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i would comment on how annoying it is to play with people who deliver ultimatums at a moments notice but can't handle being scumread on both alignments but i know rc just doesn't care so like whatever

i was continuing a bit anyway so this doesnt matter to me to begin with

VOTE: nsg

In post 445, Varsoon wrote:My tone seems to have been giving skitter issues with read clarity on my slot, and I know that my infrequent schedule is likely to add to that. I was apologizing mostly for not being able to be here consistently, though, since I feel like consistent play is one of the best means of producing content that'll get you read clearly.

the schedule thing doesn't really matter much to me so long as you don't like randomly disappear into the aether; your activity is fine imo

but yeah i'm having trouble parsing the tone thing conclusively either way

i'm going to admit to being a little paranoid that you're being conciliatory/non-aggressive to me cuz i was willing-to-hear-you-out and it's making me wonder if you're like trying to like get me on ur side or to like pocket me a bit if that makes sense

In post 445, Varsoon wrote:@SirCakez: In my experience, Porkens is far more madcap and frustrating.

does he usually like read the game?


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In post 462, Shoshin wrote:Skitter, what're your reads?

something like

{}
{irrel, you}
{kokichi}
{nsg, reck, nos, gamma, creature, sircakez} - null
{porkens}
{}
{}

i don't know where to put rc or varsoon right now

pretty sure all of {you/irrel/kokichi} are town

nsg i'm not super good at reading and doesn't have enough content either way; i want to scumread her for inactivity/apathy but i've been told that's not hte right way to read her even though that seems to work for me, so idk; either way she doesn't have enough content really

i feel like nos is the sort of player whose playstyle i don't know how to read; nothing he's said has been ai much; i've only played with him once and i was scum and he was in a hydra and lurked for half the game so that overall id on't think that's going to be super helpful here

i don't really have thoughts on gamma, he just kinda is; same with sircakez really

reck's role i think is marginally more likely to be town but i dont' particularly townread his play; overall i don't feel super strongly about him either way

i feel underwhelmed by creature but it's only been a couple of irl days and his sig literally says he can't post on thursdays so he can have a few more days

porkens is kinda wtf-y and i kinda gut scumread him for his ~RVS posts and his later posts are bad but they're bad to the level of almost being comical and they indicate that he isn't really reading the game and idk unless he like legit hates scum and doesn't care enough to bother going through the motions of reading the game i don't know what he's doing here as scum.

like voting someone because 'you say i'm null/towny but vote for me anyways so it sounds like you want to get a wagon on me' or something to that effect when gamma hadn't said that is just like ... bad but i feel like scum would want to accurately find out why they're being voted instead of just vaguely skimming things so that they can respond apropriately? but i feel like town would care about that too so overall idk right now; like i kinda scumread him but i'm not sure if what he's doing actually comes from scum if that makes sense

i don't really like rc's side of his fight with varsoon and i don't much like the aftermath either and i don't know why it's a fight to begin with and he seemed to have put words into varsoon's mouth and his reaction to being scumread is to replace out is kinda bad but idk if that's ai really for him. or at least, ai in ways that i can read. and i think i'm just going to wait till after he's replaced to try to figure the slot out because i don't think i can read him super well anyways with any sort of confidence

and varsoon i didn't like his kokichi case but i kinda like many of his later posts and he seems kinda sincere to me; i'm still working on coming to a firm conclusion but i'm tending town for now

i don't super feel like i have a very good grasp on this playerlist yet and i have a lot of nullreads but idk how to read the things they've posted thus far

In post 466, SirCakez wrote:RC replacing out over this is lame af, I've been in far worse situations then this and stayed in.

It's a scummy move, imo.

@Skitter: In my experience, Porkens reads but doesn't engage a lot and tends to kinda do his own thing. Explosive when pushed though.
If you want content out of Porkens, push a serious case on him. That said, it can be like opening a can of worms sometimes, so be prepared.
It seems sort of like you're going for that already so I'd just be more forward with it if you want more from the slot.

In post 477, Nosferatu wrote: i was continuing a bit anyway so this doesnt matter to me to begin with

VOTE: nsg

Can you give some more explanation on this push/read of nsg?

no

there is no hidden depth

In post 478, skitter30 wrote:pretty sure all of {you/irrel/kokichi} are town

Why Irrelephant & Kokichi?

irrelephant because he keeps on bringing up things at just the same time i was thinking them (188 + much of 172 + 417)

+ tone feels good (ie feels very relaxed + carefree + non-agenda-y + go-with-the-flow-y)

+ his read on u and rc in extension make a lot of sense given past games (ie american presidents mafia and how he treated you there)

kokichi because i think trying to tie the gacha thing is town-motivated + how he defended doing so + his outrage at varsoon not understanding him felt real

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@varsoon i don't have a serious case on porkens beyond what i just said; not entirely sure how to get someone to engage when they're clearly not reading the game tbh

In post 412, xRECKONERx wrote:im p confident one of koki/rc will flip scum

You explained your RC scumread, but what's your reason for scumreading me?

