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Lord Mhork (5): Lost Butterfly, BBmolla, uʍop ǝpısdn, Zdenek, Garuda
VoidedMafia (4): morph the cat, zMuffinMan, Harakiri, Klick
Lost Butterfly (4): Pyrotechnics, ProHawk, Lord Mhork, 1baldeagle1
Harakiri (2): Nero Cain, VoidedMafia

Not Voting (6): PeregrineV, Seanald, guille2015, Banakai, Hermy, DoctorPepper

New deadline as of 452 is Wednesday, October 16th at 11:30am EST (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

In post 473, morph the cat wrote:Heh. I'm comforted to know precisely what his win condition is.

what do you think of mork?
i think it's a much better wagon than your voided thing

In post 476, Garuda wrote:

In post 473, morph the cat wrote:Heh. I'm comforted to know precisely what his win condition is.

what do you think of mork?
i think it's a much better wagon than your voided thing

We feel like the Mhork wagon has a slight policy vibe to it, and aren't too happy about that.

But, we're thinking about moving our vote anyway because new deadline.

Yeah I was trying to read quickly 'cause I saw the motion for 'hey guise lynch Mhork' so I think that's slightly more important.

I'm not scum. Also look at where the suspicion was when the deadline thing was popped. If I were scum, why on earth would I suddenly put a deadline hounding down especially with Lost Butterfly hounding me like he's got a guilty. The alternative is that the other scum team is trying to get me lynched, but since this is semi-multiball that implies that they want Lost Butterfly/BBMolla to get me strung up today. If they thought I were a possible scum ally, why would they do that? More likely they see an easy mislynch opportunity because Butterfly is tunneling me into oblivion.

In any event, I doubt this rationale is gonna be enough to convince you, so I'll just throw out a full claim:

I have Medium x3. I won it for $3 which came as a shock to me as I put down $20, though I guess that I overestimated its usefulness due to not completely reading it.
I also bid $50 on Cop 'cause I figured it would be a strong bid, which it wasn't, and I bid $30 on Gravedigger 'cause I thought it sounded cool. My current balance is $89.

So yeah. I'm not scum. We should actually try to hit scum.

PEDIT:
I don't even know why this wagon on me is a thing except for Lost Butterfly and his confirmation bias and I don't think I can actually win the argument against him before he forces my mislynch.

In post 470, Garuda wrote:This was awkward. Why didn't you just vote for yourself in your first post?

The first post was made by me, and the other post was made by Nati.

Also Operation sheep Nacho go!

Why are you still voting me. I'm not scum. You people are being stupid.

Hmmm. I quite liked that, morky!

I'm also feeling a bit better.

Thanks for the 20 pages...

I'm halfway through reading everything, will post whenever I'm done.

Cabd, give me your prohawk read. He seems pretty town to me!

In post 459, Klick wrote:What the hell.

So, the game is already 19 pages long, and I only have three days to read it?

Hmmmm.

In post 230, Seanald wrote:9 pages already, guys go fuck your selves seriously. ill see you day 2 thanks.

Hmmmmmm.

UNVOTE: Lord Mhork

Hope Faraday doesn't mind (he's away in Niagara Falls), but I'm extremely uncomfortable being on this wagon now.

In post 476, Garuda wrote:

In post 473, morph the cat wrote:Heh. I'm comforted to know precisely what his win condition is.

what do you think of mork?
i think it's a much better wagon than your voided thing

Were you aware that your slot was voting Voidedmafia for most of the game before this?

Also, was your "I like this" in response to Mhork's claim? What are your current thoughts on Mhork?

(EBWOP: I apparently can't read. I'm still confused by your post, though. You like it, but you still feel okay about voting him? Could you elaborate, please?)

In post 484, Garuda wrote:Cabd, give me your prohawk read. He seems pretty town to me!

Cabd isn't around, but he and I discussed prohawk earlier.

