Mini 1560 - Reck's Walk of Shame (GAME OVER)

[undo]

Well, I don't see my reads on NicCage being challenged, I only see people saying "NicCage town for me". I would really like to know how these people can tell he is town.
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@Slandaar, basically I'm giving scum no excuses as to why they wouldn't push me during the day and basically putting myself in a position where scum may or may not believe the claim. If they don't believe me and NK my ass, then they forgo my mislynch bait.

What kind of motive is this? There never was a single vote on you in this game. I don't understand your attitude, but I don't think it's very helpful.

Slandaar is obvscum. I'm just done with that. I don't care if no one listens, I vote the scums.

That's fine, but Slandaar isn't the only scum in this game. So please don't tunnel, don't get all loner, and try to hunt the others with us. What do you honestly think about NicCage? Can you please tell us this?

[Slandaar]

@Slandaar, basically I'm giving scum no excuses as to why they wouldn't push me during the day

I don't think so. I think X is scummier, or I don't think your wagon is as viable as X and I am sure you can come up with more.

and basically putting myself in a position where scum may or may not believe the claim. If they don't believe me and NK my ass,

then they forgo my mislynch bait.

Which is true if they nked you without claiming.

Sure they may or may not believe the claim so the benefits are a bit of WIFOM.

I had expected you to reply with something less rational and more emotional if you were town (even though the rationalisation isn't good it is attempted as such)

[Slandaar]

That's how I saw Undo's post.

Freak

is just

freaking

out.

I have the same reaction to Jordan's comment.

I was going to offer you a once in a life time deal to be an inthread mason with me but unfortunately the below means I cannot make it happen

@Titus - Claiming like that is anti-town and shitty play. Think about it, then kill yourself.

We do not need this.

She won't mind, don't make a big deal out of this unless you're trying to get me mod killed. In which case, fuck you!

Maybe, maybe not, I don't like it though and that should be enough. (not to mention Jordan has said something similar on the issue)

@Slandaar, are you taking about #419? The sentence you're quoting there is not about your wording but mine. It's a response to your question on why I felt the need to write 373 after 372.

I will get my head round this in a bit ...

[Slandaar]

OK

The second question is literally what you are saying I never asked just worded slightly differently; what is the difference?

Just go back to here.

To make it clear this is in reference to;

We could go back and forward on how important questions are so lets just get to the most important question of them all which is why are you both not voting Bella?

(this is the second question)

Slandaar, if you had to think of one, what would be your explanation of why I never joined the doc/Bella wagon?

I mean you must already have one, because you asked me twice to join and I said no both times, and you never asked.

What is the difference between what I asked and what you are saying I never asked?

[Slandaar]

Yes there is a lack of co-ordination the issue being nearly everyone in this game is a gung-ho maverick.

So, now we know the issue exists lets start co-ordinating, everyone vote Bella.

[Bella]

We could always not vote me and try lynching scum instead. I know it's a novel concept and all, but I kinda want to win.

[Freak]

OK

The second question is literally what you are saying I never asked just worded slightly differently; what is the difference?

Just go back to here.

To make it clear this is in reference to;

We could go back and forward on how important questions are so lets just get to the most important question of them all which is why are you both not voting Bella?

(this is the second question)

Slandaar, if you had to think of one, what would be your explanation of why I never joined the doc/Bella wagon?

I mean you must already have one, because you asked me twice to join and I said no both times, and you never asked.

What is the difference between what I asked and what you are saying I never asked?

So your answer is "I already asked what you said I didn't ask" and not "why did you feel the need to ask the same question twice?". I only now understand that. Really though, use punctuation or we're gonna do this everytime. >_>

And to answer that: I didn't really see a demand for explanation in that. More like, a

come on guys join the wagon

. I guess we've been not understanding each other for a while.



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Well, I don't see my reads on NicCage being challenged, I only see people saying "NicCage town for me". I would really like to know how these people can tell he is town.

I don't think he's town, but I don't see all the votes on him either. So I guess I'm only half qualified to answer this, but here we go:

Your case on NicCage, once stripped of the useless stuff on his posting style (what do you know about his use of smileys or how he expresses emotions? debating on that is silly at best), boils down to him being inactive, not posting because he's inactive, and conveniently voting doc.

Which can be scum behavior, sure. But also, you know, him being busy and believing doc/Bella is scum.

