Hey nowIn post 471, Angry Frat BROs wrote:votehimvotehimvotehimvotehimvotehimvotehimvotehimvotehimvotehimvotehimvotehimvotehimvotehimvotehimvotehim
Dan might be mafia. his posts look sort of town, but I'm not seeing Dan-town specifically here.
He doesn't seem as certain as you and I could imagine his mind changingIn post 456, zMuffinMan wrote:first, this is... like... a borderline fucking retarded answer. "you're sure pieguy is scum and it's too early to be sure of anything so you're scum, but pieguy being sure of you and mastin doesn't mean anything because he's presenting an argument!"ceph wrote:pieguy is presenting an argument
like, really? that's how you defend your stance here?
second, so what? do you think scum is more or less likely to try to blend in by making up reasons for their suspicion? and if you respond by saying something along the lines of "WIFOM", i'm just going to ignore you for the rest of the game. your reads are awful
also, saying pieguy is presenting an "argument" is meh, especially when the basis for his "argument" is similar to the reasons mastin was wagoned in xenogears
Not without being able to explain it to my satisfaction and in a largeIn post 463, zMuffinMan wrote:i was thinking about thisceph wrote:Muffin can be scum just for being this sure of anything before page 20
have you never seen people be sure of a read before p20?
I just looked at those posts again and I still don't see much more than 'because meta'. If you want me to believe you you're going to have to explain the differences to me more carefully. I'm shit at meta but I accept summaries. You probably won't convince me pie is scum or mastin is town but you might convince me you aren't scum.In post 470, zMuffinMan wrote:also how much of my posts are you reading? because i have pretty clearly explained where the read on pieguy comes from here, here and hereceph wrote:not yelling "X is town Y is scum nothing will change my mind about this"
just because i'm not breaking down every single post he makes and explaining why he's scum because of it, doesn't mean i don't have reasons to think he's scum.
it is largely a meta-based read. there are differences in how he plays as scum and town, and i am pretty sure this is his scum game. i don't really expect anyone to be convinced by me saying this, but you can compare and contrast how he talks in games he's town yourself (if you're any good at reading tone and attitude, and i don't think you are based on your current reads, so maybe it's a long shot you'll actually be able to do this)
this man is srsbzns
This is scum. Lynch this.In post 478, Cephrir wrote:I have no idea what AFB is doing or why but that seems to be the name of this game. Besides, we wouldn't be playing mafia if I wasn't a D1 wagon, so I guess we might as well get it out of the way now.
dunno if I should treat that as RVSbantz or not. think I may just do that and hope he's town.what is the purpose of this line of questioning, pieguy? because the way I see it is you solidifying a scumread on mastin then asking him for a read which doesn't really make sense?holy fuck you really are scum
vote: mastin
also, where are you currently at with zmuffin?
AFB is town because this is their towngame through-and-through. Their mindset is town, their posting is town, and critically, their thought process largely matches up with my own. Their insights look like solid scumhunting, and overall, I don't see any manipulation in their posting.In post 381, Cephrir wrote:You have yet to give any reason for thinking AFB and sangres are town despite having been asked multiple times. And frankly I don't think you can, the latter in particular have done precisely nothing unfakeable or actually even particularly town on a surface level.
It's not quite Nacho but not quite ffery, lingering somewhere between.)Egos aside, yes, the wagon on me is scum. Not nearly as scum-filled as my ego wants it to be, but the wagon on me is, simply put, objectively bad. The speed of the wagon is bad, the reasoning behind it is pretty dang weak, most of the players on it are people I cast suspicion onto (making their votes largely OMGUSy), and beyond that, are acting suspicious in areas other than their vote on me, anyway.Your wagon is scum? What an original insight!
The reasoning is because of your interaction with Kaze. Aegor's looked like it could be from a scumbuddy. (I am now thinking Kaze and Aegor are both town.) Yours looked like it came from scum, buddying town.There's still no reason for your stupid kaze-me-aegor dichotomy and you seem to think ignoring me will make that fact go away.
