Mini 1643: World of Mafiacraft (End)

[Nero Cain]

What made you go from scum to null on me?

[TroubledTownie]

She FREAKED OUT when she thought I was calling her scummy when I was answering her question. Then she flipped out and acted waaaay overdefensive like noob scum all over the recent pages. It's 100% obvious if you read.

I agree with you on this... that post was weird. The tone is different from elusive's tone in response to kiwi's accusations. I see two possibilites.

1 - Town elusive forgot the question she asked ABR 30 minutes earlier.
2 - Scum elusive was already in defensive mode against Kiwi and saw someone else coming after her... overreacted.

Number 2 seems much more likely to me.

VOTE: elusive

BTW, I read through some of ABR's theory posts linked on his wiki, so I understand now what he's doing. I have him at a null read now.

[acryon]

She FREAKED OUT when she thought I was calling her scummy when I was answering her question. Then she flipped out and acted waaaay overdefensive like noob scum all over the recent pages. It's 100% obvious if you read.

I agree with you on this... that post was weird. The tone is different from elusive's tone in response to kiwi's accusations. I see two possibilites.

1 - Town elusive forgot the question she asked ABR 30 minutes earlier.
2 - Scum elusive was already in defensive mode against Kiwi and saw someone else coming after her... overreacted.

Number 2 seems much more likely to me.

VOTE: elusive

BTW, I read through some of ABR's theory posts linked on his wiki, so I understand now what he's doing. I have him at a null read now.

ABR is almost definitely town, and I get what he's doing, but I'd be interested in knowing the success rate. I just don't see Elusive as scum here. It's clear she's not a newb, so I don't buy that she was acting like newb-scum. Read a lot more like annoyed town to me.

[elusive]

Or, TroubledTownie I thought he was making a statement since he didn't answer any other questions. I was thinking that he might actually start a tunnel and just letting him know, since I've been in tunnels, that that doesn't scare me. Unfortunately it does seem like he's town although so far his results are getting people to reveal their racial ability which scum would already know. Although, a link to the wiki would be good for when this doesn't pan out so people can update stats.

[House]

VOTE: elusive

I didn't like her response to ABR, either.

[bankaikiller]

Vote elusive

[acryon]

By my count that is L-1. Please request a claim before anyone thinks about hammering.

The lack of resistance to this wagon should make people more concerned than they seem to be.

[Ozgin]

WHAT TELLS YOU A PERSON IS SCUM? WHEN YOU VOTE THEM, OVERDEFENSIVENESS, OVERCOMPENSATING, SIGNS OF OBVIOUS LYING, EXAGERRATION, DRAMATIZATION, NO EMOTIONAL CONNECTION TO THE WORDS ON THE PAGE, IT DOESN'T CLICK, IT'S MADE UP, IT'S TRYING TO GET OUT OF A SITUATION, SHE SHOWS ALL THE SIGNS OF SCUM IT'S OBVIOUS JUST LYNCH IT WITH FIRE

But is this not the exact same thing elusive is accusing kiwi of? And is it not exactly how kiwi reacted himself?

And you also must forgive my apprehension to agree with your lynch vote, because you hold the same conviction towards each and every player.

But, elusive... Your case isn't really good. I DO like your response to me, though, and that's why I can't turn on you just yet.

I'm going to use the color orange inside this quote to make comments throughout, rather than break down the quote (for ease):

Ozgin, its a couple of things about him. I'm phone posting and will do a ISO case to tonight or whenever I can. Here's a quick summary to the best of my memory:

1. Bankai falls apart and kiwi eggs him on and gloats that Kiwi as scum could pull off an emotional gambit but bankai can't.

I agree.

2. Kiwi claims he will decimate scum.

Well, that's not necessarily a bad thing.

3. I put a vote on kiwi because of the gloat and something about the tone of that post felt smug, bankai had already erupted and kiwi chose him as a scum target

after the fact

. Also when someone boasts like that but doesn't pull through it pings me hard since what scum is is to talk without actual actions.

But could it be that he went after bankai

because

of his emotional outburst?

4. Kiwis reactions to my one single vote were ridiculously bad. Like I don't feel much pressure right now and I might be lynched toDay. Emotions are all steady, I've been tunneled pretty hard as town by town and scum so were still in the minor leagues.

I agree here, as well.

5. Kiwi specifically mentions that he wasn't going to get emotional and gets really really emotional. For no reason which is why I called drama or theatrics. He just told a guy he's good at fake out frame then he does some totally crazy response to soft poke.

While I agree, I feel like this is just a restatement of #4.

6. I refuse to answer his questions BC they are make a case on him and a parrot of my own questions. The answers he gave as I stated don't give any reads on his scum. I'm used to people making cases, if this is not the case in this game ya'll better lynch me quick because a person without cases...what is this Town of Salem?

I'm not entirely seeing your point here, but why not answer parrots of your own questions? If your questions are designed to read innocence, then, as an innocent, you should not have any qualms with answering them.

