Mini 1552 - Paranoia [GAME OVER]


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Post Post #475 (ISO) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:06 pm

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dessew wrote:I don't really get how you can possibly think that Muffin (or Kovara) is town. Scum's aim is to derail town and that's exactly what they're doing. I thought that Guyett was a better player but it seems that only Lambdaelta and Greyice make here any sense (maybe Private.)
this seems like a lot more conviction than you previously had that i'm scum (you went from vaguely agreeing with greyice and LLD to now thinking there is no possible way someone could think i'm town) with no explanation for where this conviction comes from

what exactly are you suggesting i'm derailing, apart from my own lynch? coz while i'd also have reasons to do that as scum, i don't get why you're trying to use it as a point against me

are you going to go into detail about what exactly you agree with in greyice's and lld's points?
privatei wrote:Bravo on your impassioned defense. I definitely feel moved to change my vote
uh huh

no comment on greyice simply repeating his case on me is excellent, no comment on the actual posts where i point out why it's not, just a comment on this one post.

how much of the thread are you actually reading?
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Post Post #476 (ISO) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:12 pm

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also dopog could be scum but probably not scum with dessew or he'd have probably voted for me by now

i don't really get how he was able to form a scum read on privatei for the reasons he gave and was completely unable to form a read on either greyice or myself

and i remember him being more vocal and argumentative in games i've seen him as town
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Post Post #477 (ISO) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:49 am

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My early townreads have been acting town, so not only your scummy behaviour suggests your lynch, but PoE as well. The most likely scumteam is you (Muffin), Kovara and maybe dopog if there's a three-man scumteam. Of course you wanted to derail your lynch, there's nothing wrong with that, but you didn't show any other option that'd actually make sense, thus you were trying to derail the discussion, duh.

If any of you is a bad enough player to want to lynch me despite Muffin's and Kovara's scumminess, please give an intent, so I can claim, I really don't want, though.
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Post Post #478 (ISO) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:05 am

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^^^should claim.
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Post Post #479 (ISO) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:20 am

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...

Claim stalling?

Vote: Dessew


Don't think so.
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Post Post #480 (ISO) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:08 pm

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hey sorry for my atrocious activity this game. These past two weekends have been funny.
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Post Post #481 (ISO) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:47 pm

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Anyway have re-read some of the thread.

And I have a bit more clarity on the "no reads" - specifics as to why there is a wash of a read on both - it's because a lot of the early aggressiveness in the war looks town, especially in the light of what looks like honesty in terms of "ok I will stop and consider what the situation would be like if the other person is town, BUT THEY ARE SCUM" but then byeond that the continual aggression doesn't indivate alignment or motivation (people don't give up), and certain stuff amongst it just irks me. Like the constant rebuttals zmuffin was giving moved into him positing that "oh maybe he's a lyncher" - that doesn't seem particularly town along with the "unlynchable" thing (which I guess is really just "do you believe him or not" although I don't know how much sense it makes). And with greyice I didn't like #268 "assuming police are on my team" - in context of him theorising early on and the my and also how he's not particularly open about how much he believes in his scumreads (aside from muffin) but that may be more playstyle.

Again I believe that it's freaking better to not say "I think they are slight town, maybe" and then work from that standpoint because it's not really true and leads me to confbias oftentimes - when I think about it - especially when my read on you two is more in reality is "I can very clearly see them being either scum or town at this point" and upon re-read that's the same, just more enumerated. Will have to look at stuff in context (other players + interactions, flips, what the players says further into the game) or I guess think about it.

Regarding PrivateI I read his posts and I feel a lot more strongly, then when reading the arguments you had against one another, rooted in how I can't accept people not giving much content when they post, irrespective of frequency. #152, #435, #450 for example are just him talking about stuff. Not saying this means this or whatever. It's just stuff, that doesn't help people read him or show he's trying to read others. And that posting style isn't town motivated, and people who do it shouldn't take a free pass cause of WIFOM or whatever.

I expect desssew to flip scum because of his approach to the muffin wagon btw. Reads to me as if he's attempting to stay consistent (like a "good townie" right) and gradually move onto the wagon. Also I guess hypothesis is that he jumped on to push zmuffin to L-1 because there were probably no scum on the wagon prior. I don't think that's arbitrary, but will think over it some more if he does flip scum.

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Post Post #482 (ISO) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:47 pm

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Post Post #483 (ISO) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:15 pm

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Final Vote Count of Day 1


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Dessew - 6 (Garmr, Guyett, shos, Kovara, MTD, GreyICE)

PrivateI - 1 (dopog)
zMuffinMan - 3 (LadyLambdadelta, PrivateI, Dessew)

Not Voting: zMuffinMan

6 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2014-03-03 14:56:14).
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Post Post #484 (ISO) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:17 pm

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Dessew, Mafia Goon, has been lynched!


It is now "Twilight". We will go to Night 1 in, at most, 24 hours.
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Post Post #485 (ISO) » Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:07 am

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It is now Night 1. Day 2 will start in (expired on 2014-02-25 13:07:24).
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Post Post #486 (ISO) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:17 am

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zMuffinMan died.

Deadline's in a couple weeks or something.

Also, Ms. Marangal replaces Kovara, so you don't have to tell your friends anymore.
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Post Post #487 (ISO) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:24 am

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OMFG
MUFFIN DIED TWICE

so uh grey, remind me what you were saying aboit this flip?

