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Post Post #475 (ISO) » Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:57 pm

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Post Post #476 (ISO) » Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:12 pm

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BillyTwilight wrote:BM, what "evidence" are you talking about? I don't see anything in his analysis of alko's play that is very damning.

Alko, weren't you the cook in Clue 2? Please elaborate. It's one thing to pull a gamblers fallacy on if you are scum or not in multiple games, but to draw the same name in two of the Clue games? Especially when all of the characters are not in all of the different games, and considering how the cook is not a name that really goes with the other claims in this game so far... It's a 1 in a ridiculously-large-number chance that you would be the cook in two of the three Clue games. I'm willing (for the moment) to believe you've gotten a couple of your roles confused. However, I would like you to elaborate on your claim here.
Yes, it should even say that in the opening post. And I'm a little confused by something you say in the beginning. The gambler's fallacy part. IIRC, it was TCS who tried to pull that argument, but it sounds like here you're trying to attribute it to me.

And I don't see how you can claim any name doesn't fit in with the other roles when every role after the 6 main characters are equally valid contenders.

But I do agree Yvette is the most likely the last scum, and I can't imagine one of the six main characters not being in the game, so that would only leave me and Haschel, and I've been distrusting of Haschel for his play and his claim so

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Post Post #477 (ISO) » Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:44 pm

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Unvote BM, Vote al_ko


If I am indeed scum, then explain how I knew BT was Mr. Green and that BM was probably Mrs. Peacock.
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Post Post #478 (ISO) » Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:39 pm

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I don't have any definite proof. But careful analysis and some luck can make figuring out player's roles a possibility. It's not the same thing, but I did remarkably well faking a watcher role in Clue 3, wasn't perfect, but it was still faking three nights worth of investigations and nabbing a don on the first night.
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Post Post #479 (ISO) » Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:40 pm

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Guessing roles, yes. Guessing flavor, though? That's a lot of luck.
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Post Post #480 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:38 am

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It wasn't guessing roles, merely who each person targetted, which takes into account whether or not a player can even target somebody, and there are only so many possible targets that are even possible.

And it was guessing flavor, but not to the point of knowing what a pm said, merely similar to knowing what name corresponds with everybody. We know all the possible names, and knew a number of the names that have already passed (the dead players and claimed players), so with a limited number of names left and players left, it becomes much easier to do. It's completely different than guessing the flavor along the lines of "You are a blacksmith who has left his blacksmithing work to use your steel hammer to bash in the heads of those who oppose the town."
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Post Post #481 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:42 am

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ZOMG MODKILL ALKO-HE QUOTED HIS ROLE PM!!!!!
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Post Post #482 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2007 9:29 am

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Battle Mage wrote:ZOMG MODKILL ALKO-HE QUOTED HIS ROLE PM!!!!!
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Post Post #483 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:52 pm

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whoops! o.O
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Post Post #484 (ISO) » Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:22 am

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omfg, can we lynch this guy yet?
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Post Post #485 (ISO) » Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:09 pm

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*sleeps*

Can we get prods on everybody again?
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Post Post #486 (ISO) » Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:23 pm

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al_kohaulec wrote:
BillyTwilight wrote:BM, what "evidence" are you talking about? I don't see anything in his analysis of alko's play that is very damning.

Alko, weren't you the cook in Clue 2? Please elaborate. It's one thing to pull a gamblers fallacy on if you are scum or not in multiple games, but to draw the same name in two of the Clue games? Especially when all of the characters are not in all of the different games, and considering how the cook is not a name that really goes with the other claims in this game so far... It's a 1 in a ridiculously-large-number chance that you would be the cook in two of the three Clue games. I'm willing (for the moment) to believe you've gotten a couple of your roles confused. However, I would like you to elaborate on your claim here.
Yes, it should even say that in the opening post. And I'm a little confused by something you say in the beginning. The gambler's fallacy part. IIRC, it was TCS who tried to pull that argument, but it sounds like here you're trying to attribute it to me.

And I don't see how you can claim any name doesn't fit in with the other roles when every role after the 6 main characters are equally valid contenders.

But I do agree Yvette is the most likely the last scum, and I can't imagine one of the six main characters not being in the game, so that would only leave me and Haschel, and I've been distrusting of Haschel for his play and his claim so

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Whoa, I am really confused here. Alko, you were the Cook in Clue 2, correct? I wasn't attributing a gambler's fallacy to anyone yet, except possibly myself. I was saying that I find the probability of you being randomly assigned the Cook in both Clue 1 and Clue 2 seems extremely large to me. You can call that a gambler's fallacy if you want, but considering not all of the roles have been in every game and therefore we can't assume that there even is a cook in Clue 1, the chances of you being the Cook in both games just seems so small that you would have to do some serious convincing to make me believe it.

I assumed when you claimed cook that you were confusing Clue 1 and Clue 2. Please clarify; I want a definitive statement saying, "I am the Cook in both Clue 1 and 2." I know you were the Cook in Clue 2 (your dead and revealed) but please just make this statement so I can be sure that there is no confusing of the games going on here.