We feel like he's kinda avoiding the thread atm. And we didn't like that his major contribution to the game last night was a pretty much gratuitous injection of morph-fery meta wifom.

Your thinking he seems town is making me feel a little squinty-eyed.

That said...

In post 478, Lord Mhork wrote:Yeah I was trying to read quickly 'cause I saw the motion for 'hey guise lynch Mhork' so I think that's slightly more important.

I'm not scum. Also look at where the suspicion was when the deadline thing was popped. If I were scum, why on earth would I suddenly put a deadline hounding down especially with Lost Butterfly hounding me like he's got a guilty. The alternative is that the other scum team is trying to get me lynched, but since this is semi-multiball that implies that they want Lost Butterfly/BBMolla to get me strung up today. If they thought I were a possible scum ally, why would they do that? More likely they see an easy mislynch opportunity because Butterfly is tunneling me into oblivion.

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I don't even know why this wagon on me is a thing except for Lost Butterfly and his confirmation bias and I don't think I can actually win the argument against him before he forces my mislynch.

The actual early claim, complaints of powerlessness against a more charismatic player, and outrage over being mislynched I liked. But leaving aside that the scum half with deadline probably didn't give two tosses to your alignment (and if they suspect you, they might be pushing for a Voided wagon instead), why are you interacting with us as though you think we're misguided town? You apparently have a scum read on us...which you haven't reevaluated despite the fact that your vote was essentially parroting Muffin on my vote being fake...when we've outright admitted since that it was fake. But you keep talking about how we're We're doing the job of scum . So apparently, you think there's actual conviction behind our read. That's leaving aside that I don't really think we were tunneling on you (although granted, Faraday was using lots of rhetoric, and the target of a case is more likely to feel unfairly maligned).

Also, why are you singling out us on your wagon? Lots and lots of people suspect you; us, I understand, but BBmolla's push hasn't been very forceful or persuasive (it's literally "Mhork is on the opposite scumteam as LB...sure, okay, LB, I'll vote Mhork with you!"), and no one is sheeping him on Mhork here (no offence, BBmolla).

Garuda, why do you think ProHawk is town? He's a suspect of mine, and although his ISO wasn't as bad as I remembered, he's definitely not . (Preview-edit: ninja'd by Garuda.)

...EBWOP: ninja'd by Morph.

I feel like the site rules against editing posts should be waived in my case.

In post 9, morph the cat wrote:Instead I get to sit here watching as morph breaks the streak of fucking towns up.

I'm not quite so sure that this is gonna happen

In post 10, Pyrotechnics wrote:We lost the bid for neighborizer. I submit that whoever won it needs to claim it so that we can evaluate them. Also, I don't see neighborizer in the abilities not yet auctioned, so I *think* from what I've read it won't show up again, but if it does or can be advertised it's something that we shouldn't do.

We also lost the bid for neighborizer.

In post 15, Lost Butterfly wrote:We got Investigation Immune! I can't believe it was so cheap. We even bid $80 on it to keep it out of scum's hands.

Why didn't you go for Neighborizer?

In post 23, 1baldeagle1 wrote:

In post 22, Pyrotechnics wrote:

In post 21, 1baldeagle1 wrote:

In post 19, Pyrotechnics wrote:We only started with $100. All of those items went for over $100.

Ah, scum gets more money? Lame.

Last game scum could pool their money for bids, so yeah.

So basically, anyone else that did win something aren't scum?

Like Butterfly's post.

This seems like an insanely crazy assumption, but one of those crazy town assumptions as opposed to a crazy scum assumption.

In post 54, Lord Mhork wrote:Oh wow that's actually a really good point. Pyro just jumped up, like, three town notches for me.

That wasn't that good of a point at all?

In post 82, BBmolla wrote:Mina you guys left or right scum?

I liked Molla being aggressive with Mina early.

In post 108, Voidedmafia wrote:I largely adverted EV for myself. Had thought of the possibility for better people than me to get it, but largely for myself (and to make sure scum didn't advert or get it later).

