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Post Post #475 (ISO) » Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:00 pm

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I have not fake claimed, Those were the results I got, it was the information I've been given from my target. C_D already mentioned that his doctoring ability failed before, and if he is telling the truth, than we have no way of knowing when any of our targets are successful or not. Same goes for the serial killers. From what they've said, they've made it apparent that they are not always successful, even if not roleblocked/affected by a doctor. And roleblocking prevents ecto from doing anything, but he's still targeting DoS.
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Post Post #476 (ISO) » Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:13 pm

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Ecto, you have many theories right now.
One of them seems to be that you are SK and that Alko and Skruffs are scum too. Could you give any support to that theory from the lynches and/or night results from the earlier in the game?

I believe that one of Alko or Skruffs is scum with you. I also believe that you think that you have a chance to win even though you have admitted to be a SK. I'd like to narrow down the numbers of known killers so that my block has more of a chance to succeed.
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Post Post #477 (ISO) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:29 am

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Dahen, what gives you the impression i could be scum? If al_ko turns out to be a watcher, you and me are the only ones unaccounted for regarding BM's'death - and you also will have been proven to have not blocked ecto, like you claim.
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Post Post #478 (ISO) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:20 am

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Skruffs wrote:Dahen, what gives you the impression i could be scum? If al_ko turns out to be a watcher, you and me are the only ones unaccounted for regarding BM's'death - and you also will have been proven to have not blocked ecto, like you claim.
Ectomancer has succesfully blocked DOS and HC. DOS has even confirmed dahen's alignment. The only ways dahen can turn up scum are:
1. DOS has random sanity
2. DOS is scum
3. dahen has investigative-immune abilities coupled with his RBing abilities and killing abilities

All cases are unlikely.

In the scenario listed in skruffs posts, it means the target of a night choice isn't canceled, only the effects of it.
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Post Post #479 (ISO) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:21 am

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I keep forgetting that dahen is cleared, and I am just lookig at the mechanics and claims and targets.

If the SKs do have abilities as well as their occasional NK, then i guess that anyone could be guilty - however - the 'invited guests' have all been sks, and everyone else has been pro-town. Except wads, of course.
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Post Post #480 (ISO) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:23 am

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dahen wrote:Ecto, you have many theories right now.
One of them seems to be that you are SK and that Alko and Skruffs are scum too. Could you give any support to that theory from the lynches and/or night results from the earlier in the game?

I believe that one of Alko or Skruffs is scum with you. I also believe that you think that you have a chance to win even though you have admitted to be a SK. I'd like to narrow down the numbers of known killers so that my block has more of a chance to succeed.
2 kills night 1, assuming that Jack killed Billy. Scum kills Jack.
Jack is dead and now we get no kill night 2.
Night 2, either someone is lying, or we are missing some information about roles, most likely from Skruffs.
Night 3 the only person unaccounted for is skruffs. I dont buy Skruffs casting suspicion on Dahen twice now (he keeps forgetting Dahen is confirmed)

Personally, I dont think that the game balance is off if you consider that we have no examples of an SK killing anyone. 5 town with power roles, 3 scum with power roles, against 4 SK who can only kill by lynching. I would say that I believe 2 scum and 5 SK would be a better balance, but both of them appear to have power roles, while I have none and no SK has been shown to have 1 either.

vote Skruffs
I have no night kill, and with his ability to throw it directly into night again tomorrow morning, he is the biggest threat I face, especially if both he and al_ko were to turn up scum. This is the only time we really have to deal with him.
Then don't reveal who you will block tonight (if anyone), or who will be watched. The most suspicious can then be forced to reveal what they did before the confirming player. I say this because Im assuming he will throw it directly into night if it looks like he might be lynched.
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Post Post #481 (ISO) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:33 pm

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Let's'look at ecto4 theory. If boddy, waddsworth, and another accompolice (yvette) were mafia, then A) the cop got an innocent on scum, B) there are 5 sks and 3 mafia making it 2-1 against the town, C' the mafia has a godfather, a rber, and someone that has to be lynched twice!

In summary:
Theme wise, doesn't make sense.
Flavor wise, doesn't make sense.
Role wise, doesn't make sense.
Night action wise, doesn't make sense.
Game setup wise, doesn't make sense.
Also... You are scum!
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Post Post #482 (ISO) » Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:16 am

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Ectomancer - (al_kohaulec, DragonsofSummer, dahen)

Skruffs - (Ectomancer)

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Post Post #483 (ISO) » Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:41 am

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Basically I am saying that it doesn't make sense for there to be a mafia - if there was one, then Boddy's 'accompolices' would involve me and YVette. Yvette is cleared, and it doesn't make sense for The Cop to be an informant. IT's possible that maybe the cop only detects SKS but... oh well, it's not really worth going after.
If Ecto's plan is correct, then, there are two sks and two mafia left, and two townie.

