AVox, I've helped pull a fakehammer gambit before (*coughBedtimeStoriescough*). Quite frankly, the way you decided to do it doesn't give anyone anything, like MoI said. Well, no, it makes you look scummier. It definitely does NOT give any connections between Arug and Whisper.
LLD just needs to go. Unhelpful, lurking, lame-ass reads, etc. I feel AVox and IceGuy are scummier, so I suppose she's one of those "can fall back on if nothing else" scumreads.
Whisper Post 442 - Considering 2/5 on the wagon prior to my L-1 had little-to-none (DCL) or crap (Vijay) reasoning, and another's I just didn't like (IceGuy), I can agree with you on the latter point.
Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:35 am
by MagnaofIllusion
Iceguy wrote:You suspected LLD, whisper, Aurorus, vijay, Arugula, Hoopla, DCLXVI, and me. That's eight players in a three-scum game.
I’m just posting this for later when I compare this ‘damning evidence’ with Iceguy’s own list.
Iceguy wrote:And you just recently said you'd lynch all of them except for whisper and Hoopla, which you dropped without an explanation.
Do you mean Post 468 where I listed those most likely to be scum if Arugula flipped Town and gave reason why I thought they were likely scum? If so congratulations on cherry-picking out of context for the loss!
Iceguy wrote:You have never posted a read on Amrun, Voided, or 2m1s. You've actually completely ignored 2m1s.
Your point?
Iceguy wrote:In the end, you're giving and retracting scum reads without rhyme or reason, while remaining ambivalent enough so you can safely lynch everybody when time comes.
Yup. I couldn’t possible by forming reads as the game goes along based on the information posted.
For example – I couldn’t possibly think Whispersilk’s plan was Pro-Scum, voted her for it, assessed her responses, and gotten a Town read.
In the end I think you are trying to present as scummy the fact that I don’t restrict my questions and scum-hunting to make sure I have a neat 3 person set. Which is a pretty ludicrous stance given that your last reads list was the following –
Other scum reads: Robocopter
Leaning scum: LLD, Voided
Neutral or need to post more: Amrun, 2m1s, vijay, DCL
Unfortunately probably town: MoI, Hoopla, whisper
Town: AV
You are knocking me for having too many non-Town reads when your list of scum / Neutral (aka people you want to lynch) is Arugula / Robo / LLD / Voided / Amrun / 2for1 / Vijay and DCL. That’s 8 players also. Convenient that your non-Town list is exactly the same size as the list you claim makes me scum for being willing to lynch too many people.
Cognitive Dissonance Away! Scumbag Ahoy!
Iceguy wrote:I think I have to re-think my "MoI is dumbtown" stance. Here's a hint for next time: You probably should have dropped that point before I actually looked up the facts instead of posting from memory.
Lulz. Just lulz.
Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:36 am
by MagnaofIllusion
@Iceguy
- So is Arugula scum or Town?
I'd like everyone to note that Iceguy 'came alive' to stop posting fluff AFTER the hammer was dropped ...
Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:37 am
by Voidedmafia
Noted.
Also, MoI, I thought you did have a read on me?
Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:40 am
by MagnaofIllusion
↑Voidedmafia wrote:
Also, MoI, I thought you did have a read on me?
I do. I think it is pretty clear what it is (hint ... it's Town)
Iceguy's point is that I didn't expressly voice it in a way that he wants to present as scummy somehow. So I questioned him on that.
Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:40 am
by whispersilk
Hey guys! Here is the real $64k question. Was Arugula just hella bussed, or did the town just get butt-fucked because half of it's population is either vla or posting useless utter shite.
Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:43 am
by MagnaofIllusion
↑whispersilk wrote:Hey guys! Here is the real $64k question. Was Arugula just hella bussed, or did the town just get butt-fucked because half of it's population is either vla or posting useless utter shite.
List the population half that is V/LA or posting useless shit before I move forward ...
Yes, I do. I want to see who YOU think is doing it.
Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:47 am
by IceGuy
↑MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Do you mean Post 468 where I listed those most likely to be scum if Arugula flipped Town and gave reason why I thought they were likely scum? If so congratulations on cherry-picking out of context for the loss!
Let me rephrase that for you:
""
What you said is completely irrelevant to my point.
Your point?
You have never formed a read you need to explain away when you want to lynch somebody.
Yup. I couldn’t possible by forming reads as the game goes along based on the information posted.
Except you haven't actually been forming reads based on information posted.
For example – I couldn’t possibly think Whispersilk’s plan was Pro-Scum, voted her for it, assessed her responses, and gotten a Town read.
You could have possible thought like that, but your posts don't match this claim. You attacked whispersilk long after she posted her plan, and just quietly dropped her when it became clear she wasn't the lynch for today.
In the end I think you are trying to present as scummy the fact that I don’t restrict my questions and scum-hunting to make sure I have a neat 3 person set.
No, I'm presenting as scummy the fact that you give out unreasonable scum reads like candy and never form other reads.
You are knocking me for having too many non-Town reads when your list of scum / Neutral (aka people you want to lynch)
You generally don't want to lynch Neutral reads until late in the game. You want them to post more so you can give a safe read about them.
Except of course if you're scum, your reads are fake anyway and you're and just trying to get mislynches through. Which "coincidentally" matches your behavior.
Though it's funny how you suddenly start throwing around town reads once I pressure you.
Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:50 am
by MagnaofIllusion
Oh look, another "No U" post from Iceguy. How quaint. I will so enjoy hanging you tomorrow (unless of course you predictably Nightkill me as scum always do when I am on to them)!
Why no commitment to whether Arugula is scum or Town Ice? Afraid to be on the record?
Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:54 am
by IceGuy
↑MagnaofIllusion wrote:Oh look, another "No U" post from Iceguy. How quaint. I will so enjoy hanging you tomorrow (unless of course you predictably Nightkill me as scum always do when I am on to them)!
So your point is that you don't actually have anything to say to my post, so you resort to your usual bullshit mudslinging?
Why no commitment to whether Arugula is scum or Town Ice? Afraid to be on the record?
No, because my vote should make it obvious. To everybody but you, at least.
Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:57 am
by MagnaofIllusion
Iceguy wrote:Let me rephrase that for you:
""
What you said is completely irrelevant to my point.
Iceguy playbook page 1 – If I can’t actually argue against it I’ll just say it is wrong or not relevant.
Iceguy wrote:You have never formed a read you need to explain away when you want to lynch somebody.
Lulz. That’s what you exactly did with having 4 people “Neutral”.
Iceguy wrote:Except you haven't actually been forming reads based on information posted.
Iceguy wrote:You could have possible thought like that, but your posts don't match this claim. You attacked whispersilk long after she posted her plan, and just quietly dropped her when it became clear she wasn't the lynch for today.
As is typical I see an inordinant amount of proof (links to posts) supporting your position. Just “No, U” and Iceguy Page 1 play.
Iceguy wrote:No, I'm presenting as scummy the fact that you give out unreasonable scum reads like candy and never form other reads.
And now we are back to you fabricating once again. Link to my posts showing scum reads on all the players you claimed. I’ll be waiting … but of course we know you can’t.
Iceguy wrote:You generally don't want to lynch Neutral reads until late in the game. You want them to post more so you can give a safe read about them.
Lulz. You knock me for not forming reads but you were not able to form reads and it’s Town. Cognitive Dissonance away!!!!
Iceguy wrote:Though it's funny how you suddenly start throwing around town reads once I pressure you.
Lulz. You think you are pressuring me? Lulz indeed.
Eat rope tomorrow scum!
Preview Edit
- typical incorrect rhetoric.
Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:03 am
by Hoopla
At least we know IceGuy and MoI aren't scum together. Lets remember this if one of them ever flips scum.
Arugula wrote:
That question was a JOKE. If you thought I would seriously ask that, you need a sense of humor. And I know you have been talking about his content, but you make it seem like I am just parroting you, when I am calling him out on tunneling, not lack of content.
