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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 10:49 am
by Konowa
I'm of the mind this is more role-madness bastard, rather than MINDSCREW Tar games. Initial impression reading zor's description of the game.
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 10:53 am
by Aegor
↑ Untrod Tripod wrote: ↑ Aegor wrote:I was not conflating anything. You made that erroneous inference; I never stated that it was town because it is proven.
No. You said
Juls' claim is demonstrably true. If someone involved is scum, Juls is town and DGB is scum with a counter.
that may not have been what you meant, but it was what you said.
You are seeing something that is not there. I never said that Juls' claim is provable and therefore it is town. At no point in my ISO can you point to that logical inference, because it does not exist. Read my post again; you will not find what you claim is there. You are inferring a connection that I simply never made.
1. That just means the mod can lie to us. It doesn't indicate anything about negative utility town roles.
Bastard games also address game mechanics and roles: death miller, changing wincons, etc.
2. Yes, but they're significantly less likely than it straight up being a scum role.
Governor is a straight-up scum role? I beg to differ. You are simply wrong.
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:04 am
by Untrod Tripod
↑ Aegor wrote: ↑ Untrod Tripod wrote: ↑ Aegor wrote:I was not conflating anything. You made that erroneous inference; I never stated that it was town because it is proven.
No. You said
Juls' claim is demonstrably true. If someone involved is scum, Juls is town and DGB is scum with a counter.
that may not have been what you meant, but it was what you said.
You are seeing something that is not there. I never said that Juls' claim is provable and therefore it is town. At no point in my ISO can you point to that logical inference, because it does not exist. Read my post again; you will not find what you claim is there. You are inferring a connection that I simply never made.
1. That just means the mod can lie to us. It doesn't indicate anything about negative utility town roles.
Bastard games also address game mechanics and roles: death miller, changing wincons, etc.
2. Yes, but they're significantly less likely than it straight up being a scum role.
Governor is a straight-up scum role? I beg to differ. You are simply wrong.
I believe you that you didn't mean that. Moving on.
The things that you named are just variations on the moderator being allowed to lie to players.
I didn't say governor was a scum role. My point was that I find the role that Juls claimed to be far more likely to be scum than town.
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:07 am
by DrippingGoofball
I want people to vote on whether they want me to un-neighborize farside and HI.
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:07 am
by DrippingGoofball
I meant un-loverize, for all of you pedants.
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:07 am
by Untrod Tripod
um
it's un-loverize, right?
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:08 am
by Untrod Tripod
ha.
anyway it's not pedantry because THERE'S A BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE THERE
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:19 am
by Hostile Intent
I vote for un-loverize.
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:22 am
by farside22
↑ Konowa wrote:So you think DGB is lying? The role makes sense as Town if you assume Juls is Scum? I'm confused as to the thought process here.
I think dgb is lying about her ability and both are scum together.
If true, she should use her ability.
↑ Aegor wrote: ↑ Untrod Tripod wrote:provided you're town, that makes juls likely scum....
VOTE: hiplop
Juls' claim is demonstrably true. If someone involved is scum, Juls is town and DGB is scum with a counter.
I see no reason whatsoever to lynch Juls.
DBG; do not use your ability.
This post makes no sense.
You think juls role is town, dgb is scum and you vote hiplop.
Why should dbg not use her ability?
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:22 am
by The Bulge
I read Day 1 overnight. Catching up Day 2.
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:24 am
by farside22
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:27 am
by farside22
Also juls no case and shoving her ability as a reason to town read her is scummy.
Refusal to explain scum reads and saying it was based on those people suspected is scummy.
Especially consider most of the people were not scum reading me or HI.
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:30 am
by farside22
Aegor: explain how this whole game from juls reads town, considering her and how she makes cases.
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:35 am
by The Bulge
Mid-reading note: Why the fuck are people trying to do serious setup spec in a bastard game?
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:37 am
by The Bulge
Like half of what I'm reading right now is "Scum wouldn't have ______" or "_____ role is super scumfuckery die scum" like just stop that it doesn't help
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:43 am
by The Bulge
I'm busy tonight for the next ~3.5 hours and I'll make srs posts after that
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:46 am
by farside22
↑ The Bulge wrote:Like half of what I'm reading right now is "Scum wouldn't have ______" or "_____ role is super scumfuckery die scum" like just stop that it doesn't help
Yea, I don't give 2 figs that juls role did what it did. She is scum not explaining fuck all.
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:47 am
by Untrod Tripod
↑ The Bulge wrote:Like half of what I'm reading right now is "Scum wouldn't have ______" or "_____ role is super scumfuckery die scum" like just stop that it doesn't help
yeah well if you were actually reading AND comprehending you'd see that the second half of that argument is that her claimed ability was used in a super scummy way
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:49 am
by The Bulge
↑ Untrod Tripod wrote: ↑ The Bulge wrote:Like half of what I'm reading right now is "Scum wouldn't have ______" or "_____ role is super scumfuckery die scum" like just stop that it doesn't help
yeah well if you were actually reading AND comprehending you'd see that the second half of that argument is that her claimed ability was used in a super scummy way
I get that. I'm not discrediting that. But I'm also seeing a lot of "it doesn't make sense for {town/scum} to have that role" which is not valid.
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:03 pm
by Untrod Tripod
okay good
focus on that part because setup spec happens but you can choose to ignore it and be okay
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:05 pm
by farside22
↑ The Bulge wrote: ↑ Untrod Tripod wrote: ↑ The Bulge wrote:Like half of what I'm reading right now is "Scum wouldn't have ______" or "_____ role is super scumfuckery die scum" like just stop that it doesn't help
yeah well if you were actually reading AND comprehending you'd see that the second half of that argument is that her claimed ability was used in a super scummy way
I get that. I'm not discrediting that. But I'm also seeing a lot of "it doesn't make sense for {town/scum} to have that role" which is not valid.
I can't remember who said that.
I just know it's not my case.
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:24 pm
by Juls
↑ farside22 wrote:Also juls no case and shoving her ability as a reason to town read her is scummy.
Refusal to explain scum reads and saying it was based on those people suspected is scummy.
Especially consider most of the people were not scum reading me or HI.
If you fail so hard at reading then I am not going to explain it to you anymore. The fact that you are misrepresenting me is another reason you are scum.
I VOTE
TO UN-LOVERIZE HI and Farside....Let them hang!!!
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:30 pm
by Aegor
↑ farside22 wrote:Aegor: explain how this whole game from juls reads town, considering her and how she makes cases.
My default is town because that is the statistical probability, and Juls has done nothing to make me question that default.
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:33 pm
by Konowa
What statistical probability? Her role?
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:34 pm
by Aegor
Alignment. There are more town than scum. Generally.