Mafiascum.net

(2) - AGar, implosion
(1) - Malakittens
(1) - Aneninen

(7) - Oso, chaoslord54, phokdapolees, shaddowez, tman2nd, Elias_the_thief, rack

↑ Oso wrote:
Not at all. My subsequent posts after Neil did answer the L-1 shows that I had no problem getting involved. I also had a perfect opportunity to start muddying the waters and attempt to divert his wagon if I had wanted to, before his claim. I was a brand new replacement so I could have easily posted a couple or three quote walls and found something to try and focus attention away from Neil or at least give the thread a second viable target and I don't think anyone would have really assigned an alignment to that. Replacements do that often enough.

The point is not what you could have done, or what you did eventually. It was your initial entrance. That speaks a lot louder than afterwords when you either had time to say "Oh shit, that was dumb!" or a scumbuddy possibly told you. The point is a town player's first mindset isn't "Oh let me not contribute!" If it is, they're bad.

↑ Oso wrote:
And no, don't really want to get into Mafia Theory but yeah, unavoidable here with that thinking. Day 1, Cop claim comes out, Player A is the cop. Don't CC. Even if you die during the night, we have the dead list to give us your counter-claim. I felt that important enough to say regardless of how many other times folks had said it especially since Aneninen posted this derpy nugget (The bold, underlined part).

↑ Aneninen wrote:I have an idea.

@Everyone: if you are counterclaiming Neil, DO IT in your very next post!

If there is no counterclaim, we should assume that Neil's claim is real and disband his wagon. (After all, if his claim is fake we'll find that out soon.) If you've posted anything without counterclaiming start posting your other scumreads as soon as you can.

UNVOTE: – I'm willing to revote him if anyone counterclaims but now I'm scared of a derphammer on Neil.

Not only had no one counterclaimed, but multiple people - as you pointed out - had said to not counterclaim. Your posting it did nothing but pad your post count and feign town interest in a position when it became clear that Neil's gambit was going to bear no fruits. Neil claimed in 386. Anen made his post in 390. You posted in 389 and did NOT feel it necessary then to say "Don't counterclaim." 394 tman says "Don't CC." 395 Mala says "He's fishing for the real cop." 396 Tammy says "Don't cc." Post 401 you finally say "Don't CC." 3 other people said it before you. Another person expressed disbelief in Neil's claim. But you wait until they come in and then ride the popular opinion of "Don't CC!" Again, like before - it wasn't your first instinct to say "Don't claim!" You waited until you got reactions. Trust me, even without a CC, there are people who drop tells. You don't need the CC to confirm the cop to you.

Also, lol @ trying to educate me on mafia theory. Thanks bud.

Implosion's case on Shaddowez is pretty solid. A lot of seemingly empty questions came from him yesterday, and I was kinda curious to see no followup when he asked for my read on Elias and I flat out refused. Not seeing too much town there.

Mala, let's talk about chaos. Because I completely forget he exists 99.9% of the time and that's probably not a good sign.

So, as I promised, some reads about Oso.

389/401 – well, AGar has just summarized something in 476. I admit that I haven't noticed it before. I thought that a Cop CC might have been a good idea but since many other players posted that it would have been bad, I only concluded that I had a bad idea – and never thought about the authors of the posts any more. However, the thing pointed out by AGar is interesting – though, it's also possible that Oso didn't suspect that anyone would propose a CC afterwards.

410 – I disagree with the first part but agree with the next part (after the quote). As far as I can see he corrected the first part in his next post. Could it be a towntell, a genuine thread-reading? I don't know.

414 – I wonder why he asked (the quote has been edited by me for better understanding). Why was it interesting at that point?

417 – Why was he interested in Chaos that much? A Neil/Oso/Chaos scumteam? Might be, but – making guesses like this after one single scumflip would be too brave. Plus, I don't think Chaos is scum.

427 – He mentioned that he would hammer Neil but, he ended up not voting for him. Hmmm...

457 – I can't find new reads here; all I can see is hesitancy and repeating others' content. Unless the stuff he mentioned about Shadow. He mentioned that he would revisit Shadowez' posts next day. That must be 473 but there are no strong reads, nor new pieces of information there.