I don't know how he is a priority to people, and how he has votes over say Bella or you, undo. There's so much more in these two votes.

I can actually kind of see where Aegor is coming from with him, because he seems to make inactivity a focal point of his hunting (a concept I don't agree with). But not the others. And even for him, I shouldn't be the one spelling out his reasons.

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We could always not vote me and try lynching scum instead. I know it's a novel concept and all, but I kinda want to win.

Are you gonna enter this game eventually or are you just waiting on what we decide to do with you?

[Natirasha]

I don't know why I think NicCage is town but I think he is.

[Freak]

you just like his avatar, do you?

[Natirasha]

Gods no.

[Aegor]

Aegor, you want coordination? Start with giving the reasons behind the shit you say.

I have, as you are about to find out.

* NicCage needs to die: why? What makes you so confident about him? I'm genuinely interested in hearing the case on NicCage, that's why I keep asking.

Post 393. Read undo's case.

* voting undo is terrible: why? Nobody made towncase on undo except for Slandaar,

There are more town than scum.
Thus it is more likely that a given player is town than scum.
Thus it makes no sense to assume that a given player is scum without there being in-game reasons for believing he is scum.
No one has presented specific in-game reasons for thinking that undo is scum.
Thus it makes no sense to vote undo and require a town-case be built on him since a town-case should be the default assumption statistically.

Wanna talk about how much undo is town? Let's do it, I'm open to accept point of views different than mine. But I won't dismiss what I think is a strong scumread just from your

Oh Freak just stop it already

I want to hear exactly and precisely why you are voting undo.

[~Jordan`]

my little philosophy major

[absta101]

@Titus - Claiming like that is anti-town and shitty play. Think about it, then kill yourself.

We do not need this.

[Bella]

We could always not vote me and try lynching scum instead. I know it's a novel concept and all, but I kinda want to win.

Are you gonna enter this game eventually or are you just waiting on what we decide to do with you?

Have you been paying attention, dude?

[Freak]

* NicCage needs to die: why? What makes you so confident about him? I'm genuinely interested in hearing the case on NicCage, that's why I keep asking.

Post 393. Read undo's case.

I did. I even answered to it (481).

What did you see in undo's case that you didn't see before in NicCage's behavior?

* voting undo is terrible: why? Nobody made towncase on undo except for Slandaar,

There are more town than scum.
Thus it is more likely that a given player is town than scum.

Thus it makes no sense to assume that a given player is scum without there being in-game reasons for believing he is scum.
No one has presented specific in-game reasons for thinking that undo is scum.

Thus it makes no sense to vote undo and require a town-case be built on him since a town-case should be the default assumption statistically.

Bold is mine.
Bold is bullshit.
Let's see why.

Wanna talk about how much undo is town? Let's do it, I'm open to accept point of views different than mine. But I won't dismiss what I think is a strong scumread just from your

Oh Freak just stop it already

I want to hear exactly and precisely why you are voting undo.

I'm voting undo because his case on me is blatantly fake scumhunting.

107 He escalates the reaction to my page 1 comment to this sad excuse for a case

118 I address said case

120 He ignores my answers to his points and still consider them valid, as if I never replied

123 He now starts pretending my post addressing his case doesn't exist anymore

He then just goes on posting about how town should lynch me, gives a couple of reads on request, then comes back from a relative silence with a case on NicCage (that I already addressed). I'm still not impressed.

He proved to me he just build cases that then he doesn't follow through. Just to have a lot of words to show as

scum hunting

.

This is scum strategy, more than inactivity. And I stated this more than once in this thread.

And that's why undo >> NicCage for me.

Why NicCage >> undo for you?

[Freak]

@Bella you have something more convincing on NicCage than undo's post?

@absta come on man don't be a kid (or are you? in that case don't show it too much please)

[absta101]

VOTE: undo

Should I stop acting like this or do you have a more specific example?

[absta101]

This is how it's done here Freak, you don't like it, then you know what to do, but I won't say it.

[absta101]

Think about it.

[absta101]

K now I feel childish.

[Freak]

well that answers my question, doesn't it?

[CooLDoG]

I think bella is looking a lot better than doc was.

Why?

Seems to deliberately posting content with the intent of finding scum, something that doc didn't do.

Izzy too! Excellent.

