Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 6:06 pm
I'm not giving up - just preparing for the worst. I like to have my reads and thoughts out
before
it gets to a lynch, so that when my flip does come, town knows what to look back at.
https://forum.mafiascum-staging.net/
↑ I Love Fairies wrote:I'm so sorry that I haven't been able to respond recently. I don't really have a good excuse. I didn't know I would be gone as long as I was and should have called VLA. Next time I will do so.
Anyways, Elle's posts seem a lot more genuine than most of the other players in the game. I think she is one of the LAST people we want to lynch because I'm fairly positive she is town given her actions and she is vocal and actiony (idk what word to replace this with) than other people.
I'm still under the impression that SwaggerMayerWeiner is scum, regardless of the defenses he's put up and the defenses that his teammates put up. Part of me doesn't want to lynch him because I'm having fun coming up with names for him, but I'm not about to let my fun risk this game. Sorry, SinSwagilyYours.
VOTE: Swagilicious
Also, Riddleton's defense to his lack of defense to me pretty much instantly made me think him to be town. I think I may have just been overly paranoid with his interaction with Marty McSwag.
Also also, I will be gone tomorrow. Expect my return on Sunday.
↑ Lone Ranger wrote:A glance through Kaboose's ISO confirms my suspicions that Kaboose is scum, probably with Elle. His mentions of Elle before his recent wall are minimal and could easily be faked by scum.
↑ Kaboose wrote:↑ elleheathen wrote:
What do you think about my defense of you in #238?
Do you think I'm more likely to be scum trying to buddy you with it or town not wanting to see you lynched because of it?
Why do I hate this question? Like, why are you looking for a confirmation from just one person for a town or scum read? I just I don't know, I'm probably not smart enough to put it in to words but this question here just does something to me inside.↑ Kaboose wrote:↑ Cheetory6 wrote:@Elle, I had a line of questioning for you, but I feel like the response wouldn't be informative.
Basically, it seemed to me like:
Was implying that you were scumreading him rather than trying to sort him, but the followup in response to me seemed more geared towards you saying that you were trying to sort him again. Realized on reflection that asking you about it wouldn't really yield anything productive because "oh I was just saying that I wasn't townreading him and am now nullreading him" was likely to be your response regardless of what your alignment is.Elle wrote:My read, obviously.Cheetory6 wrote:What changed between then and now?
Let's go somewhere else from here. What do you make of Kaboose's softpush on you?
Oh good someone brings it up for me!
What did you think of the post of hers I quoted? I don't know what to make of it but it seemed weird.↑ Kaboose wrote:↑ Cheetory6 wrote:I see the scum-motivation in trying to prod people for their reads on you so you can adjust your play accordingly, however, I've seen some townplayers do stuff like this in the last few games I've been in, so I'm more inclined to nullread this particular post.Kaboose wrote:Why do I hate this question? Like, why are you looking for a confirmation from just one person for a town or scum read? I just I don't know, I'm probably not smart enough to put it in to words but this question here just does something to me inside.elleheathen wrote:What do you think about my defense of you in #238?
Do you think I'm more likely to be scum trying to buddy you with it or town not wanting to see you lynched because of it?
I think I'm more troubled by how safe her play up until her push on Swag has felt, but I admit this is more of a tone argument on my part and I won't be surprised if nobody will listen to me on this point alone.
I guess it would be too obvious for a scum member to be like "If I said this, or since I said that, do you find it scummy or townie" but I just don't see why a town person who is scum hunting would make this a worry. Like do I worry that someone may read me as scum based on me trying to help solve the game? Sure, but I'm not going to be worried enough to stop what I'm doing to ask for confirmation before I proceed. Could you imagine if that's how we played?
Am I alone in my thought that scum are more likely to care about what they look like than a town person? Especially since there aren't any cops or doctors who need to alter their play a bit to make it to day 2.
I'm scum reading Dave, Elle, and still Corpses.