There are no jokes in Mafia. I'm not accepting a defense of "It was a joke". No. If you didn't state it was a joke at the time of the joke, then it wasn't a joke.
Second point I'm willing to agree to. You are in fact calling him out for tunneling. not lack of content. I'll let that go. However, this has nothing to do with me being scum.
There are no jokes in mafia? Ok. So you actually thought I took a shit on his pillow? What the hell? And yes, it does have something to do with you being scum. You are painting me as parroting when I am not.
Arugula wrote:
Am I supposed to say that I will flip scum?
I never said that. But instead of giving proper reasoning you went to, "Oh IM TOWN so you should feel bad when I flip." We don't know you are town. We didn't ask you if you were town. Its a load of WIFOM that doesn't needed to be added.
That's because AV said I will flip scum. I didn't just say that I am flipping town as a response to the case on me.
It's pretty funny how everyone that is actually around, has jumped off me and IG and straight onto Arugula without really giving good reason. vijay is probably the worst.
QFT
↑AurorusVox wrote:Well the fake hammer has at least served to strengthen the tie between whisper and arguala.
Good so when I flip town, the shitty case on whisper should come to an end.
@Magna
Robocopter is a better player and could talk his way out of being scum. AV cannot do that as well. That's why Robocopter should go first.
As a side note, AV, purposely misspelling my name isn't funny. I brought this up last time, and you continue to do it. You are just being an asshole.
Wow Amrun. Way to hammer town. Bye guys. Whisper is town too.
@Whisper
The scum team is among these people, in order:
Robocopter
AV
DCL
Iceguy
Good luck guys!
Vijay
Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:19 am
by whispersilk
@MoI:
Useless shite: AV, MoI, DCL, LLD and to a degree Hoopla.
VLA: vijay, 2for1, Amrun - all three somehow managing to pull off both. When they are here, they post nothing helpful to the town.
I'm somewhat disappointed in Hoop. I thought she would be scumhunting much more actively than she has been. The back and forth with Amrun was just fluff, and the back and forth with you is equally as useless as it is annoying to read. I do however understand the comment she made about being better able to read people once there has been a flip. I am also better at reading and picking up on the little tells once there has been results, especially scum flips. Hoping she
Robocopter, IG, Arugula, Voided and myself are the only people who seem to be really invested in this game. Sure, at times we've been focusing on the wrong people, but at least we were making an effort to hunt scum.
MoI, it's been mentioned before by other people - Your posts and efforts at scumhunting (if you can call it that) appear superficial and little more than someone going through the motions. You've no
real
or concrete reads, and you've yet to build a decent case against anyone. You appear to be fence sitting to keep your options open. You've made half-hearted attacks on most of the town, but never followed through with any of them, often just dropping them altogether to move onto someone else. You ask lots of seemingly pro-town questions of people, but to me, it's like there is this air of scumminess about them, like you're just waiting for someone to say something wrong, or basically anything you don't agree with, so you can make another quick superficial attack. I agree with much that Hoop and IG have said about you.
Going to stop now, because I want to get this in before the thread is locked. If you want them, and if there is time, I can and will provide evidence from your posts to back up my points against you.
Useless shite: AV, MoI, DCL, LLD and to a degree Hoopla.
VLA: vijay, 2for1, Amrun - all three somehow managing to pull off both. When they are here, they post nothing helpful to the town.
I'm somewhat disappointed in Hoop. I thought she would be scumhunting much more actively than she has been. The back and forth with Amrun was just fluff, and the back and forth with you is equally as useless as it is annoying to read. I do however understand the comment she made about being better able to read people once there has been a flip. I am also better at reading and picking up on the little tells once there has been results, especially scum flips. Hoping she
proves my town read on her to be valid by participating more tomorrow.
Robocopter, IG, Arugula, Voided and myself are the only people who seem to be really invested in this game. Sure, at times we've been focusing on the wrong people, but at least we were making an effort to hunt scum.