7. Kiwi continues to get heated without reason. I may have poked hard but only after being called dumb ass scum which was part of the ongoing OMGUS. Oh and retard fight I didn't find that to be complimentary to me or bankai? Unclear who the second was.

Again, I agree to a degree, but this is all part of the "Overreaction" argument, as I said for #4 and #5.

8. His reaction to my deciding not to make a case, mostly because I was having technical issues, makes him go off even more. Like patience.

See 4, 5, and 7.

9. His entire case on me is not answering questions and then going from small tiny posts to large ones. How does that make sense? What scum mindset can you figure out from those?

Well everyone has their reasons for asking questions. If they believe they can read you from them, then just answer them. What do you have to hide? Besides, I said in 6, what's the point of being afraid to answer "parrots of your questions"?

If you can give me a good response to my questions to you, I'll be more inclined to agree with your case against kiwi.

[TroubledTownie]

By my count that is L-1. Please request a claim before anyone thinks about hammering.

The lack of resistance to this wagon should make people more concerned than they seem to be.

Did you count House twice? He was already on the wagon.

[Albert B. Rampage]

2 more votes on elusive please.

[kiwieagle]

Ozgin, its a couple of things about him. I'm phone posting and will do a ISO case to tonight or whenever I can. Here's a quick summary to the best of my memory:
1. Bankai falls apart and kiwi eggs him on and gloats that Kiwi as scum could pull off an emotional gambit but bankai can't.
2. Kiwi claims he will decimate scum.
3. I put a vote on kiwi because of the gloat and something about the tone of that post felt smug, bankai had already erupted and kiwi chose him as a scum target after the fact. Also when someone boasts like that but doesn't pull through it pings me hard since what scum is is to talk without actual actions.
4. Kiwis reactions to my one single vote were ridiculously bad. Like I don't feel much pressure right now and I might be lynched toDay. Emotions are all steady, I've been tunneled pretty hard as town by town and scum so were still in the minor leagues.
5. Kiwi specifically mentions that he wasn't going to get emotional and gets really really emotional. For no reason which is why I called drama or theatrics. He just told a guy he's good at fake out frame then he does some totally crazy response to soft poke.
6. I refuse to answer his questions BC they are make a case on him and a parrot of my own questions. The answers he gave as I stated don't give any reads on his scum. I'm used to people making cases, if this is not the case in this game ya'll better lynch me quick because a person without cases...what is this Town of Salem?
7. Kiwi continues to get heated without reason. I may have poked hard but only after being called dumb ass scum which was part of the ongoing OMGUS. Oh and retard fight I didn't find that to be complimentary to me or bankai? Unclear who the second was.
8. His reaction to my deciding not to make a case, mostly because I was having technical issues makes him go off even more. Like patience.
9. His entire case on me is not answering questions and then going from small tiny posts to large ones. How does that make sense? What scum mindset can you figure out from those?

So therefore scummy acting scummy and petulant.

Oh and GGG, same thing for you. You find questions scummy, explain why. Then the post of yours that Ozgin quotes actually means that you can build a case on kiwi who believes that post lengths must conform or its scummy. Or at least take down his logic because thats what town does find areas where logic doesn't follow or where actions and words don't match up.

Rampage, what are you offering in return? The ability to spin straw into gold?

Yep, not voting elusive. That

is

a pretty convincing kiwi case however.

Let's see where this goes.

VOTE: kiwieagle

1. Bankai falls apart and kiwi eggs him on and gloats that Kiwi as scum could pull off an emotional gambit but bankai can't.

Don't see how this is scummy. Its the truth.

2. Kiwi claims he will decimate scum.

I am, son. This sounds like you scared.

3. I put a vote on kiwi because of the gloat and something about the tone of that post felt smug, bankai had already erupted and kiwi chose him as a scum target after the fact. Also when someone boasts like that but doesn't pull through it pings me hard since what scum is is to talk without actual actions.

This is just stupid. Check any of my games. I gloat because I find it funny, and its a null point anyway because I AM destroying scum like you.

4. Kiwis reactions to my one single vote were ridiculously bad. Like I don't feel much pressure right now and I might be lynched toDay. Emotions are all steady, I've been tunneled pretty hard as town by town and scum so were still in the minor leagues.

My reaction was to ask you explain your vote.
Which you haven't done.
Even these points are just confusing or simply wrong/bad.
Last time I checked, by page 8 or w/e RVS is not continuing so any votes must have a good reason.

5. Kiwi specifically mentions that he wasn't going to get emotional and gets really really emotional. For no reason which is why I called drama or theatrics. He just told a guy he's good at fake out frame then he does some totally crazy response to soft poke.

I also dont understand this. What the fuck is fake out frame?
How is asking for REASONS a totally crazy response?
Also, I have never gotten emotional. Heck, if you think WRITING like THIS is emotional you are wrong because I always write like THIS. I don't see why you continue to repeat the emotional shit because its obviously false.