Because he's probably scum?In post 391, macmollie wrote:cephir why you so cranky
Thing is, you're pushing the idea that I'm not being transparent with these things, that I'm not mentioning the doubt, but the thing about that is...well...it's kinda obvious. I haven't been mentioning the doubt specificallyIn post 416, pieguyn wrote:DESPITE knowing you're likely wrong, you make no mention of this whatsoever, and instead DECLARE A LYNCH POOL 24 HOURS INTO THE GAME. whereas a town you would take extra care to make sure everyone knows your reads might be all wrong, explicitly because there's a good chance they're all wrong. you have said before that town wins by maintaining a high level of transparency and a high flow of information. *blahblahextraranting*
Indeed. Though that post is admittedly a much better display, it is still not his town self. Not even close.In post 418, zMuffinMan wrote:pieguy still not town
On the contrary, I am constantly changing my mind on everything. Continuously passing "judgment", every time I post, every day I read, at all times, continuing to update. That doesn't mean I change my judgments every time; my townreads on zMuff/MafiaSSK/AFB/Sangres don't waver nor does my scumread on pie. But I'm not turning a blind eye to their posting, contrary to what you're saying.In post 425, Metal Sonic wrote:Unlike Mastin who judges immediately and is probably wrong/scum
It's...kinda difficult to explain. It's not so much lurking, but basically...a town SSK is a player generally underestimated, who makes good analysis and good insight for those paying attention. That, he's showed. Its absence is his scumgame. Basically, town-him is analytical; scum-him is survivalistic. This is not him surviving. But I think this is a very poor explanation of it. Just...read some of his town games and compare them to his scum games. They're nothing alike.In post 448, Skullduggery wrote:What does Scum SSK look like? For those of us who aren't so intimately familiar with his meta, what should we be looking for?
Yes, because it was one likely formed by scum, in contrast to ours.In post 462, zMuffinMan wrote:that masonry didn't last long
Cephrir is probably scum, yes, but not certainly scum. For me, that's pie. What do you think of him?In post 466, Angry Frat BROs wrote:VOTE: Cephrir
All aboard that scum wagon.
P-edit: Join me, bus for cred before its too late.
Get out of my head. >_<In post 471, Angry Frat BROs wrote:Dan might be mafia. his posts look sort of town, but I'm not seeing Dan-town specifically here.
(This is probably because pie is scum and kaze likely-town.)In post 482, macmollie wrote:pie/kaze back & forth is strange. not so much kaze's posting but pies, especially agreeing with kaze about brian so quickly when his line of question appeared to be questioning kaze on his brian vote. plus I'm not so sure about the "scum are more aware of supersaints" theory he seems to be floating around in this series of posts.
Basically, this is Skull's towngame. Skull's post might not have done much, but read the tone behind it--it was town trying to do something, rather than scum fully aware they were doing nothing.Skull's first wall post in #57 doesn't really do much, doesn't ask alot of probing questions, just doesn't tickle my fancy. not sure why there are townreads being dished out there?
Because you're town?mastin how the hell did you townread us off one freakin' post holy shit? that's a cause for concern.
Like I said. I'm reasonably certain this is your towngame, and that your entrance was town. One post, ten posts, doesn't matter.In post 280, mastin2 wrote:It feels like Walking Dead and that one New York game, not Pinkmin?In post 272, Cabd wrote:No, YOU need to give me one of your patented walls'o'text telling me what the baseline for dantown and danscum entry posts is; and how specifically this matches the town baseline more. This is a team game, not a "stroke mastin's inflated ego" game.
Like. That's what I've got. That it felt like his more casual scumhunting self, not his scum self.
In post 375, mastin2 wrote:I take back my ActionDan townread, by the way, on grounds of him being a lurker.
This is not a natural progression of reads.In post 483, mastin2 wrote:Get out of my head. >_<In post 471, Angry Frat BROs wrote:Dan might be mafia. his posts look sort of town, but I'm not seeing Dan-town specifically here.
This isn't a thing. You must be joking.In post 422, zMuffinMan wrote:Post #416 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:44 pm
Post #417 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:44 pm
you should have spaced this out by like at least 5 minutes, pie
rookie scum mistake
I really don't think you sound so hot right now.In post 438, zMuffinMan wrote: the difference is that i'm town and you're not
it's funny watching how you react
I don't really agree with this line of thinking. I've been sure of scum from page 1(and correct) a few times. Sometimes it just clicks.In post 441, Cephrir wrote:Muffin can be scum just for being this sure of anything before page 20, particularly something nonsensical.
Activity.In post 448, Skullduggery wrote:What does Scum SSK look like? For those of us who aren't so intimately familiar with his meta, what should we be looking for?
Oh my God. What the fuck are you doing?In post 450, Metal Sonic wrote:also i just iso'd myself and it is shitty lmao!
So adamant. Anything's possible, you know.In post 451, Aegor wrote:I understand your metaphor completely. I simply completely reject the notion that scum would not join the wagon.
I'm not sure how I feel about your confrontational attitude here.In post 455, Skullduggery wrote:So you don't care whether anyone else believes your laughable case on me? What are you going to do, lynch me all by yourself? You have fun with that.
Really?
?In post 469, Angry Frat BROs wrote:Mollie is confirmed town.
I can see this.In post 483, mastin2 wrote:(Also, MS is scum for this post.)
I don't quite see this.In post 483, mastin2 wrote:(Also, Skull's ridiculously town. Like, seriously, RIDICULOUSLY town.)
