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VOTE: PhantomCobalt

What the hell, a bit of voting might inspire some more talk from the elusive Phantom. Not announcing L-1 was kinda poor form too.

↑ Drixx wrote:With no 1-shot BP claimed, FrogSC2 is conftown. Without any Cop/Doctor/Tracker claim, then Rufus is confirmed to be telling the truth about being Jailkeeper. That's two conftown. We should let the remaining scum kill them. Foolish to do scum's job for them.

I think my suspect order goes something like this:

PhantomCobalt
Reubus Swagrid
Kagesong


Not sure where I should put notachipmunk. Reubus and Kage could swap places... I can't decide which is 2nd most suspicious to me.

I think notachipmunk's range of interaction + pam support vote when it wasn't really necessary for scum is pretty villagery.

I think you figured out the same mech thing as I did based on players votes and responses to the BP strategy.

We can completely game the system now, which is kind of boring, but superior.

Just requires Rufus to claim who he's going to roleblock to have them cleared tomorrow.

IMO, Rufus roleblock kagesong on the POE, so even if Mafia don't attack on purpose we still lynch within the POE.

Good news is I'm hard cleared now. Greater news is the POE should certainly start with the 2 currently voting me.

↑ Rufus Delorian wrote:VOTE: PhantomCobalt

What the hell, a bit of voting might inspire some more talk from the elusive Phantom. Not announcing L-1 was kinda poor form too.

Pretty certain the scum exists out of PhantomCobalt or Kagesong.

We can mechanically deduce there is no bulletproof claim, based on votes and interactions, which means we can go through with the plan. Which is kind of hilarious Mafia didn't claim.

Sounds reasonable, Kagesong did accuse Literallypam pretty early on though...could be WIFOMy I suppose.

@Drixx, you put Reubus pretty high on your suspect list, can you elaborate? I had you and Reubus cleared for the same reason.

↑ Rufus Delorian wrote:Sounds reasonable, Kagesong did accuse Literallypam pretty early on though...could be WIFOMy I suppose.

@Drixx, you put Reubus pretty high on your suspect list, can you elaborate? I had you and Reubus cleared for the same reason.

I'm going to assume it has to do with:

A) Voting you today

B) Recognizing that there are no counterclaims to your TPR claim and keeping vote planted anyway

C) Recognizing the potential of D1 bussing a partner who would be inevitably lynched anyway

Certainly Reubus has town cred for:

A) Voting Pam (lead)

B) Range of interactions

I don't think Reubus gets credit for putting the first vote on Pam in RVS. Scum often vote their partner in RVS. Once the wagon was up, he may have never seen a good chance to get off.

↑ Drixx wrote:I don't think Reubus gets credit for putting the first vote on Pam in RVS. Scum often vote their partner in RVS. Once the wagon was up, he may have never seen a good chance to get off.

I'm glad you brought this up.

I wanted to mention this yesterday but felt it wasn't the right time and/or it would have gone over everyone's heads.

Kind of like when I mentioned bussing/distancing today.

In my process I like to consider EVERY possible scenario, even the zebra hooves, but always play into whatever is the most obvious. E.G. SHCs are saved for MYLO, etc.

I just recently started trimming it down into:

What actions has Player A done that are not villagery?

Instead of:

What actions has Player B done that could be wolfy?

↑ Rufus Delorian wrote:I'll say Frog does seem a bit scummy to me.

However, if we don't have a bulletproof townie, he

is

cleared. I jailed him & there was still a NK.

I claimed Jailkeeper D1, if I was lying, there'd be another Jailkeeper, a Doctor, a Tracker, or a Cop, they'd have claimed, revealed me as scum and won the game.

Pretty sure everyone's posted since then & would have had the whole night to work out the easy way to win.

Other than Frog, only person I could be suspicious of is PhantomCobalt, just because everyone else seems towny to me and Phantom & Kirroha haven't said much

IF he is roleblocker, he resolved before you AND most likely recieved his NK as well. Therefore, you jailing him does NOT clear him at all. In a way it points harder.

↑ Drixx wrote:With no 1-shot BP claimed, FrogSC2 is conftown. Without any Cop/Doctor/Tracker claim, then Rufus is confirmed to be telling the truth about being Jailkeeper. That's two conftown. We should let the remaining scum kill them. Foolish to do scum's job for them.

I think my suspect order goes something like this:

PhantomCobalt
Reubus Swagrid
Kagesong


Not sure where I should put notachipmunk. Reubus and Kage could swap places... I can't decide which is 2nd most suspicious to me.

I could go for Phantom, if it's agreed. Frankly, yes, from the data alone Reubus and I could swap. However, the only one on that list I believe might be scum is Phantom.

That was my first thought, but if Frog's a Roleblocker, there has to be a Bulletproof Townie in the mix.

If there is a Bulletproof guy, not claiming is causing possible scum to be totally cleared, I think we went over this pretty well earlier so, since no-one's claimed Bulletproof, we're working on the assumption that there's no Roleblocker.

↑ Rufus Delorian wrote:That was my first thought, but if Frog's a Roleblocker, there has to be a Bulletproof Townie in the mix.

If there is a Bulletproof guy, not claiming is causing possible scum to be totally cleared, I think we went over this pretty well earlier so, since no-one's claimed Bulletproof, we're working on the assumption that there's no Roleblocker.

Unless of course there's a lack of attention being paid. BUT VOTE: Phantom

Let's see where this takes us

I believe Phantom is now at L-1 I don't know how to bold

↑ kagesong wrote:

↑ Rufus Delorian wrote:That was my first thought, but if Frog's a Roleblocker, there has to be a Bulletproof Townie in the mix.