I will say though, maybe it's just me, but this game still seems to be suffering from a bit of holiday hangover. We need some more interactions in here to get people talking and slipping.
Grib! I'm starting at the top of the VC. Do you still find awesomeusername scummy and deserving of your vote? I'll research the answer myself, but if you get a chance let's talk about him. We have a bit of a connection, you're voting awesome, awesome is voting me. I think you also told me I was stupid once or twice in this game. I don't like you for that. Oh and I haven't forgot, I'm going to get to your Green Crayons inquiry as well.
There are three major mentions of Elle before his recent wall. The first is him calling Elle scummy for something that is completely null. The second is Kaboose excitedly asking Cheetory about his Elle suspicion eager to show that he had Elle as a scumread. The third is an elaboration of his scumread which is okay and fairly null.
My biggest issue with Kaboose is that his recent wall reeks of confirmation bias. He is acting like he KNOWS Elle is scum. He is quick to critisize people for considering that Elle may be town. He is quick to applaud and encourage Elle scumreads. He thinks Elle will get lynched today and is setting up for tomorrow. Who can he attack next as being partners with Elle? Who showed that slight hesitation that he can exploit to chain a mislynch following today's bus? Those thoughts seem to be pre-dominant in Kaboose's mind. The wall he wrote is so unnatural, it is downright ridiculous. I have never seen a townie post with the level of bias and confidence that he has posted.
Cheetory misunderstood my initial arguments even though I explained them to him several times. I cannot believe that Kaboose so miraculously understood all of them and see them as persuasive. My case against Elle is one that is unlikely to appeal to the masses. Cheetory's reactions and calling it nitpicking confirms my thoughts there. I think it would be moderately difficult for an objective outsider to break down what I found scummy about Elle. Kaboose's understanding here is alarming.
As for who to lynch, I feel Kaboose is on balance scummier than Elle. I will switch back if Elle is the lynch that is viable but I want everyone in this game to read Kaboose's wall. And anyone that is reading Kaboose as town should explain why. He is very clearly scum.
VOTE: Kaboose
in 375You are so scum it is funny.
in 419AwesomeUsername is scum.
in 472He is very clearly scum.
My intent was literally closer to the opposite. MAYBE YOU'RE THE ONE WHO NEEDS TO READ BETTER.Kaboose wrote:When I read that post, it's like you were poking the bear a bit with your line of questioning. Like you were trying to instigate their arguing again.
Okay.. is the following just a weird choice of words on your part?Kaboose wrote:Because it seemed weird.
Kaboose wrote:Something about this doesn't add up to me.
Pull up example quotes, please and thank you. I'm literally getting the opposite feeling from a bunch of elle's posts, so I'd love to hear how someone reached the opposite conclusion to me here q.qI Love Fairies wrote:Anyways, Elle's posts seem a lot more genuine than most of the other players in the game.
↑ Whatisswag wrote:
Then why Kaboose instead of elle if you mentioned that it could be bussing since both are scum from your point?
↑ Lone Ranger wrote:My biggest issue with Kaboose is that his recent wall reeks of confirmation bias. He is acting like he KNOWS Elle is scum.He is quick to critisize people for considering that Elle may be town. He is quick to applaud and encourage Elle scumreads.He thinks Elle will get lynched today and is setting up for tomorrow. Who can he attack next as being partners with Elle?Who showed that slight hesitation that he can exploit to chain a mislynch following today's bus? Those thoughts seem to be pre-dominant in Kaboose's mind. The wall he wrote is so unnatural, it is downright ridiculous. I have never seen a townie post with the level of bias and confidence that he has posted.
↑ Green Crayons wrote:Some thoughts on these final few pages.
1. elle's Post 428 reads list is strikingly similar to how I am reading the game. I would only switch awesome (to lean town) and Kaboose (to town), put swag as town instead of lean scum, and put elle as a scum candidate. Despite those differences, there's a lot of overlap in how elle and I are understanding the game.