Newbie 1437 - Chocolate Fondue Mafia (Over)

[jmo16mla]

just kidding.
UNVOTE:

[jmo16mla]

How about another shall we?

[jmo16mla]

oh poo.

[DeasVail]

Vote Count 3.03

Mr. Flay (1)- geraintm

Not Voting: The-Duck, Number_0ne, jmo16mla, Mr. Flay

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Deadline

19th November 4pm AEDT. This is in (expired on 2013-11-19 01:00:00)

[jmo16mla]

THIS GAME IS SO INTENSE.

[Mr. Flay]

That was actually clever, jmo.

Regrettably it requires more than two of us to be playing, I think.

[jmo16mla]

This is BS... I cant say this has ever happened.

[jmo16mla]

flay, you killed mindgamer last night. Im really dissapointed in you. Whos your scum partner?

[Mr. Flay]

You.

[jmo16mla]

So you're admitting that I watched correctly?

[geraintm]

Gone to bed, wake up and no posts of importance.
See no reason to move vote.

[The-Duck]

I'm a little bit short on time today, It looks like I'll be having quite some time to be here tomorrow.
Just wanted to drop by and say that I'm not counterclaiming Jmo.

[Mr. Flay]

So you're admitting that I watched correctly?

I don't even... yes, I went nowhere. I have no Night Action. I'm a VT.

You're right that I'm not 100% clear, but if Number_0ne doesn't counterclaim you, you're confTown. I'm about 75% clear because Column C means scum is just two Goons and wouldn't have known they had to dodge a Tracker. I

could

have sent my less-experienced partner out to do the work and not be caught by a JK/Tracker... which is probably what you're worried about. How would 470 prove I was scum if other players did something?

Right now I'm trying to decide if geraintm is an idiot or scum (or both). Fart Bane's behavior doesn't lend any assistance to my decision, but not voting yet on the chance I'm wrong. N1 and Duck's absence for almost a day is suspicious as hell.

Mod:

Can you confirm if scum have daytalk?

[jmo16mla]

Flay, scum never have day talk in newbie games.

[geraintm]

Assuming on other claim,then yeah jmo is town.
I think 75% town is pushing high. If no claim, then you are 100% scum.
Jmo - town
Me - town
If you were town, then both duck and number one are scum and they would have voted for you to get the win to go withmy wrong vote.

As that isn't happening, I am 100% confident I have caught scum.

I realise that to everyone else you aren't all 100% sure I am town. Jmo's tracking should cause you doubts, I would be disappointed if you didn't doubtme, but there will be a huge case of I told you so later.

[jmo16mla]

Or you're scum...

[geraintm]

Yes jmo, I could be scum. Fortunately for me, I know I am town so working out flay is scum is pretty easy if there is no counter claim to you.
Assuming no counter claim, then jmo, duck and number 1 have to decide who is more likely to be scum, me or flay. If there is no counterclaim, then one of us has to be. I am happy that the pressure is off me and you all have to decide.
Oh, and those voting for flay don't automatically become townies, there is every incentive for a scum to vote his buddy off if he is going to go.

[Mr. Flay]

Flay, scum never have day talk in newbie games.

Okay, sample role PMs state outright that there's no daytalk. I just wasn't sure because it's not in the official rules.

geraintm, it's not that simple, with everyone out of the thread so often except jmo and I. Scum may be waiting until both are posting to run the lynch... one voting and the other being absent tends to lead to things like 474/475 catching scum. Not a pretty way to die. So yes, PROBABLY one of us is scum, but it's more like 90, 95%. I don't think anyone will argue that it is one of us (barring shenanigans from Number_One, so can you please unvote just to be sure? Once Number_One is back we can discuss which of us gets to die.

[DeasVail]

Mod: Can you confirm if scum have daytalk?

They don't.

[geraintm]

Flay, I am fairly certain you are now just trying to confuse people.
The other players need to work out a matrix of the 5 of us, start putting in people into roles and see how likely they think the outcomes are.

Assuming there is no counterclaim - that is my assumption now and that means jmo is confirmed town, jmo, number 1 and duck need to role play what happens if various people are scum or not, and see if they believe how it comes out.
I've done it myself, putting in me as town, jmo as town and flay as scum, others need to do so too.

People need to ignore what others are trying to say to confuse you (brining up scum day talk is terrible. To me it just straight up confirms you are scum, no townie would be considering scum day talk, the only person who would be is a caught scum who is desperately thinking of ways to give advice to his partner) just work it out yourself.

[geraintm]

Game is stalled waiting for number 1 and duck to contribute properly. I hope jmo has thought about what he does when those 2 come back, neither counterclaim and he has to think about if he thinks me or flay are scum.

[Number_0ne]

Sorry I haven't been able to contribute much. I'll post later today. For now, I'll just say that I'm VT.

[jmo16mla]

Flay asking if scum have day talk has really bothered me. Along with him thinking he would be hammered with G and the duck being scum partners...

I mean, damn. You like, share site control.. But this isn't an argue about that.

Flay, have you ever played in a newbie game where scum had day talk?

[geraintm]

Ok, number one has not claimed. Jmo is town ( and being night killed tonight, you know that right)
Also, no one has jumped onto the vote, which is what would have happened if neither me or flay was scum.
(I know flay is trying to say that scum would wait till they are both online at the same time to stop the prospect of one voting and then me unvoting, but that is just a likely scenario. I have repeatedly said I am 100% sure flay is scum).
So,one of me or flay is scum, I hope no one disagrees with that. If they do, they really need to say why.

Jmo, I think you are already leaning one way based on the posts of today... Am I right?

[geraintm]

I hope btw post 402 - flay calling for a mass claim - is further evidence of him just being bad today. In itself, it might not look terrible (thoug it was) but when the main person for suspicion was the person calling to out the power rule it just looks so, so bad (to me)