If there is a Bulletproof guy, not claiming is causing possible scum to be totally cleared, I think we went over this pretty well earlier so, since no-one's claimed Bulletproof, we're working on the assumption that there's no Roleblocker.

Unless of course there's a lack of attention being paid. BUT VOTE: Phantom

Let's see where this takes us

I believe Phantom is now at L-1 I don't know how to bold

Exactly, the lack of attention will ultimately doom scum now.

At this point, all Rufus has to do is roleblock you tonight.

If no one dies, then we lynch you.

If Rufus dies, then we can clear you unless someone claims to be a bulletproof (including you).

So far none of the following are candidates for bulletproof anymore:
Rufus
Drixx
Frog
Notachipmunk
Kagesong
Reubus
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PhantomCobalt, if scum, will be forced to claim bulletproof even if he is Mafia, or we have a gamed strategy that will result in a 100% town victory no matter what, aka he'll lose.

This Phantom flip is most likely the GG, since no one else claimed, or can reasonably claim BP now.

↑ FrogSC2 wrote:

↑ Rufus Delorian wrote:VOTE: PhantomCobalt

What the hell, a bit of voting might inspire some more talk from the elusive Phantom. Not announcing L-1 was kinda poor form too.

Pretty certain the scum exists out of PhantomCobalt or Kagesong.

We can mechanically deduce there is no bulletproof claim, based on votes and interactions, which means we can go through with the plan. Which is kind of hilarious Mafia didn't claim.

I think I'm dead. GG!

I'll walk through it again with assumptions:

Rufus - roleblocker
Frog - cleared
rest vanilla townies or wolf

Today:
Lynch: PhantomCobalt

Tonight:
Rufus - roleblocks you - either no kills (we lynch you) or kill (you are cleared)
Kagesong - is roleblocked - either Rufus dies (you and I are cleared), or no one dies (we lynch you)

If There is a D3 (assume Rufus is killed):
Kagesong - cleared
Frog - cleared
Notachipmunk - voted Pam, soft clear
Drixx - voted Pam, soft clear
Reubus - voted Pam, soft clear

We can afford 1 mislynch, we must create a POE of 2 people out of the 3. I'm saying Notachipmunk should be the POE clear.

Our POE will be:
Reubus - Lynch D3
Drixx - Lynch D4

As long as notachipmunk is town, we will always win

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Some variables:
Who we put in our POE
We COULD trade out Drixx with Notachipmunk, but I disagree with this.

If Rufus is NOT killed, and Kagesong IS a villager:
Then Rufus simply announces he will roleblock Reubus. If Rufus dies, we clear Reubus and I'm still cleared as well. If Rufus survives, we lynch Reubus.
Mafia will NEVER NOT kill Rufus tonight if they have the opportunity to do so. Because not killing Rufus will completely close the POE to unknowns including Notachipmunk.

↑ PhantomCobalt wrote:

↑ FrogSC2 wrote:

↑ Rufus Delorian wrote:VOTE: PhantomCobalt

What the hell, a bit of voting might inspire some more talk from the elusive Phantom. Not announcing L-1 was kinda poor form too.

Pretty certain the scum exists out of PhantomCobalt or Kagesong.

We can mechanically deduce there is no bulletproof claim, based on votes and interactions, which means we can go through with the plan. Which is kind of hilarious Mafia didn't claim.

I think I'm dead. GG!

GG Phantom. You still play on MU?

↑ PhantomCobalt wrote:

↑ FrogSC2 wrote:

↑ Rufus Delorian wrote:VOTE: PhantomCobalt

What the hell, a bit of voting might inspire some more talk from the elusive Phantom. Not announcing L-1 was kinda poor form too.

Pretty certain the scum exists out of PhantomCobalt or Kagesong.

We can mechanically deduce there is no bulletproof claim, based on votes and interactions, which means we can go through with the plan. Which is kind of hilarious Mafia didn't claim.

I think I'm dead. GG!

I mean, you could still claim to be the bulletproof, which throws the roleblocker in the mix. Hope never to get roleblocked by Rufus as being a 'clear'.

But the follow up plan was always to have Rufus roleblock the bulletproof claim... so yeah, you're in a hard place.

Anyway. GG all. Sorry for being such a dick.

Why would I claim BP just to keep myself alive. That will just out the real one

↑ PhantomCobalt wrote:Why would I claim BP just to keep myself alive. That will just out the real one

So you are the roleblocker?

Wait... are you Cobalt from MU?

Idk what mu is

I'm VT

↑ PhantomCobalt wrote:Idk what mu is

I'm VT

Nevermind. Thought I played with you in that Jessica Jones game offsite back at the end of November.

Also, this is very awkward.

PhantomCobalt!Scum would have been forced to claim bulletproof in this scenario.

UNVOTE:

I think we need to lynch kagesong today instead, even though PhantomCobalt would have made more sense.

↑ Drixx wrote:With no 1-shot BP claimed, FrogSC2 is conftown. Without any Cop/Doctor/Tracker claim, then Rufus is confirmed to be telling the truth about being Jailkeeper. That's two conftown. We should let the remaining scum kill them. Foolish to do scum's job for them.

I think my suspect order goes something like this:

PhantomCobalt
Reubus Swagrid
Kagesong


Not sure where I should put notachipmunk. Reubus and Kage could swap places... I can't decide which is 2nd most suspicious to me.

I thought I was the least suspected because you thought it was impossible that I would lynch pam like that if I were her partner