Until there is clarification on this I don't want to proceed in a lynchmob forming against Alko. We can't afford a lynch in this game based on what might be confusing which game is which.
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Post Post #487 (ISO) » Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:09 pm

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So I guess the gambler's fallacy is just me misunderstanding your first post. I thought you were assigning that to me or something.

And once again, and to make it clear and everything.

I am the cook in Clue 1 and 2.
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Post Post #488 (ISO) » Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:23 pm

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Post Post #489 (ISO) » Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:20 am

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I've been prodded.
Expect a post with continued reasoning tomorrow.
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Post Post #490 (ISO) » Sat Nov 24, 2007 4:15 am

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Post Post #491 (ISO) » Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:23 am

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OMFG, CAN WE GET THIS GAME MOVING? Srsly, i'm lurking here, and the sad truth is, nobody even notices because i'm the most active poster. :o
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Post Post #492 (ISO) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:37 am

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Who?! I think we're all the most active poster at this point... and we're all lurking... a game full of lurkers=win?
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Post Post #493 (ISO) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:26 am

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Sweet! I get two votes :D
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Post Post #494 (ISO) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:43 am

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Alright, here's a list of claims/reveals in the order in which they occured.

Jack, Mrs. White, Tracker, lynched Day 1
Ancalagon, The Cop, Clue Finder, strangled Night 1
MrBuddyLee, Miss Scarlet, SK, lynched Day 2
The Central Scrutinizer, Wadsworth, Cop, Guilty on MBL, clobbered Night 2
Haschel Cedricson: Singing Telegram Girl, Vanilla/Clue Finder
Ectomancer, The Motorist, Clue Finder, lynched Day 3
chaotic_diablo, Mr Boddy, Blackmailer, killed N3
BillyTwilight: Mr Green, vanilla (after HC found that out)
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DragonsofSummer: Col Mustard (silenced day 3, third last to claim)
dahen: Professor Plum (second last to claim)
al_kohaulec: The cook (last to claim)

First off, you will note that when I first claimed STG, only four roles had been confirmed in the game. Assuming I was scum who wanted to avoid claiming Yvette or Mr. Boddy, that would leave me 8 roles to choose from: Mrs. Peacock, Mr. Green, Colonel Mustard, Professor Plum, The Motorist, The Singing Telegram Girl, The Cook, and The Chief/Evangelist. If I was lying, I only had a 12.% chance of guessing the character that was not in the game.

Next, I correctly identified BT as Mr. Green and BM as Mrs. Peacock. Again, assuming that I'm lying about being a Clue Finder, I had a 20% chance of guessing who BT was and then a 25% chance of guessing who BM was.

12.5% * 20% * 25% = .625%

That's less than a 1% chance of me guessing the setup.

BM claimed Mrs. Peacock, DoS is Colonel Mustard, and dahen is Professor Plum. These are all primary characters and are extremely likely to be in the game. al_ko and I are the only people left claiming auxillary characters, and the numbers indicate that I am not scum. al_ko is the only logical choice.
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Post Post #495 (ISO) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:33 am

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Sorry for not posting Saturday.
Here are my continued analysis of Alko:
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Does anyone else care to comment on the curious interaction between Messrs.
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Alko #12 wrote: Yeesh, I'm doing bad right now, I do intend to respond to the post Billy referred to, and have been ever since I first read it, but my schedule right now definitely isn't going to allow it of me.

Good news though, this week is the last week of classes, next week I finish up finals, and then I'll have summer and a little more free time. I do promise to respond to that post ASAP though, I will say for now that I did not agree with everything in it, though.
Ok, we can all be busy.
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Alko #13 wrote: EBWOP: Based on his play so far in all three games, I'm inclined to believe that TCS is town, but until I have time to look things over, I don't know what to say about his cop claim.
Alko #14 wrote: Doesn't FBI normally find out the SKs?
I don't know about that. But I know there is still no answer TCS' question.
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This is the last real content Alko posts. I think this post is quite scummy and for the rest of the game from this point on Alko only seems confused.

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Post Post #496 (ISO) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:01 pm

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Well with how stale this game's going, I honestly can't find it in me to want to defend myself. I'm sorry, just somebody finish it so you guys can lynch Haschel tomorrow.
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Post Post #497 (ISO) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:27 pm

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al_kohaulec wrote:Well with how stale this game's going, I honestly can't find it in me to want to defend myself. I'm sorry, just somebody finish it so you guys can lynch Haschel tomorrow.
Why lynch me tomorrow? As I said in my last post,
me wrote:First off, you will note that when I first claimed STG, only four roles had been confirmed in the game. Assuming I was scum who wanted to avoid claiming Yvette or Mr. Boddy, that would leave me 8 roles to choose from: Mrs. Peacock, Mr. Green, Colonel Mustard, Professor Plum, The Motorist, The Singing Telegram Girl, The Cook, and The Chief/Evangelist. If I was lying, I only had a 12.% chance of guessing the character that was not in the game.

Next, I correctly identified BT as Mr. Green and BM as Mrs. Peacock. Again, assuming that I'm lying about being a Clue Finder, I had a 20% chance of guessing who BT was and then a 25% chance of guessing who BM was.

12.5% * 20% * 25% = .625%

That's less than a 1% chance of me guessing the setup.
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Post Post #498 (ISO) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:46 pm

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