I say that this is prpbably an attempt to make us mislynch you.
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Post Post #488 (ISO) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:53 am

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and Mastin has replaced Garmr right? that should probably be announced again

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I think we are only looking for one more mafia member based on Dessew. Theories of my slot bussing is welcome. Considering that this slot had been a scum-read yesterday, I think I'll be amused my said theories whoever is left with a scum-read on me which, I think may only be Guyett

I'm also gonna go balls out and say that I'm pretty much conf. town at this point which is kinda weird for me and I'm glad that Kovara hadn't gotten swayed from his scum-spects
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Post Post #489 (ISO) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:19 am

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why on earth would you assume that you're conftown.?
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Post Post #490 (ISO) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:37 am

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I believe my comments were that I finally got to hammer a fucking claim staller without having the entire town sit around with their thumbs up their collective asses waiting for them to whip out the latest ridiculous concoction and therefore yesterday was awesome.

Also that mastin thinks shos is scum for some ungodly reason that's been eaten by tigers but that I remember hating.
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Post Post #491 (ISO) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:50 am

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so who's scum?
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Post Post #492 (ISO) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:18 am

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If we go with Merangal's theory of 1 scum left (which I could believe) I'd say Dopog, MTD, LLD, or PrivateI, simply based on wagons. Of them, LLD hasn't posted jack shit, but I don't see her shooting muffin, so Dopog, MTD, and PrivateI. Of which I'd REALLY like Dopog to start posting something.

If there's two scum left, or there's some sort of factional bullshit going on, then everything goes right out the fucking window. Given that Merengal just gained about 5,000 scum points for trying to gain town cred because she replaced her alt, I'm gonna say if that happens we poke her with dynamite.
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Post Post #493 (ISO) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:27 am

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I'm gonna say that one of those in the Muffin wagon which is not you. LLD maybe; or PI. I need to ISO some when I have time.
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Post Post #494 (ISO) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:50 am

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In post 491, shos wrote:so who's scum?
You.

VOTE: shos.

My basic reasoning was given before, though nobody's exactly missing much. Basically, though, your posts have been ridiculously to a scum agenda.
M's my best guess for scumbuddy. (Though, I
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if MS Marangal's crazy theory of two is right, it'd instead be "M is the remaining scum instead". Seems dangerous to assume there's only two scum, though.)
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Post Post #495 (ISO) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:55 am

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yeah...keep reading please. read through the entire greyice-muffin bufet and find my posts therein; then see when I'm taken into custody and see the posts after that. the lynch on Dessew wasn't close to being formed without me.
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Post Post #496 (ISO) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:24 am

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alt? what alt?

and my name is not that difficult to Spell.

as much as I kinda want to continue pushing Kovara's original scum-spects, It would be kinda weird to ignore the WIFOM'ic kill the Muffin one ended up being and something newbscum isn't likely to make. It also isn't something I wouldn't put pass people who I know have guts

EG: Myself, LLD, Mastin, and Grey

with that line of thought
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@kovara: you really should take this kind of attitude towards the gane. Yeah, they had a fight, but thats human nature and as i expected once their quarrel was over they suddenly become best buddies. Thats not alignment telling, thats just humans.
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This is news to me, though I guess that's the difference between girls fighting and guys fighting, though I do share Kovara's concerns on Garmr (now mastin) lack of thought of how he had interacted with Dessew and the fact that him bussing hadn't come into his mind when, as his top suspect, really should have. Like, he was treating everything as if it was inside a vacuum and hasn't even tried to draw conclusion based on interactions and how people behaved to X environment which also leads me to believe that there was a lack of actual analysis and he was pointing out stuff that could be construed to have scum-motivation if bent and twisted a little and with other factors (of which probably have quite a bit of importance) is ignored

The Kovara/Dessew interaction makes no sense at all for Kovara scum, and I don't think Grey would abandon his spot on the muffin wagon just to hammer a "PR claim" who, in reality ends up being his scum buddy. that is especially true with there only being two scum left because, there really wasn't a whole lot reason to bus at that point in time and it would have been far easier to continue to push the muffin wagon saying that Dessew looks like a counter-wagon to scum-muffin.

LLD, I don't know what to think about, though considering all she's said about her scum-game and how much pride she has in it, I don't really think she'd have such a lazy play as scum as well as being so blatantly anti town. Granted, this also reminds me of how she played Pennepidum and I've never seen her scum play but for some reason, I'm not entirely worried about her this game

So that leaves Mastin. Guyett could also be scum here because he's the type to do that WIFOM'ic trollish scum game I think (because he also kinda does that as town) so leaving him out of this is probably not the greatest decision I could make but I'm gonna do it anyway.

Dopog, PI, and MTD are all weird but MTD has been pretty townish so far, and I'm willing to state that the difference in our approaches to this game is a very viable factor in my misreading them. I don't like PI's entrance on the muffin wagon and it resembles the way Dessew did his entrance and Dogs reaction to Kovara's little RQS thingie was more than enough to catch my eye


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Post Post #497 (ISO) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:28 am

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Bullshit shos. You didnt push the desew wagon. If I recall correctly I talked garmr into pushing the wagon and ran him to L-1 and then both you and mara unvoted
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Post Post #498 (ISO) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:31 am

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Who's M?

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Post Post #499 (ISO) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:45 am

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go here
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5693077

you can also skip to ISO 33 and onwards.
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