Since the cop is guaranteed to have an additional night, one of me or AL KO can be watched. If alko is to be believed, then Dahen is a quack roleblocker or something -and if Dahen (pro-town per investigation) is to be believed, then al ko made an unlucky guess about who targetted DOS last night.
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Post Post #484 (ISO) » Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:12 am

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You can say that there is no mafia all that you want, and you can continue your speculation on setup, but the following facts remain.
Someone died last night while I was not only watched, but also blocked.
No SK has been shown to have any other abilities.
No SK has been shown to even be able to kill at all.
Both you and al_ko have claimed/demonstrated roles. Yours isn't proven yet, because the lights are still on, but that claim still remains.
Now, out of all the players that remain, Skruffs is the most dangerous with his ability to force back to back nights (back to back scum kills). It has become apparent (to me at least) that I dont have a nightkill to use against you either, so even if I get someone lynched besides myself, I still cant counter your night actions. I have to get you lynched. I don't think you are town, making you equally as great a danger to town for the same reasons.

I don't know how tomorrow will go, honestly I don't have a decent plan to win or even tie until I see what we are left with. What I do know is that neither myself, nor town can win if we lynch anyone other than Skruffs today.

And no, I never said that there was 2 town, 2 SK, and 2 scum. Nice try with your specualtion though. Right now there are likely 3 town, 1 SK, and then 2 others, most likely scum, though it is possible one is only an SK. Since Al_ko's claim seems to be backed up by what he has witnessed, that would leave you for the only possible remaining SK, since your claim hasn't been proven, and in fact you made a claim that town doesnt
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to see proven at this point because it would essentially be a no lynch today.
Either you can really take it to night as you say, which means you are as dangerous as I laid out already, or you are an SK who is lying about having an ability, and killing you today instead of me wont make a lick of difference.
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Post Post #485 (ISO) » Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:18 am

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chaotic_diablo wrote:
Skruffs wrote:Dahen, what gives you the impression i could be scum? If al_ko turns out to be a watcher, you and me are the only ones unaccounted for regarding BM's'death - and you also will have been proven to have not blocked ecto, like you claim.
Ectomancer has succesfully blocked DOS and HC. DOS has even confirmed dahen's alignment. The only ways dahen can turn up scum are:
1. DOS has random sanity
2. DOS is scum
3. dahen has investigative-immune abilities coupled with his RBing abilities and killing abilities

All cases are unlikely.

In the scenario listed in skruffs posts, it means the target of a night choice isn't canceled, only the effects of it.
This is why my speculations on the remaining scum have not included Dahen. By the way, the manner in which you kept "forgetting" and going after Dahen also fits in with the SkruffsScum. Dahen is the only one who can directly prevent you from killing at night.
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Post Post #486 (ISO) » Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:50 pm

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You know, I wonder who al_ko chose to watch N2. I'd love to hear his reasoning.
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Post Post #487 (ISO) » Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:17 pm

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Rm.
WHo would my mafia partner be? And why would hte mafia have someone who woulud have to be lynched not once, but twice?
And why do you keepo saying that Alko is confirmed when he claims to have seen you target someone on a night you were blocked?
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Post Post #488 (ISO) » Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:15 am

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Skruffs wrote:Rm.
WHo would my mafia partner be? And why would hte mafia have someone who woulud have to be lynched not once, but twice?
And why do you keep saying that Alko is confirmed when he claims to have seen you target someone on a night you were blocked?
You continue to assume that a block prevents a person from leaving home, and not that it would merely prevent you from performing your night action, however I labor under no such assumption. Tongue-in-cheek here, I would say I could agree with you partially, but only because it seems that my only night function is to walk from person to person, so if I were actually role blocked I shouldn't be walking around :roll: But seriously, you really think al_ko is just that lucky of a guesser?

You are also attempting to disseminate false information, and I dont think this is the first time. We do not need to lynch you twice. In fact, by the rules of the game, if we were to get a lynch vote before you used your ability and turned off the lights, you would be dead. No, you have to use it before you get lynched, which is why you are spreading mis-information when you say we have to lynch you twice. We don't.
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Post Post #489 (ISO) » Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:29 pm

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al_ko has had only two night results. One of which can be easily fabricated, one of which that can be possible bussing. In addition, one of his results was blocked without an explanation. He argued that if my protection abilities failed, then anyone elses abilities can also fail. However, I can still argue that my failed protection can still be accounted for by Jack and MBL. al_ko is a different story. During the activies of N2, no one can account for his block except for skruffs and I.

1. al_ko targetted an
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2. I protected al_ko
3. Bm tracked Ecto
4. Ecto targetted BM
5. dahen blocked HC
6. HC was blocked by dahen
7. DOS investigated HC
8. Who the hell knows what anacalogan did

The only possible way al_ko could have been blocked is if either skruffs or I are scum RB. However, I targetted DOS N3 and his results came out fine. skruffs has claimed to be able to end the day by turning off the lights. If we look at Clue 2, then we can see that MBL was saved when the lights turned off. Since I assume that skruffs abilities should work as he stated, there is nothing to account for the al_ko's block.
Ectomancer wrote:You are also attempting to disseminate false information, and I dont think this is the first time. We do not need to lynch you twice. In fact, by the rules of the game, if we were to get a lynch vote before you used your ability and turned off the lights, you would be dead. No, you have to use it before you get lynched, which is why you are spreading mis-information when you say we have to lynch you twice. We don't.
An insightful observation. What if we assume that this was the case in Clue 2? That an ability was used
before
al_ko hammered? If that's true, then obviously skruffs is who he says he is with his intended ability. However, that still doesn't tell us how al_ko got blocked.
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Post Post #490 (ISO) » Mon Sep 24, 2007 1:59 am

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Well, I've never targetted anyone, nor have I ever been blocked, or seen targetting someone... come to think of it, I don't think anyone has said they have ever targetted me. Beh.