6. I refuse to answer his questions BC they are make a case on him and a parrot of my own questions. The answers he gave as I stated don't give any reads on his scum. I'm used to people making cases, if this is not the case in this game ya'll better lynch me quick because a person without cases...what is this Town of Salem?

What do you mean I don't give reads? I EXPLICITLY stated my reads. You can even find a LIST.
The reason you don't answer my questions are because you DONT have answers. Which is scummy. If you are going to vote me and then CLAIM I am coasting and CLAIM I am being "emotional" (Maybe aggresive... which is my personality anyway) you better find some quotes or give legitimate answers.

7. Kiwi continues to get heated without reason. I may have poked hard but only after being called dumb ass scum which was part of the ongoing OMGUS. Oh and retard fight I didn't find that to be complimentary to me or bankai? Unclear who the second was.

Uhh ok so you are repeating the same stuff. I think this is going to be the third time I state that being "heated" is just how I play. Look at my previous games.

8. His reaction to my deciding not to make a case, mostly because I was having technical issues makes him go off even more. Like patience.

This is COMPLETE bullshit. You decide to mention "technical issues" until now. Also, you have made TWO god damn essays where you had the chance to answer MY questions and you didn't. Technical, my ass.

9. His entire case on me is not answering questions and then going from small tiny posts to large ones. How does that make sense? What scum mindset can you figure out from those?

My entire case is that scum lie, you lied. Scum avoid questions that may leave them vulnerable, you avoid questions. Scum invent cases with half-assed points, this post proves that. Scum change behavior, you went from question asker to defensive fluff poster in a matter of seconds.



Also, since acryon decided to support this complete bollocks case he better answer the damn questions I asked her.
Actually, you better build a DAMN good case explaining where elusive is right and I am wrong.
I DARE you to quote the time I coasted, the time I went into theatrics, all the times I sheeped ABR, the time I went crazy from soft-poke, and the time I failed to answer a question fully.

[killerjester]

Patch 1.1.4 Vote Count

elusive (6):

GGG, kiwieagle, ABR, House, TroubledTownie, bankaikiller

ABR (2):

Ozgin

, Nero Cain

kiwieagle (2):

elusive, acryon

Not Voting (4):

TheFuzzylogic99, eyestott, Xombie

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Tier 1 (9):

House, Nero Cain, TroubledTownie,

Ozgin

, eyestott, TheFuzzylogic99, GGG, bankaikiller, acryon

Tier 3 (2):

ABR, elusive

Tier 2 (1):

kiwieagle

Deadline: Day 1 ends in (expired on 2015-02-10 11:40:00).

[acryon]

By my count that is L-1. Please request a claim before anyone thinks about hammering.

The lack of resistance to this wagon should make people more concerned than they seem to be.

Did you count House twice? He was already on the wagon.

As of 393 GGG was voting Elusive (1), then came kiwi (2), then ABR (3), then House (4), then TroubledTowni (5), (then House again), then banka (6).

[acryon]

Ninja'd by the mod.

[kiwieagle]

Yo acyron I am waiting. You better make that case.

[kiwieagle]

Or do you have "techincal errors"?
You better now wait for the weekend and then claim
"BUT LOOK AT MY SIG!! IT SAYS V/LA!!!"

[acryon]

@Kiwi: I think that it's kind of silly to act like it's ridiculous elusive thought you were being emotional, because I also thought you were. An increase in caps and expletives tend to point toward getting emotional. Obviously this isn't a blanket statement, but it's certainly reasonable to believe you were getting emotional. That being said, your answers to all of her points has convinced me that this is most likely TvT.

Maybe I'm just being an idiot, but elusive has just not been pinging me

at all

. Usually I have at least an inkling, but I just think that girl is town.

[acryon]

Or do you have "techincal errors"?
You better now wait for the weekend and then claim
"BUT LOOK AT MY SIG!! IT SAYS V/LA!!!"

I'm sorry, but is this not getting emotional?

But for the record, I do go V/LA on weekends in about an hour.

@Mod: V/LA until Monday

[acryon]

What do you make of the fact that there has been so little resistance to the elusive wagon?

[Albert B. Rampage]

hammer

[acryon]

hammer

I am certainly not going to hammer without a claim, and I don't think she's around so I likely wouldn't get that in time even if I asked for it. Someone else is going to have to do that for you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

We're all ungeared raiders, waiting for a claim isn't useful in this game.

[kiwieagle]

Acryon you prick you better not cop out right now

Youd be the second fool who refuses to answer me

Also I am telling you thats how I play its not emotional... just look how I argumented with bankai...


Pedit
"Waiting for a claim"
HAHAHAHA

[acryon]

We're all ungeared raiders, waiting for a claim isn't useful in this game.

I suppose that's true. Either way, I don't think she's town, so I won't be hammering. But I do think she at least deserves some last words of convincing before someone hammers her.

[kiwieagle]

Hey you got an hour so you better fucking answer my questions/requests