Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 6:33 pm
Everyone on the pizza wagon: what do you think of MoI?
Fate wrote:Never seen him play before, so I'm not doing any of thsi meta shit. His play here is unacceptable, and I'm not going to pray he gets vigged tonight and our problem goes away, I'm lynching it because I ALSO think he's been scummy.
Drmy wrote:@Korlash: No sarcasm is ever in my words. If I wanted to use it it would be clearly evident.
Pere wrote:@MoI- Triggered a scumtell twice. Pizza's just a wagon he also hopped on that wasn't the Rat wagon. I don't think he cares.
Rat wrote:I think we have gotten just about as much from Day 1 as we can, and I think we should consolidate to three candidates: MoI, pizza, and myself. I think we would get the most relational information from either a lynch of MoI or myself. While I do believe pizza is scum, I will
↑ Pizzadudes7 wrote:
Sure, just because I do think he is scummy.Vote: Pappums
And Fate says: HE IS TRYING TO SAVE HIS ASS. LYNCH!!! LYNCH!!!
↑ PeregrineV wrote:↑ Pizzadudes7 wrote:
Sure, just because I do think he is scummy.Vote: Pappums
And Fate says: HE IS TRYING TO SAVE HIS ASS. LYNCH!!! LYNCH!!!
You're quoting the guy who says YOU are scum?
Saying survival vote sounds more accurate.
Peregrine wrote:You're quoting the guy who says YOU are scum?
Saying survival vote sounds more accurate.
Pappums wrote:Wow this is awful. While people often do have traits that you can judge them to some degree on, making this hard of a metatell is just terrible. There is RL to consider, there is a person's level of involvement in the game, there is the person's strategy for the game, and many other things to consider when you get into a person's activity.That you say they are scum here based upon how often they post in other games or places of the forum is a FUCKING TERRIBLE ARGUMENT.
Pappums wrote: It is a massive stretch to say I am playing against my wincon by not trying quite as hard as I could.
Pappums wrote: Because I was too caught up in my confirmation bias and made arguments that were based in it.
↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:Benmage wrote:protown..... so being scum and making mistakes equate to he samething..... that's news to me.
Well welcome to the Burden of Proficiency Ben – I don’t think you are bad enough a player to make those sort of clearly incorrect mistakes as Town.
But as scum looking to get my mislynch? That I could buy.
↑ pappums rat wrote:
When he decided he was going to spam the thread with semantic arguments that are going nowhere. He did this in a recent game as scum, but I think this is more of a playstyle thing than a scum-driven thing tbh.
BTW I am done with the walls and quote strip back and forth. I am not going to partake in miring this game in unreadable monster wall posts. If you have something you want me to respond to, do so in a succinct question sans wall plox.
↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Futhermore are you suggesting that Benmage and Fate are ‘easy targets’ based on my interactions with them?
Pappums wrote: Quote 4: I voted you because you are scum.
EVERYONE SHOULD EXAMINE THIS RESPONSE CLOSELY.
I asked Papums to summarize why he voted for me in his own words. This is his response.
Then vote him. Thanks!
↑ PeregrineV wrote: if only I have enough hours in a day. Since I don't, and the living players would do there own version of who-was-on-the-wagon day2, I asked you, the potentially dead player, to do so before you died.
Are you really not understanding what I asked for or why I did?
↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:Ben clearly wasn’t going to go looking for it. Why would I, as scum, not tell him to do it himself as opposed to doing all the legwork?
↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:↑ PeregrineV wrote:And I will circle back to the crux of my question. Why refuse the town what could potentially be your "last thoughts"?
And I'll repeat, ONCE AGAIN, my response to this - I was not worried at all about having time to post my final thoughts even if you hammered. Period. Last time I address this.
Also - why, if you were asking for my 'last thoughts' did you not express an intent to hammer. That's pretty much site standard for when people claim and give last thoughts here on MS. The closest you got was giving a wishy-washy "I'm debating it" comment.
↑ vijay2vasandani wrote:*sigh* case? My case is that you're fabricating a scumslip. I don't understand what else I can do. Sure you can defend yourself but I'm obviously not convinced. Like I said, it's a matter of who they believe.
↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:3. I’ll be quite curious at Benmage’s thougths on what is clearly inflammatory language that he states is a scum-motivated play.
↑ Korlash wrote:
v2V wrote:*sigh* case? My case is that you're fabricating a scumslip. I don't understand what else I can do. Sure you can defend yourself but I'm obviously not convinced. Like I said, it's a matter of who they believe.
For the record, is the entirety of the 'fabrication' argument simply that he's too good a player to have thought it was a legitimate slip? If so, I think saying he 'fabricated' it is a bit far. Pushing it while seeming to not care if it was true or not, sure... But outright fabricating it seems too hard to back up.
↑ Fate wrote:↑ Pizzadudes7 wrote:↑ Fate wrote:↑ vijay2vasandani wrote:... I think I'll stay here and wait it out. Remind me what the Pizza case is again?