As far as I am aware, I can use my ability in Twilight, too, if my timing is fast enough. There's no real specification - I might even be able to use it tonight, if you all want me to try. I've PMed the mod about using it during the day.

Note : in the movies, everytime the lights were flipped in the movie (Once by mr boddy, once by someone else towards the end) , a murder or attempted murder took place. So if you guys want, C_D can investigate AL_KO tonight, and if somehow he turns up town (goes against all my notes) I will either allow myself to be lynched or, preferably, use my ability to prove that I have it. I think we can all agree (hopefully) that if I can move the day to night without a vote, that I am not likely to also be a role-blocker.
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Post Post #491 (ISO) » Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:15 am

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Skruffs wrote: I've PMed the mod about using it during the day.
Exactly what does this mean?
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Post Post #492 (ISO) » Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:14 am

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Meaning i asked what would be the latest point in the day I could use it : lynch -1 or twilight. Without speculating about another game, i would think i could use it at twilight, but the roles could be different.

I mentioned during the day because i had not even thought of using it during the night phase - or if it would be possible or useful.

I have, for the record, never heard of a roleblocker that keeps someone from doing their action but not from visiting. Yvette would presumably be using her skills as a call girl on her targets. I can think of no situation where, say, she decided to 'roleblock' ms. Scarlet, and in the middle of their hot n'heavy prostitute-on-Madam action, Scarlet wanders off...with a candlestick or whatnot... Intending to kill... and instead, just looks at someone, wanders back, and resumes their flagrande d'lecto or whatever it's called.

Right.

Speaking of which, it may be possible that dahen can only 'entertain' male characters...
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Post Post #493 (ISO) » Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:26 am

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Skruffs, DoS is checking me, not c_d.

c_d, I thought I mentioned this before, but maybe not. My N2 target was BM
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Post Post #494 (ISO) » Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:53 am

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Skruffs wrote: I have, for the record, never heard of a roleblocker that keeps someone from doing their action but not from visiting. Yvette would presumably be using her skills as a call girl on her targets. I can think of no situation where, say, she decided to 'roleblock' ms. Scarlet, and in the middle of their hot n'heavy prostitute-on-Madam action, Scarlet wanders off...with a candlestick or whatnot... Intending to kill... and instead, just looks at someone, wanders back, and resumes their flagrande d'lecto or whatever it's called.
This is the most entertaining post I've read here. :D

It is correct that I block using my experience in handling men. However, when my ability is later stated it does not refer to gender. I have thought it over, though, and I'm pleased that all remaining characters are men (except for Ecto who we will lynch).

It's also possible that I cannot block Ecto since she is the one running my business, though.
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Post Post #495 (ISO) » Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:54 am

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dahen wrote:
Skruffs wrote: I have, for the record, never heard of a roleblocker that keeps someone from doing their action but not from visiting. Yvette would presumably be using her skills as a call girl on her targets. I can think of no situation where, say, she decided to 'roleblock' ms. Scarlet, and in the middle of their hot n'heavy prostitute-on-Madam action, Scarlet wanders off...with a candlestick or whatnot... Intending to kill... and instead, just looks at someone, wanders back, and resumes their flagrande d'lecto or whatever it's called.
This is the most entertaining post I've read here. :D

It is correct that I block using my experience in handling men. However, when my ability is later stated it does not refer to gender. I have thought it over, though, and I'm pleased that all remaining characters are men (except for Ecto who we will lynch).

It's also possible that I cannot block Ecto since she is the one running my business, though.
That would make you aligned with me....
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Post Post #496 (ISO) » Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:38 am

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Ecto, i do congratulate your use of paranoia in trying to make me feel like i should use my ability before i get quick lynched. For the record, if we thinks it's better to lynch a non-claimed SK over an SK, then we deserve to lose.
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Post Post #497 (ISO) » Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:02 am

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You know, I really want to drop the hammer, end the day, and see what comes up. I agree that Ecto is feeding us a bunch BS to confuse us.
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Post Post #498 (ISO) » Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:16 am

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I still have the utmost confidence in my plan!
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Post Post #499 (ISO) » Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:29 pm

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chaotic_diablo wrote:You know, I really want to drop the hammer, end the day, and see what comes up. I agree that Ecto is feeding us a bunch BS to confuse us.
None of it is BS. If you lynch me you might be safe and gain a win. However, there is also a chance that town will lose if I am right. There is no reason that I cant be lynched tomorrow because it wont matter. I don't have the ability to throw it right back into night again.
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