Why?

In post 129, morph the cat wrote:

In post 118, 1baldeagle1 wrote:

In post 116, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:is that a case or just a quote of every post they've made?

The latter is called ISO.

Yes, I went through his posts and it was

mostly just claiming/questions/answering questions and trying to derail his own wagon.

What is it about a player doing the bolded that strikes you as scummy?

This doesn't seem like you're trying to figure him out; it seems like you're trying to help him play better.

In post 213, morph the cat wrote:I'd like to state for the record that this shit you do about calling yourself obvtown really does no good here, tammy.

It's part of who she is. Why do you want her to change who she is?

In post 230, Seanald wrote:9 pages already, guys go fuck your selves seriously. ill see you day 2 thanks.

I could so happily flashwagon this.
9 pages isn't shit and certainly isn't an excuse to lurk for an entire day. I would probably be happier if he complained and then disappeared, honestly.

In post 254, morph the cat wrote:Nuh uh.

I bet we're 50/50 postwise.

And yet cabd is the only one that's doing anything.

In post 394, Pyrotechnics wrote:16 pages in and I have no hopes of synergy like that happening here.

This seems pessimistic.

In post 429, morph the cat wrote:occasional pot shots at me, and declare at random that nacho is scum?

His potshots in this game have been better, at least.

In post 456, morph the cat wrote:Aside from the lynch what else should we try to accomplish? We've talked about sharing what we advertised on N0.

Go forward with that?

I liked this quite a bit, actually.

In post 478, Lord Mhork wrote:I bid $30 on Gravedigger 'cause I thought it sounded cool.

i liked this, felt honest.

In post 487, Lost Butterfly wrote:Were you aware that your slot was voting Voidedmafia for most of the game before this?

Yep. Empire is harassing me about it now.
I think that him thinking you guys are town is good "scumhunting for one team" evidence. He hasn't brought up anything else that I liked, though.

In post 487, Lost Butterfly wrote:Also, was your "I like this" in response to Mhork's claim? What are your current thoughts on Mhork?

It wasn't, it was to the bit of frustration directed at Sakura. My current thought on Mhork are that I think he is town and am not particularly interested in lynching him. His claim was pretty cool too, although it was odd someone advertised Medium but didn't actually put anything into it.

In post 489, Lost Butterfly wrote:(EBWOP: I apparently can't read. I'm still confused by your post, though. You like it, but you still feel okay about voting him? Could you elaborate, please?)

Yeah, I'm looking for a place I want to vote.

In post 490, morph the cat wrote:We feel like he's kinda avoiding the thread atm.

How?

In post 490, morph the cat wrote:And we didn't like that his major contribution to the game last night was a pretty much gratuitous injection of morph-fery meta wifom.

I don't understand where this happened. He usually gets paranoid of you in one way or the other.

In post 465, Pyrotechnics wrote:

In post 458, 1baldeagle1 wrote:Lol, whoever did that is probably scum. Which sucks, because we still have a few people who haven't post at all. But, the good advantage is, we get waaaaaay more money, so scum is practically giving us money.

I didn't advertise on N0. What we really need, is people to start talking.

P-Edit: So LB is town because I'm pushing for his lynch? I think he's scummy. Yeah, I don't like that read for calling him town.

I don't think we get more money though. We only get more money if we lynch before deadline, since the deadline was moved up, we're not lynching early.

Yeah, you're right. We get $10 maximum now.

In post 462, Klick wrote:VOTE: VoidedMafia

Instead of just voting, post your thoughts. You're better than this.

In post 478, Lord Mhork wrote:Yeah I was trying to read quickly 'cause I saw the motion for 'hey guise lynch Mhork' so I think that's slightly more important.