Literally no attempt or sign of scumhunting so far. Makes useless questions to appear being "helpful and inquisitive" over-reaction to the vote I made on him.
Its pretty open and shut
Sorry, I was in the woods since Friday, but I'm back.
So, the actual case is that I don't post my scumspects therefore SCUM? Never have I seen a game where something like that was true.
.
Also, I think someone asked if I thought MoI was scum. If that was a question, I would say possibly, but no matter what I say, people will say we are partners
how is this shit still alive?
↑ Pizzadudes7 wrote: Benmage because of the MoI vote thing that happened with him and me (where he challenged my MoI vote after he made his own).
↑ Korlash wrote:Pizza is a bad lynch, case in point: regardless of his alignment in this game, would anyone here actually expect him to play any differently as the opposite role? Answer: no! His lynch has nothing to do with him being scum and that's bullshit when we have so many good scum suspects to hang first.
↑ vijay2vasandani wrote:Yates is the scummmmmmm.
MoI your point on Fate and Benmage is interesting. I think Benmage is town, but I remember saying Fate-probscum.
Oh well, vig him tonight.
↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:Have any non-fluff for us Ben?
↑ pappums rat wrote:
Wow this is awful. While people often do have traits that you can judge them to some degree on, making this hard of a metatell is just terrible. There is RL to consider, there is a person's level of involvement in the game, there is the person's strategy for the game, and many other things to consider when you get into a person's activity. That you say they are scum here based upon how often they post in other games or places of the forum is a FUCKING TERRIBLE ARGUMENT.
↑ pappums rat wrote:
I think we have gotten just about as much from Day 1 as we can, and I think we should consolidate to three candidates: MoI, pizza, and myself. I think we would get the most relational information from either a lynch of MoI or myself. While I do believe pizza is scum, I will
Unvote
Vote: MoI
for this reason. If an MoI lynch will not happen I will return to pizza.
↑ Korlash wrote:Fate wrote:Never seen him play before, so I'm not doing any of thsi meta shit. His play here is unacceptable, and I'm not going to pray he gets vigged tonight and our problem goes away, I'm lynching it because I ALSO think he's been scummy.
Bullshit. Every single one of us has seen a 'Pizza' before. Some player that could arguably be labeled as a VI, or a new player, or a bad player, or whatever that turns into lynch bait and 9 times out of 10 ends up a mislynch that starts the town a day late with what amounts to a half info wagon. Everything you've said regarding him being scummy amounts to "I think he is a bad/worthless player" which is not the same thing.
↑ Korlash wrote:
Rat wrote:I think we have gotten just about as much from Day 1 as we can, and I think we should consolidate to three candidates: MoI, pizza, and myself. I think we would get the most relational information from either a lynch of MoI or myself. While I do believe pizza is scum, I will
Bullshit. "I think Rat is scum but it would be best to lynch MoI or Myself"... No. If you really felt Pizza was scum you wouldn't say it would be better to lynch MoI. And this is a bullshit appeal of mortality. 'Guys, I'm willing to sacrifice myself for the good of the town'...
Die scum, die! But in a nice way so we can have cake afterward. But some small amount of not-niceness as well... because you're scum. =D
↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:Benmage has again made numerous posts (15) in other games since his last string here (which were all fluff)..
↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Pappums wrote:Wow this is awful. While people often do have traits that you can judge them to some degree on, making this hard of a metatell is just terrible. There is RL to consider, there is a person's level of involvement in the game, there is the person's strategy for the game, and many other things to consider when you get into a person's activity.That you say they are scum here based upon how often they post in other games or places of the forum is a FUCKING TERRIBLE ARGUMENT.
Oh look, handwaving. But let’s examine …
1. RL to consider – Benmage hasn’t said anything about RL reasons for low activity and content. In fact that only thing he alluded to is being in 5 games. I’m in more than that right now. So that’s not a real reason ATM.
2. Level of involvement in the game – when Benmage has, as Town, consistently in the past espoused a “Town Benmage is active Benmage” stance (and he agreed to this) then his level of involvement in the game should be considered alignment driven.
3. Strategy for the game – not a really valid point IMO since strategy in a particular game is not alignment dependant.
4. Many other things to consider – broad net that says nothing.
But let’s also discuss the straw-man I’ve bolded.
1. I clearly have indicated why Benmage in particular is scum BEYOND activity(same for Fate to a lesser extent given I have not made a full case on him) and you trying to suggest the only reason for my statements is this point is scummy as all get out.
↑ Pizzadudes7 wrote:For one, he has been fixated on MoI and myself this whole time. I see no reason for anyone to just keep one target at a time. Also, he only has contributed when people directly ask him questions and early on in the game.Honestly,and this is coming from me, he really isn't helping himself out and he DEFINITELY isn't helping the town out.
↑ The Mini-Librarian wrote:@pappums: do you think MoI has a higher chance to flip scum than pizza?
↑ vijay2vasandani wrote:Yeah idk about that one.