468 – I don't understand why he mentioned my post about the CC (even if it was a bad idea). But, the first part of the post might be true. He could have make the game stalled on Day1 but, he didn't do it. Though, this gameplay might be a WIFOM too.

Conclusion: lean scum. My reads are not too strong, but it seems that he's not scumhunting. Also, I have a feeling that he tries keeping himself "under the radar". Even if he's not my strongest scumread now, I wouldn't protest if he was about to get lynched.

@MalaKitty. Should you have time for that, I'd like to read more about your case against Chaos.

prod dodge, sorry

I'm considering voting rack to get him to do something if his next post is anything like his last four.

Sorry guys moved back into my apartment today. Posting in a bit.

Probably will wednesday. 12 hour shift tuesdays~

Will likely pass out after work.

THAT'S RIGHT!

↑ DeasVail wrote:THAT'S RIGHT!

ohsnap.

You should start by voting Oso.

That's a good place to start.

We'll see AGar!

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Now I don't really know how I'm going to catch up any more than any of you do at this point, but I'm thinking I'll just read through the thread and maybe comment on things and maybe have reads at the end? It can be a surprise for all of us.



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Ok I'm mostly done with my read and no longer feel like quoting for some reason, so there you go.

↑ implosion wrote:AGar, Malakittens, Aneninen, phokdapolees, rack, myself. This is the group that I don't have much interest in looking into today. I have no interest whatsoever in looking at AGar or Malakittens. Then comes rack, then Anen and phok.

Oso, chaoslord54, shaddowez, tman2nd, Elias_the_thief. At this point, I want to say 2/5 scum.

This post will probably serve mostly as a reminder to the me of a few days from now in the event that I get caught up in real world shenanigans and forget where I was.

I mostly agree here, but I'm actually quite comfortable removing tman2d from the lynch pile, obviously removing myself, and Anen is probably the one from your townlist that I feel least confident in, but he's not in my scumlist either.

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Ok, I'm all caught up. I think scum are among Oso, chaoslord54 and shaddowez. I need to reread ISOs to make sure of my townreads and I will explain why I think tman2nd is town too. My first choice between the aforementioned three is chaoslord because I am conflicted on shaddowez and Oso doesn't give me major scumvibes (while chaos kind of does). This stuff will happen either later tonight if I'm up for it or tomorrow.

Hi DV!

Can you link me to three recent games you replaced in as town or scum? Tia<3

You know what, I'll do at least some of it now. First, I'm just going to go through my townreads and what I feel most makes them town. If they're a wide a townread, I'll probably be quite minimal.

AGar: Pushed Flames wagon from start to end. No other problems with him. Generally quite town. Cool.

Malakittens: First to say she didn't believe neil's claim. If she was willing to be so bus-heavy as scum I think she would have actually gotten on the wagon. 392 would have to be very clever to come from scum. Possible, but unlikely. 413 feels unlikely to come from scum due to fear of being accused of lining up lynches.

Implosion: His vote made the difference between Flames being AGar's scumread and being an actual wagon. Concerns relating to neil's alignment come across as genuine, because if scum he's already decided to bus. There is no point in scum-implosion unvoting and pondering about the lynch when it doesn't do anything to change the lynch target and may cause others to suspect him after the flip.

Phok: Voting for Tammy after AGar & implosion express high confidence in her being town is brave for scum, but probably doesn't achieve much at all. His reaction to criticisms of his 98 make me townread him since he kind of clearly doesn't care. Also Flames' push of him is a +.

Tman2nd: I thought he was quite viable scum for a long time, but this all changes with 344. If tman2nd is scum with neil, there is no point in unvoting. The townies are dead-set on his lynch at this stage, there is no real reason to believe that he won't be lynched. It only draws attention that scum would not want. For town though, who don't know neil's alignment, it's totally reasonable and makes sense.

Rack: Never thought he was scum really. Reaction test thing is totally crazy and therefore more likely from town imo.

