targeted at flavor rather than alignment as I read it.
Then what's wrong with asking about flavor that's already posted in the thread? Especially considering that everyone has some sort of flavor with their lovers?
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Post Post #486 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:17 pm

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Actually, I think my reasoning from early in the game made more sense:
Crazy wrote:Tjoe didn't ask to explain the "confirmed" part; he asked to explain the "old couple" part. The "old couple" part may or may not have been relevant (probably not), but the fact that Col already said it makes it worth asking about.

It's based on the old philosophy that soft-claims help nobody but scum, so anything that's said in thread can be elaborated upon, hence if you don't want to talk about your role, don't mention any part of your role.
Thus, if being an "old couple" was something that was bad to mention, then why did Col.Cathart mention it?

Even if it was relevant, the argument that Tjoe was fishing still doesn't work. Say that Col.Cathart said his role was a "Compulsive Surgeon." Would it be rolefishing to ask what a "Compulsive Surgeon" was?
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Post Post #487 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:33 pm

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My view is that CC claiming "old couple" was pretty harmless. All of us (I assume) have some flavor to our pairing that is distinct from our role. As such, his "old couple" flavorclaim does not warrant further investigation (unless there are a priori reasons to suspect old couples, etc).

In the form of a rhetorical question -- Suppose that everyone is a Townie, but some Townies are Townie Cops or Townie Doctors. If someone says "I'm a Townie," is it scummy to ask for more information?
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Post Post #488 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:42 pm

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Ice wrote:My view is that CC claiming "old couple" was pretty harmless. All of us (I assume) have some flavor to our pairing that is distinct from our role. As such, his "old couple" flavorclaim does not warrant further investigation (unless there are a priori reasons to suspect old couples, etc).
If Tjoe was scum, then wouldn't he know that being an "old couple" or a "lesbian" has no relevance to your role? So he would already know that asking about the "old couple" would accomplish nothing.

Unless if in a misunderstanding he wondered how old couples were "confirmed" to each other, which is my assumption.
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Post Post #489 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:43 pm

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Iec wrote:In the form of a rhetorical question -- Suppose that everyone is a Townie, but some Townies are Townie Cops or Townie Doctors. If someone says "I'm a Townie," is it scummy to ask for more information?
Yup. However, in this case not everyone is an "old couple," and being an "old couple" is not relevant to your role, but being a "townie" is.
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Post Post #490 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:33 pm

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If TMJ really wanted specifically the confirmation aspect clarified, he would've asked about it. Instead, he asked for flavor explication. The only reason to do so AFAIK is to gauge reactions to determine PR likelihood, which I find scummy.

I suppose it is possible that TMJ intended to ask about something other than what he asked about (e.g. confirmation rather than flavor), or that he wasn't thinking about his posts very carefully. Or his role PM tells him that the old people are out to get us. Otherwise, he is scum.
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Post Post #491 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:47 pm

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Iecerint wrote:I think he's doing that on purpose.
You are correct. 8-)
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Post Post #492 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:34 am

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@zwet : lol...probably iceman will come and say "BAH"...
elvis_knits wrote:
Col.Cathart wrote:
Tjoe Min Ja wrote:
Col.Cathart wrote:So... Actually I'm one of those rare people who HAS their confirmed lovers? This game is even more complicated, than I thought...
what do you mean by that?your lover was confirmed?
Yes, exactly. I know who my lover is. I'm actually really surprised to all of you guys don't know yours. But maybe it's just fluff-wise, because it looks like me and my lover are an old couple, so maybe that's the reason...
I'm not sure you are talking about the same thing we are. I know who my lover is, but my lover is not confirmed to me as town. Confirmed usually means allignment.
@icerint : I can understand that point of view.
when CC said that it was "confirmed" it sign a little alarm in my head. I'm not asking about his "old couple" but rather his "confirmed" one
but when he say that he was "old couple", I still don't get it so respond and ask him that question. elvis's answer is what I need afterall
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Post Post #493 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:56 am

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Iecerint wrote:If TMJ really wanted specifically the confirmation aspect clarified, he would've asked about it. Instead, he asked for flavor explication. The only reason to do so AFAIK is to gauge reactions to determine PR likelihood, which I find scummy.

I suppose it is possible that TMJ intended to ask about something other than what he asked about (e.g. confirmation rather than flavor), or that he wasn't thinking about his posts very carefully. Or his role PM tells him that the old people are out to get us. Otherwise, he is scum.
I agree with this, but I think you're reading too much into faulty wording.
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Post Post #494 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:53 am

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My computer decided to piss me off, and is crashing down every 5 minutes. This means, writing any longer post is almost impossible. So, I'll go on
V/LA until it will be repaired (should be 3 days max).


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Post Post #495 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:10 pm

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^looks like one of my friend's computer...

I think he is going to format it soon:P
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Post Post #496 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:13 pm

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oh ... I already told poptajo that I'm going V/LA till 23 oct

I'll catch up in the weekend
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Post Post #497 (ISO) » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:45 am

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lol....everybody go V/LA?
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Post Post #498 (ISO) » Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:34 am

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The game has stagnated. I think Dizzy should use her cop abilities on a player of her choice ASAP.

Otherwise, I think we should lynch any of the 3 players CC recommended a few pages ago (Dizzy, zwet, TMJ). Dizzy is suspicious for some weird attacks D1 and for that absurd hammer D2. zwet is suspicious for being zwet, but a line has to be drawn somewhere. TMJ is somewhat suspicious for rolefishing, but I'd say he's on a second tier.

I was thinking about Crazy (I thought he might be setting up for a mislynch on TMJ), but that doesn't really make any sense in lylo and he looks OK in ISO, too.
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Post Post #499 (ISO) » Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:16 am

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I've been lazy regarding this game, though I shouldn't be 'cuz we're in LyLo.

Izzy's cop investigation is most important, too, I think.
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