I get how you can think this about AFB now but I still think the read was premature.In post 483, mastin2 wrote:AFB is town because this is their towngame through-and-through. Their mindset is town, their posting is town, and critically, their thought process largely matches up with my own. Their insights look like solid scumhunting, and overall, I don't see any manipulation in their posting.In post 381, Cephrir wrote:You have yet to give any reason for thinking AFB and sangres are town despite having been asked multiple times. And frankly I don't think you can, the latter in particular have done precisely nothing unfakeable or actually even particularly town on a surface level.
Sangres is town mostly because of their interactions with others. I pick up the exact same feeling of them that I did in Walking Dead, in that they're being town, but in their more subtle way. Their posting could have manipulation in it, but doesn't feel like it does; it feels more like the type of analysis that comes from a ffery/Nacho hybrid style. (And, yes, their posting does come across as exactly what they're a hydra of.
You are not the voice of objectivity. Don't pretend to be.In post 483, mastin2 wrote:Egos aside, yes, the wagon on me is scum. Not nearly as scum-filled as my ego wants it to be, but the wagon on me is, simply put, objectively bad. The speed of the wagon is bad, the reasoning behind it is pretty dang weak, most of the players on it are people I cast suspicion onto (making their votes largely OMGUSy), and beyond that, are acting suspicious in areas other than their vote on me, anyway.Your wagon is scum? What an original insight!
Okay butIn post 483, mastin2 wrote:The reasoning is because of your interaction with Kaze. Aegor's looked like it could be from a scumbuddy. (I am now thinking Kaze and Aegor are both town.) Yours looked like it came from scum, buddying town.There's still no reason for your stupid kaze-me-aegor dichotomy and you seem to think ignoring me will make that fact go away.
I get emotional when I feel like no one is listening to me.In post 483, mastin2 wrote:Because he's probably scum?In post 391, macmollie wrote:cephir why you so cranky
Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy nottttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttIn post 483, mastin2 wrote:Indeed. Though that post is admittedly a much better display, it is still not his town self. Not even close.In post 418, zMuffinMan wrote:pieguy still not town
You keep insisting your reads are open to change but you also keep stating these reads that aren't going to change, some of which have minimal basis (I would keep complaining about townreading mafiassk on 2 useless posts but obviously no one cares and theyre content to let you just say 'lolmeta')In post 483, mastin2 wrote:On the contrary, I am constantly changing my mind on everything. Continuously passing "judgment", every time I post, every day I read, at all times, continuing to update. That doesn't mean I change my judgments every time; my townreads on zMuff/MafiaSSK/AFB/Sangres don't waver nor does my scumread on pie. But I'm not turning a blind eye to their posting, contrary to what you're saying.In post 425, Metal Sonic wrote:Unlike Mastin who judges immediately and is probably wrong/scum
(Also, MS is scum for this post.)
And... you call what he's done so far good analysis?In post 483, mastin2 wrote:It's...kinda difficult to explain. It's not so much lurking, but basically...a town SSK is a player generally underestimated, who makes good analysis and good insight for those paying attention. That, he's showed. Its absence is his scumgame. Basically, town-him is analytical; scum-him is survivalistic. This is not him surviving. But I think this is a very poor explanation of it. Just...read some of his town games and compare them to his scum games. They're nothing alike.In post 448, Skullduggery wrote:What does Scum SSK look like? For those of us who aren't so intimately familiar with his meta, what should we be looking for?
(Also, Skull's ridiculously town. Like, seriously, RIDICULOUSLY town.)
This isn't an answerIn post 483, mastin2 wrote:Because you're town?mastin how the hell did you townread us off one freakin' post holy shit? that's a cause for concern.
=/In post 485, Kazekirimaru wrote:I don't really agree with this line of thinking. I've been sure of scum from page 1(and correct) a few times. Sometimes it just clicks.In post 441, Cephrir wrote:Muffin can be scum just for being this sure of anything before page 20, particularly something nonsensical.
Yeah I missed how bad this was the first timeIn post 485, Kazekirimaru wrote:So adamant. Anything's possible, you know.In post 451, Aegor wrote:I understand your metaphor completely. I simply completely reject the notion that scum would not join the wagon.
In post 484, Cabd wrote:This is not a natural progression of reads.
In post 482, macmollie wrote:mastin how the hell did you townread us off one freakin' post holy shit? that's a cause for concern.
Talk about your Mastin read, plz.In post 488, Angry Frat BROs wrote:In post 484, Cabd wrote:This is not a natural progression of reads.In post 482, macmollie wrote:mastin how the hell did you townread us off one freakin' post holy shit? that's a cause for concern.
Nacho was around right at the start of the game day. Not since page 2. Anyone trying to read Sangres via Nacho meta is on the wrong track right now.In post 486, Cephrir wrote:This paragraph about sangres is a lot of words that don't say very much. But suffice to say I don't agree, not to mention I don't think Nacho is even here yet? Also, would it be scummy if they didn't sound like a combination between themselves? I mean, yes, if Nacho was posting and ffery wasn't I would probably vote them, but in a void.
