such as? why would a serial killer have limited/restricted kills? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of being scum/sk if you can't kill off the others?Shiryu wrote:I'm thinking more along the lines that you are limited in some other way.
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Ok ok! Restricted, not limited! I say it would be to balance out the fact that your kills efectively end the day.
Ok, say I accept your arguments for a moment. I recall you being pretty sure that CA was a couple of pages back. Why was that again? Why him over MoS?
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Shiryu, we're looking at really unlikely scenarios for all four of us to be scum
1 - If I'm scum, it means that I didn't kill Shiryu last night after he had an innocent investigation on me, and no innocent investigation on BJ. I would have also known that there was no doctor.
2 - If MoS is scum, it means I'm not scum, and I protected MoS to protect myself. This means that MoS's ability is pretty confirmed, but it's possible he has reflection as well as being scum.
3 - BJ is almost certainly not scum. He was killed night one, and a day-kill power would be way too good in the hands of the scum. It's possible he's SK, but then why doesn't he just keep telling and preventing himself from getting lynched? We've seen no pattern from BJ's day-kills.
4 - If Shiryu is scum, he must have staged his fight with Rainbow before we lynched Rainbow.
I think BJ thought I was scum just because I was going after him, and everyone else looked pretty clear. We hadn't yet realized that I could have just killed you and got MoS to go along with me if I were scum.
1 - If I'm scum, it means that I didn't kill Shiryu last night after he had an innocent investigation on me, and no innocent investigation on BJ. I would have also known that there was no doctor.
2 - If MoS is scum, it means I'm not scum, and I protected MoS to protect myself. This means that MoS's ability is pretty confirmed, but it's possible he has reflection as well as being scum.
3 - BJ is almost certainly not scum. He was killed night one, and a day-kill power would be way too good in the hands of the scum. It's possible he's SK, but then why doesn't he just keep telling and preventing himself from getting lynched? We've seen no pattern from BJ's day-kills.
4 - If Shiryu is scum, he must have staged his fight with Rainbow before we lynched Rainbow.
I think BJ thought I was scum just because I was going after him, and everyone else looked pretty clear. We hadn't yet realized that I could have just killed you and got MoS to go along with me if I were scum.
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Because I think it is either you or CA.Shiryu wrote:Ok ok! Restricted, not limited! I say it would be to balance out the fact that your kills efectively end the day.
Ok, say I accept your arguments for a moment. I recall you being pretty sure that CA was a couple of pages back. Why was that again? Why him over MoS?
If CA - means he went with a no kill last night
If you - means you staged the whole thing with Rainbow Brite earlier in game.
I have to ask myself which is more likely.
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true. I've said that....would require him also though to either 1) also be a role reflector, or 2) Have just happened to submit a no kill last night when you did the only action that would allow for a possible block.Commodore Amazing wrote:@BJ - It's also possible that it's MoS. I can only confirm him so much. .
Seems unlikely to me at this point. Although personally I think we shold have lynched MoS long ago given his fishy role claim so it wouldn't come down to end game like this.
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Hmmm, there's also the possibility that CA might be a SK, but I just don't see that going with his rolename.
Ok, new train of thought: Assume Rainbow Brite was indeed the godfather. MoS is either a scum henchman, or who he says he is. If he is scum, he still has the ability he claims to have, since I did get an innocent result on him (granted, this could have been because of something else; I just can't imagine what right now), and it can't be because he's godfather, since Rainbow already had that role. I don't really see a reason to vote him off either way: CA can just use the power to his advantage to protect himself. That or he's pro-town. Ok, so maybe this wasn't as new as I hoped, I just included Rainbow being godfather into the mix.
Again, I believe CA to be pro-town, so from my point of view, BJ is the man to lynch today.
I also just thought of an alternative: We could just vote no lynch, go into the night with the 4 of us so that the game will still continue tomorrow, and just see what happens at night. CA would, of course, pretty much choose who gets to live, if one of us is indeed scum.
Ok, new train of thought: Assume Rainbow Brite was indeed the godfather. MoS is either a scum henchman, or who he says he is. If he is scum, he still has the ability he claims to have, since I did get an innocent result on him (granted, this could have been because of something else; I just can't imagine what right now), and it can't be because he's godfather, since Rainbow already had that role. I don't really see a reason to vote him off either way: CA can just use the power to his advantage to protect himself. That or he's pro-town. Ok, so maybe this wasn't as new as I hoped, I just included Rainbow being godfather into the mix.
Again, I believe CA to be pro-town, so from my point of view, BJ is the man to lynch today.
I also just thought of an alternative: We could just vote no lynch, go into the night with the 4 of us so that the game will still continue tomorrow, and just see what happens at night. CA would, of course, pretty much choose who gets to live, if one of us is indeed scum.
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the fact you keep saying this, when there is ZERO chance I am regular scum, and a very small chance I am SK, and the best you can come up with is a "we think there might be a restriction we can't figure out" isn't making you look pro-town.Shiryu wrote: Again, I believe CA to be pro-town, so from my point of view, BJ is the man to lynch today..