OK, quick state of play: I struggled a little to get into this game

before

I got busy (a lot of new faces, some style clashes with which I'd not yet [and still haven't] got to grips) so I'll probably still be a bit muddled as I feel my way back in from here but it should be helpful having some more people I recognise as an entry point.

That said, I've given the game an initial skimread and my provisional read on Fate - probably the person with whom I am most familiar here - is pretty null, slightly leaning town, but it should be interesting to see what he does as I get into the swing of this game.

Main points of my skimread: I'll take absta, Titus and Cage for town, with townreads on Aegor and Bella reinforced. Jordan's back in the null pile, needing further examination/pondering. My initial townread on Freak has deteriorated, partly due to this, which I think resorts to breaking down the framing of undo's case more quickly than I would expect town to do, and also partly because of a case from Aegor on him that I liked but forgot to link in my notes.

So let's start there.

UNVOTE: Fate
VOTE: Freak

Much more to come over next couple of days; will take as much time as I can tonight to read again in more depth and should be able to pop in and answer any questions, should anyone have anything in specific that they'd like me to address. Just yell and I'll get to those things as a priority.

This post literally says nothing. Ohh, this guy is town, and this guy is scum. I don't like this noncommittal style of play.

Why would I be kidding?

because your vote has literally no reason.

I dislike how niccage only pops in to defend himself. He seems completely disinterested in scum hunting.

I want NicCage destroyed. His latest vote is absolutely horrible and he is scummy.

Also, this town has no coordination whatsoever, and that will hurt us. Just btw

CD, CDB: thoughts on the game with specific analysis of top scumreads please

Not likeing freak as scum as much as I did before. His posting has come up.

I'm warming up to nic and cdb being scum.

Nic only comes in to defend him self. Has never scumhunted. It is pretty clear from his, what, four posts that his goals are not town oriented.

CDB for many of the same reasons, but a tad more nuanced. CDB comes in after a long hiatus and just calls out that people are scum or town like he has a magic wand. Hops on for no reason. Doesn't provide any analysis of what people are doing or even commenting on it.

vote: channeldelibird

[~Jordan`]

cooldog you know people sometimes only pretend to look for scum?

[CooLDoG]

cooldog you know people sometimes only pretend to look for scum?

Yeah, but town should look for them.

[Aegor]

So excited to VOTE: ChannelDelibird.

I did. I even answered to it (481).

1) You do not deny the charges
2) You admit they could be scum-motivated.

NicCage has not been totally inactive; he is actively lurking. There is a big difference, especially in motivation. Everything else undo said is still true and damning from my PoV. But I agree, there are higher priorities. Like CDB.

What did you see in undo's case that you didn't see before in NicCage's behavior?

Undo's case was thorough, so not that much. But sometimes it takes an outside perspective to put it all together.

There are more town than scum.
Thus it is more likely that a given player is town than scum.

Thus it makes no sense to assume that a given player is scum without there being in-game reasons for believing he is scum.
No one has presented specific in-game reasons for thinking that undo is scum.

Thus it makes no sense to vote undo and require a town-case be built on him since a town-case should be the default assumption statistically.

Bold is mine.
Bold is bullshit.

How? You never actually explained why.

Wanna talk about how much undo is town? Let's do it, I'm open to accept point of views different than mine. But I won't dismiss what I think is a strong scumread just from your

Oh Freak just stop it already

...I'm voting undo because his case on me is blatantly fake scumhunting.

I did not find it fake. I re-read your responses. They do not address the content of the argument; they only offer explanations of your motivations. Which is fine, but that does not make the case against you fake (e.g. re: recanting the RV).

107 He escalates the reaction to my page 1 comment to this sad excuse for a case

118 I address said case

You did not. See below:

120 He ignores my answers to his points and still consider them valid, as if I never replied

Not true. He considered your response and read it. But your response did exactly what undo said it did: confirm his opinion that you are doing little scumhunting and instead just defending yourself.

He proved to me he just build cases that then he doesn't follow through. Just to have a lot of words to show as

scum hunting

.
Town builds cases to probe players all the time. They also compromise and stop pushing lynches that are getting no traction when another acceptable lynch/possibility to scumhunt presents itself.

This is scum strategy, more than inactivity. And I stated this more than once in this thread.

It is simply not scummy, and it is not scum strategy. I am sorry that you feel that way, but you are demonstrably wrong given the number of town players who employ the very techniques undo is using.

Why NicCage >> undo for you?

undo has not done anything scummy...