I'm not scum. Also look at where the suspicion was when the deadline thing was popped. If I were scum, why on earth would I suddenly put a deadline hounding down especially with Lost Butterfly hounding me like he's got a guilty. The alternative is that the other scum team is trying to get me lynched, but since this is semi-multiball that implies that they want Lost Butterfly/BBMolla to get me strung up today. If they thought I were a possible scum ally, why would they do that? More likely they see an easy mislynch opportunity because Butterfly is tunneling me into oblivion.

In any event, I doubt this rationale is gonna be enough to convince you, so I'll just throw out a full claim:

I have Medium x3. I won it for $3 which came as a shock to me as I put down $20, though I guess that I overestimated its usefulness due to not completely reading it.
I also bid $50 on Cop 'cause I figured it would be a strong bid, which it wasn't, and I bid $30 on Gravedigger 'cause I thought it sounded cool. My current balance is $89.

So yeah. I'm not scum. We should actually try to hit scum.

PEDIT:
I don't even know why this wagon on me is a thing except for Lost Butterfly and his confirmation bias and I don't think I can actually win the argument against him before he forces my mislynch.

This is a good post.

In post 479, Harakiri wrote:

In post 470, Garuda wrote:This was awkward. Why didn't you just vote for yourself in your first post?

The first post was made by me, and the other post was made by Nati.

Also Operation sheep Nacho go!

Unvote
Vote: Mhork

This is bad and you should feel bad.

In post 483, Hermy wrote:Thanks for the 20 pages...

I'm halfway through reading everything, will post whenever I'm done.

Looking forward to your catchup post.

Mhork gained some townpoints after that post. Voided ignored my question about his so called townread on LB. Tbh, I'm starting to believe that Voided is just WKing LB, so when we lynch LB, he flips town and Voided gets some towncred. I have past experiences with scum WKing me, so there's that. If anyone wants to see the game where there was a whole bunch of WKing going on by scum (I was town in that game and I lost). It's Newbie 1414 on my wiki.

VOTE: VoidedMafia

EBWOP:

You apparently have a scum read on us...which you haven't reevaluated despite the fact that your vote was essentially parroting Muffin et al on my vote being fake...when we've outright admitted since that it was fake.

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...which you haven't reevaluated despite the fact that your vote yadda yadda on my fake.

This is actually getting pretty ridiculous.

Oh, I like this Mhork post:

In post 241, Lord Mhork wrote:@Lost Butterfly:
I don't think you're town. I think you're an asshole. And your assholeness is getting in the way of me trying to figure out your alignment. Usually when I lynch an asshole, he flips town, but you seem like the kind of guy who's an asshole town or scum. So I'm gonna wait to see what you do while I pursue other people. Like Seanald who I remember being fairly transparent as scum.

Can you explain why exactly you thought this, though:

In post 54, Lord Mhork wrote:Oh wow that's actually a really good point. Pyro just jumped up, like, three town notches for me.

This is the post from Pyro, and it's really, really banal (not to mention untrue):

In post 53, Pyrotechnics wrote:

In post 41, 1baldeagle1 wrote:I bidded $20 on it. I tried to go for cop as well, but I didn't win it. (I spent $40 on cop). I didn't want to spend too much money.

P-Edit: No, scum will kill the neighborzier.

Why would they? Scum are going to kill the most town person no matter what their role.

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BBmolla, a response to my questions on you from before would be nice.

In post 52, ProHawk wrote:

In post 21, 1baldeagle1 wrote: Ah, scum gets more money? Lame.

^ This Isn't Nearly As Fake As V

In post 15, Lost Butterfly wrote:We got Investigation Immune! I can't believe it was so cheap. We even bid $80 on it to keep it out of scum's hands.

VOTE: Lost Butterfly

This push felt great, actually. It was a push on something that actually was fake (always helps) and it seemed like a post prohawk was probably gonna attack.

In post 151, ProHawk wrote:

In post 145, morph the cat wrote:This is why voided is scum btw.

On a scale of 1-10?