Well between Mac, Myself, and You, we have a 2/3rds majority so your veto can go eat shit.In post 488, Angry Frat BROs wrote:In post 484, Cabd wrote:This is not a natural progression of reads.In post 482, macmollie wrote:mastin how the hell did you townread us off one freakin' post holy shit? that's a cause for concern.
In post 492, sangres wrote:Maybe Town:
Metal Sonic <----rely on varsoon to sort if varsoon-town; but this very well could be a fuzzy 1525 again
Cephrir* <---people keep debating this I say town
Kaze <---meh
Varsoon <---I refuse to sort him, his playstyle and mine clash so hard it's hard to get a read
Mastin2* <---I think he drew scum for srs
Metal Sonic - I'm thinking more Perpetual MYLO, actually.In post 494, Cabd wrote:In post 492, sangres wrote:Maybe Town:
Metal Sonic <----rely on varsoon to sort if varsoon-town; but this very well could be a fuzzy 1525 again
Cephrir* <---people keep debating this I say town
Kaze <---meh
Varsoon <---I refuse to sort him, his playstyle and mine clash so hard it's hard to get a read
Mastin2* <---I think he drew scum for srs
No, it was him not fucking shutting up about calling himself obvious town that had me PV him.In post 495, sangres wrote:Mastin - I know you do. I want to go back and look at Imperishable Night. I seem to remember that it was his wishywashy attitude toward our slot during late day 1 that you didn't like.
It did say a lot. It doesn't matter that Nacho's not here, yet. People in hydra tend to pick up trends of their partners, often without realizing it. (I often do so intentionally, though. I became a MUCH stronger player when I intentionally faked being Nacho, and became more like him as an eventual result.In post 486, Cephrir wrote:This paragraph about sangres is a lot of words that don't say very much. But suffice to say I don't agree, not to mention I don't think Nacho is even here yet? Also, would it be scummy if they didn't sound like a combination between themselves? I mean, yes, if Nacho was posting and ffery wasn't I would probably vote them, but in a void.
) sangres is not ffery, despite ffery being the one doing the posting. It's sangres, which is ffery plus Nacho. And I said that they were sounding like a combo of their town selves--not a combo of their scum selves. (Granted, have never seen ffery's scum self.)Well, Aegor's posting didn't look like scum-buddying-town, and yours did. If Aegor was buddying, it'd have been scum-buddying-scum, and if so, then you couldn't be scum-buddying-town and your posting didn't look like scum-buddying-scum. I said this already. As for why...just general feeling of your interaction with him? Like, when I see your posting towards him...I don't see a town player naturally vibing with another town player. I see what looks to be scum manipulating.Okay butwhat about it looked like scum buddying townand how does that make Aegor's alignment dependent on mine
Gonna steal zMuff's train of thought on me, but turned around. There's a fundamental difference in how pie approaches the game as town and as scum, and how his tone comes across as town and as scum. Pie's a lot like me in that regard. And I'm telling you that this is not the town pie I am familiar with. His posts are not analytical; they're a faking of analysis. They're not meant to find scum; they're meant to lynch town and manipulate town. Even without meta (seriously, look his town games up), that'd be a player I'd be suspicious-as-hell of. With it, a sealed deal. Pie is scum. His posting's forced, his emotions are largely faked, and all-in-all, his posts just don't have the same heart as the town-him.Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy nottttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttIn post 483, mastin2 wrote:Indeed. Though that post is admittedly a much better display, it is still not his town self. Not even close.In post 418, zMuffinMan wrote:pieguy still not town
Yeah? They're not mutually exclusive.You keep insisting your reads are open to change but you also keep stating these reads that aren't going to change, some of which have minimal basis.
My reads can change, have changed, and will continue to evolve. My reads fit the evidence, not the other way around. That doesn't mean they're going to always change, though, because the evidence sometimes doesn't change.Yep!And... you call what he's done so far good analysis?
I actually quite like your townreads and maybe-scumreads. (I don't think Aegor's scum anymore, though.) But your null/maybe town lists could use some adjustment. MafiaSSK is town. Trust me on that one. zMuffinman is also town; this is not his scum game. PieIn post 492, sangres wrote:Town:
AFB
Skullduggery
Cabd
Orcinus
Brian Skies
MacMollie*
Maybe Town:
Metal Sonic
Cephrir*
Kaze
Varsoon
Mastin2*
Null:
MafiaSSK
zmuffin*
pieguyn
Kagami – might move her down because she's pretty damn inactive looking
Maybe Scum:
Aegor
Venmar
Flandre Scarlett
* reads I particularly want to discuss with Nacho
I'm working through my null pile to see if I can move some of them up or down.
This is not a seriatim list.