MoI, it's been mentioned before by other people - Your posts and efforts at scumhunting (if you can call it that) appear superficial and little more than someone going through the motions. You've no
real
or concrete reads, and you've yet to build a decent case against anyone. You appear to be fence sitting to keep your options open. You've made half-hearted attacks on most of the town, but never followed through with any of them, often just dropping them altogether to move onto someone else. You ask lots of seemingly pro-town questions of people, but to me, it's like there is this air of scumminess about them, like you're just waiting for someone to say something wrong, or basically anything you don't agree with, so you can make another quick superficial attack. I agree with much that Hoop and IG have said about you.
Going to stop now, because I want to get this in before the thread is locked. If you want them, and if there is time, I can and will provide evidence from your posts to back up my points against you.
Posted accidentally. Added the part in bold.
Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:27 am
by AurorusVox
@moi, why does vijay scum preclude you and whisper being scum?
@hoops, its the vote for argu whilst calling me town tat makes me crinkle my nose at vijay
Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:28 am
by IceGuy
↑MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Iceguy playbook page 1 – If I can’t actually argue against it I’ll just say it is wrong or not relevant.
Or it's just not relevant.
I said "You were suspicious of those people and quietly dropped the suspicions."
You answered "I made a post where I posted suspicions on other people."
Lulz. That’s what you exactly did with having 4 people “Neutral”.
I did it with four people, who showed little activity except for whispersilk. You did it with the entire playerlist.
As is typical I see an inordinant amount of proof (links to posts) supporting your position. Just “No, U” and Iceguy Page 1 play.
Obviously, you can't prove a negative by links. I could link to every post and say "no, that's not a decent read" but that would be pointless. And obviously, you know this, and know your request to links for posts is unfulfillable, and also obviously you are going to present this as UNDENIABLE PROOF I'm scum.
You're pathetically predictable.
And now we are back to you fabricating once again. Link to my posts showing scum reads on all the players you claimed. I’ll be waiting … but of course we know you can’t.
*yawn*
I eagerly await your post saying "Just because I want to lynch them doesn't mean they are a scumread of mine! You are scum for saying that!"
Lulz. You knock me for not forming reads but you were not able to form reads and it’s Town. Cognitive Dissonance away!!!!
That's stupid even for your standards.
Lulz. You think you are pressuring me? Lulz indeed.
It did work.
Eat rope tomorrow scum!
You know, MoI, just claiming "YOU'RE SCUM!" does not make it so.
Preview Edit
- typical incorrect rhetoric.
Thanks for accurately summarizing your post.
Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:33 am
by Hoopla
↑whispersilk wrote:Hoping she proves my town read on her to be valid by participating more tomorrow.
I'll try...
Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:29 pm
by vijay2vasandani
Well, I was just saying that this isn't the AV I know and love so I'd be wary. Take it as an FoS if uu want.
I'll read up tonight.
And yeah, I kinda have to agree with the thoughts on LLD. She's null now.
Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:35 pm
by vijay2vasandani
Fail, I missed a whole page. Anyway, VM is town.
Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:30 pm
by Voidedmafia
↑vijay2vasandani wrote:Fail, I missed a whole page. Anyway, VM is town.
MORE THAN THAT, GODDAMMIT!
Whisper, I suppose I can agree to quick attacks from MoI, but I doh't think his attacking of IceGuy is superficial. He's been going at it for most of the day (or at least since IceGuy's wagon was nearing being lynched), and while I will admit that I might be looking through confirmation bias, I just haven't seen much from IceGuy that dissuades me from thinking he's town.
At 7 votes, a lynch has been achieved. Mod scene approaching...
You banked 4 days' worth of time for tomorrow's deadline.
MoI has declared Limited Access during weekends.
2minds1soul has declared V/LA for a week from Tue, Jun 26, 2012 11:48.04 am (AEST).
Lady Lambdadelta has declared V/LA for the coming weekend.
Amrun has declared V/LA until Mon, Jul 9, 2012.
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:02 pm
by Quilford
>>>
Arugula,
VNL TWN
, forced to quit Day 1!
<<<
It is now Night 1.
All submissions for night actions must be in within (expired on 2012-07-02 23:02:44).