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I don't believe you to be scum either, BJ. And there is a good chance that MoS is scum instead. The thing is, I believe MoS DOES have the reflector ability, regardless of if he is scum or not, which is why I see it convenient that he and CA remain alive for the night. Since I've noticed people are usually against voting no lynch, that's why I believe you to be our best option.
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So why not vote mos?Shiryu wrote:I don't believe you to be scum either, BJ. And there is a good chance that MoS is scum instead. The thing is, I believe MoS DOES have the reflector ability, regardless of if he is scum or not, which is why I see it convenient that he and CA remain alive for the night. Since I've noticed people are usually against voting no lynch, that's why I believe you to be our best option.
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Because the way I see it, MoS's ability both helps and hurts him. It protects him from investigations, and he can't be killed, while also allowing docs to protect themselves. Again, i see it convenient that MoS and CA remain alive for the night.
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ok, so hypothetically, you lynch me, and all 3 of you live again tomorrow. Who do you lynch?Shiryu wrote:Because the way I see it, MoS's ability both helps and hurts him. It protects him from investigations, and he can't be killed, while also allowing docs to protect themselves. Again, i see it convenient that MoS and CA remain alive for the night.
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I realize I'm narrowing my views here, but the way I see things, hypothetically, are as follow:
We lynch you. At this point, you might turn out SK and MoS might be innocent, so we win the game. If not, CA will have to make de decision of who to save: Me, or himself, by targeting MoS. The following day, if we are all still alive, I'd suggest lynching MoS.
We lynch you. At this point, you might turn out SK and MoS might be innocent, so we win the game. If not, CA will have to make de decision of who to save: Me, or himself, by targeting MoS. The following day, if we are all still alive, I'd suggest lynching MoS.
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so you think there is no way CA is scum?Shiryu wrote:I realize I'm narrowing my views here, but the way I see things, hypothetically, are as follow:
We lynch you. At this point, you might turn out SK and MoS might be innocent, so we win the game. If not, CA will have to make de decision of who to save: Me, or himself, by targeting MoS. The following day, if we are all still alive, I'd suggest lynching MoS.
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Oh, so no draw game, even if a self-protecting doc gets stuck with scum? Well that changes things somewhat.
To MoS: No, I've never died. I'm actually in the same spot you are, since my rolename has never actually been confirmed.
To CA: There is a chance that CA might be scum, but I've decided to ignore that. Out of possibilities of you being a SK, MoS being scum, and CA being scum, I find this last one to be the least likely, which is why I've decided that, as far as I'm concerned, he is indeed pro-town.
To MoS: No, I've never died. I'm actually in the same spot you are, since my rolename has never actually been confirmed.
To CA: There is a chance that CA might be scum, but I've decided to ignore that. Out of possibilities of you being a SK, MoS being scum, and CA being scum, I find this last one to be the least likely, which is why I've decided that, as far as I'm concerned, he is indeed pro-town.
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why is that??Shiryu wrote: To CA: There is a chance that CA might be scum, but I've decided to ignore that. Out of possibilities of you being a SK, MoS being scum, and CA being scum, I find this last one to be the least likely, which is why I've decided that, as far as I'm concerned, he is indeed pro-town.
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Why do I find CA the least likely to be scum? It's simple, really: His rolename. He's been confirmed as Samantha, which I recall takes care of wheel chair guy in the game, so A) it makes sense that she'd be a doc, and more importantly (to me) B) I just don't see her role having an ability that would make my investigation result be innacurate. Something that can't be said for either you or MoS.
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It's worth noting that even though BJ and I both had our votes on Shiryu a while ago, MoS didn't swoop in for the lynch. This doesn't clear him, but it helps.
He would be looking at a 50-50 chance of winning if he came in for that lynch; he'd have to guess which person I'd try to protect: myself or BJ.
He would be looking at a 50-50 chance of winning if he came in for that lynch; he'd have to guess which person I'd try to protect: myself or BJ.
So yeah, the way I see it, our best moves for today are:
1) Lynch CA, for the reasons I've already stated.
2) Lynch me. Looking at things from your point of view, I'm sort of in the same position as BJ, only a bit worse, since my rolename was never confirmed. Lynching either me or BJ both fall on my assumptions that CA is pro-town, and that MoS has his ability, regardless of what side he's playing. Also worth noting is that, assuming BJ is telling the truth, his role has also turned useless, same as mine.
3) And what would you guys say to a no lynch? I'd like to get your input on this, rather than outright suggesting it, since if I were scum, it would most certainly benefit me. Guess asking about it also looks scummy, but I honestly think it might be an alternative.
1) Lynch CA, for the reasons I've already stated.
2) Lynch me. Looking at things from your point of view, I'm sort of in the same position as BJ, only a bit worse, since my rolename was never confirmed. Lynching either me or BJ both fall on my assumptions that CA is pro-town, and that MoS has his ability, regardless of what side he's playing. Also worth noting is that, assuming BJ is telling the truth, his role has also turned useless, same as mine.
3) And what would you guys say to a no lynch? I'd like to get your input on this, rather than outright suggesting it, since if I were scum, it would most certainly benefit me. Guess asking about it also looks scummy, but I honestly think it might be an alternative.
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