In post 162, ProHawk wrote:

In post 155, morph the cat wrote:

In post 151, ProHawk wrote:

In post 145, morph the cat wrote:This is why voided is scum btw.

On a scale of 1-10?

I'll let ffery talk about her reasons but for me it's around a 6 or 7.

Sounds like you both are scum-reading him then. You not voting is making me worry.

His thought process is pretty clear here, and I think that Cabd holding onto his vote was pretty strange, especially after #145. You calling his attack on you "meta-wifom" seems a bit like discrediting him, which I find weird after our "people need to listen to prohawk more" discussion.

In post 493, Garuda wrote:

In post 129, morph the cat wrote:

In post 118, 1baldeagle1 wrote:

In post 116, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:is that a case or just a quote of every post they've made?

The latter is called ISO.

Yes, I went through his posts and it was

mostly just claiming/questions/answering questions and trying to derail his own wagon.

What is it about a player doing the bolded that strikes you as scummy?

This doesn't seem like you're trying to figure him out; it seems like you're trying to help him play better.

That's correct. We felt like we had a decent enough early town read on baldeagle at that point, and were hoping to get him to rethink some of his case on Lost Butterfly.

In post 254, morph the cat wrote:Nuh uh.

I bet we're 50/50 postwise.

And yet cabd is the only one that's doing anything.

I wonder why you think this.

In post 429, morph the cat wrote:occasional pot shots at me, and declare at random that nacho is scum?

His potshots in this game have been better, at least.

True.

In post 456, morph the cat wrote:Aside from the lynch what else should we try to accomplish? We've talked about sharing what we advertised on N0.

Go forward with that?

I liked this quite a bit, actually.

nah, I'm not doing anything.

In post 490, morph the cat wrote:We feel like he's kinda avoiding the thread atm.

How?

Mostly Cabd's awareness of when Prohawk is usually active.

In post 490, morph the cat wrote:And we didn't like that his major contribution to the game last night was a pretty much gratuitous injection of morph-fery meta wifom.

I don't understand where this happened. He usually gets paranoid of you in one way or the other.

I got a different impression from the Cash Cabd game. I had an expectation that certain decisions I made would bother him. He was far more bothered by my expectation than by the decisions/behaviors.

Maybe you remember commenting in neighborhood convo that he might not have put together the beginnings of a case on me/GiF because he was planning to NK us.

Like Mhurk Wagon, don't like Voided wagon. Mainly focused on sorting Cabd/ffery, Nacho/Empire, and Zmuffin right now.

I'm half paying attention to the thread--letting Sakura handle it until Pokemon Fever dies down.

In post 496, Garuda wrote:

In post 52, ProHawk wrote:

In post 21, 1baldeagle1 wrote: Ah, scum gets more money? Lame.

^ This Isn't Nearly As Fake As V

In post 15, Lost Butterfly wrote:We got Investigation Immune! I can't believe it was so cheap. We even bid $80 on it to keep it out of scum's hands.

VOTE: Lost Butterfly

This push felt great, actually. It was a push on something that actually was fake (always helps) and it seemed like a post prohawk was probably gonna attack.

In post 151, ProHawk wrote:

In post 145, morph the cat wrote:This is why voided is scum btw.

On a scale of 1-10?

In post 162, ProHawk wrote:

In post 155, morph the cat wrote:

In post 151, ProHawk wrote:

In post 145, morph the cat wrote:This is why voided is scum btw.

On a scale of 1-10?

I'll let ffery talk about her reasons but for me it's around a 6 or 7.

Sounds like you both are scum-reading him then. You not voting is making me worry.

His thought process is pretty clear here, and I think that Cabd holding onto his vote was pretty strange, especially after #145. You calling his attack on you "meta-wifom" seems a bit like discrediting him, which I find weird after our "people need to listen to prohawk more" discussion.

Division of labor. For now, I'm focusing on reads and where our vote is. Cabd is focusing on game mechanics. And we're braindumping and crosschecking.

I decided when our vote hit the thread,