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Aneninen: Slightly weaker townread than the others but still a townread. I find his personality makes it difficult to assess his alignment as he sometimes does things that I usually would find scummy, but I suspect that these may be more of a personality thing than anything else. Most concerning for me is the part I quoted earlier from 212, because why say that people should keep an eye on you if you're town? Seems more likely scum would say it just to appear reasonable. However, Aneninen often does things such as call his own posts weak, so I question the validity of my point. His vote on Flames comes a little early, but not too early for scum. However, the call-out for cop counterclaims after neil's own claim, this being after negative responses to the claim, just feels way out there for scum, and is the main reason why I townread this slot despite my concerns.

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Shaddowez: Mostly a PoE read. His play in regards to flames/neil is nothing beyond scum as far as I can see. The main thing holding me back though, as silly as it may sound, is 21. Notice the similarity in style of RVS to flames, while everyone else is different. I feel scum may make more effort to do something different from a buddy, but I consider this point quite weak after some thought. I didn't notice anything scummy in particular during my read-through, but I haven't reviewed the most recent case on him properly and will read his own posts more deeply tomorrow.

Oso: Nothing that's really town about him, but nothing all that scummy either? It's really hard to say for me, as his posts are quite odd at times. Another I will need to look further into.

Chaoslord: His read progression on the neill/flames scumslot seems pretty unnatural as well as being likely to be what scum would do there imo. He starts off thinking flames is town, ignores the flames wagon until specifically asked, where he then makes an awkward wishy-washy post not really saying anything but trying not to get Flames lynched 256. However, in 339 he then goes into 'bus my buddy' mode and despite quite strongly townreading flames, he lets nothing get in the way of his new 'scumread', which I feel is unrealistic for town, but matches scum that has decided neill is going down.

Reads are still a bit shonky in parts (Oso in particular), but hopefully this will be fixed soon. I'm not going to vote yet because I need to look further into Oso and Shaddowez, but chaoslord is my preferred lynch right now.

Hi Mala, I haven't played much recently, and have replaced in even less, but here are the most recent games I can think of:

Mini 1509 - Scum
Song Contest U-Pick - Town

If you want a third one, then you'll have to go back over a year.

Prod dodge. Won't be able to get back into the game until tomorrow.

I'm back from my trip to the coast. I'll post something latter.

- I had an early townread on you, and you've done nothing to change my mind. I asked you for a read that you didn't want to give, I had no reason to pad my post count or waste time/posts by trying to convince you to do so.

I'm having a hard time getting a read on people for D2. Right now my gut doesn't like Elias or chaos, and the best bet I have regarding Tammy's death points to tman. I'll be looking into ISOing all three of them either tonight or tomorrow night (the latter more likely)

↑ shaddowez wrote:

Agar

- I had an early townread on you, and you've done nothing to change my mind. I asked you for a read that you didn't want to give, I had no reason to pad my post count or waste time/posts by trying to convince you to do so.

I'm having a hard time getting a read on people for D2. Right now my gut doesn't like Elias or chaos, and the best bet I have regarding Tammy's death points to tman. I'll be looking into ISOing all three of them either tonight or tomorrow night (the latter more likely)

Far cry from a town mindset.

Also, not commenting on Oso.

Noted.

Rack has posted nothing on this site since 31/08. Where is he anyway?

DeasVail's catchup posts seem to be genuine, which may be a towntell. However, if you posted something about Oso, that would be great. I don't think the post from Tman you mentioned is not a towntell. I may consider your read about Chaos later.

AGar, what's your opinion about Tman?

Ok, I have reviewed Oso and Shaddowez, as well as the cases on each.

I am still not picking up much alignment wise from Oso's slot, so he remains with my scumreads.

There's nothing that new with Shaddowez either, but I would pick him as scum over Oso right now.

Chaoslord is still who I think is most likely to be scum.

↑ Aneninen wrote:However, if you posted something about Oso, that would be great.

His posting makes me very uncertain. I struggle to get anything specifically town-motivated or scum-motivated out of it as I read through, so he defaults to a scumread, but not a strong one.

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