Also RC stop replacing out of games just because you get scumread by people. it's lame as hell.

20 pages, this ought to be interesting

In post 471, Shoshin wrote:

In post 469, xRECKONERx wrote:because his comments on me seem like sticking his neck out for a read on me when it has a really high risk to bite him in the ass. id expect varsoon to ignore the conversation about me rather than actively roll up his sleeves and engage w/ it.

Do you think you were obvious town at that point in the game? Why don't you have any worry that Varsoon's just pocketing you?

i am sure it's possible he's doing that, i'm notoriously bad at people getting into my blind spot, they just usually do it more subtly

In post 223, skitter30 wrote:

In post 215, northsidegal wrote:

In post 114, Shoshin wrote:If anything, irritating town RC to the point of self-destruction is pro-scum.

i agree with this and it's why i voted reck

maybe you didn't get there yet but ... kinda surprised taht you aren't objecting to my vote on you

yeah, i hadn't got there, but i'm not all that surprised. why did you expect me to be? you've made it pretty clear in the past that you don't think you can read me.

In post 234, SirCakez wrote:This playerlist is good, I'm hesitant to TR most anyone here so easily.

are you familiar with the playerlist and peoples scumgames...? seems like a weird comment to make no matter if the answer is yes or no.

In post 244, RadiantCowbells wrote:Cakes is like the poster child of people who say absolutely absurd and scummy things as town and get hilariously mislynched

huh. i think this post is actually pretty town-indicative. there's a saying that i read from RC about his town philosophy once in a game a long time ago that's stuck with me to this day, and this relates to that pretty well.

if anyone cares, i think the basics of what it was was something like "the first step to improving as town is to stop mislynching the townies who do outrageous things and start focusing on the silently scummy players".

my very limited memory of varsoon's scumgame is lots of mechanics / objectives talk

so i might imagine that, if scum, he would take more time to talk about the hated modifier here than he actually did

In post 264, Varsoon wrote:Hated's a trash modifier that indicates design-flaw and should probably be lynched regardless, as I'm reading hated as more likely scum than town in this setup.
But also I don't like Kokichi's main focus being on getting Gacha and mentions of himself as town/townread.
255, 232, 43, 30
Firstpost far too much tips at the role PM being red (thinking he was scum) that it strikes me as scum trying to manufacture a 'townslip' based on how peculiar they thought the sample role/their fakeclaim was in looks. Need to go back to the previous game, though, and see if the different color formatting/fakeclaims is in the mod meta, though, otherwise regardless it just bothers me.

perhaps slightly town indicative

In post 331, Shoshin wrote:Varsoon is scum because town don't scumread players for doing the same thing they themselves are doing.

mathdino disagrees

Mathdino is wrong.

In post 354, RadiantCowbells wrote:need to do things if they want to be townread and after that they can fuck off and lurk if that's what they want to do but obvsly happier if they stay around

lurking is never something that i to do

i just don't have as much time as i used to. there's than to go back to when i was just starting out and i could play in +10 games at a time and on multiple accounts and still contribute well in each one of them, but as of now it's just not possible.

In post 493, Shoshin wrote:Mathdino is wrong.

do you still think varsoon is scum? still reading through

Yes.

btw to be clear in case this wasn't obvious -- anything I say about how town or scum behave is probabilistic, there's exceptions to everything but that doesn't mean something isn't a tell.

Varsoon's scummy on a lot of different levels. The way he interpreted Kokichi's behavior. Absurd townread on Reck. Calling me "gullible" when it doesn't really fit at all. Exhibiting no paranoia about me in a situation where town probably would have at least some concerns. It adds up. And comparatively, everyone else is a lot more town.

you think that the townread on reck is really just something he kind of made up? i couldn't imagine why. it seemed to me like something else was going on there.

how are you reading reck right now? maybe it's kind of a tinfoil theory but i feel like there's a decent chance that from the start his whole plan as scum might have been to try to set rc off (given his experience in team mafia)

policy double voting someone from the start of the game just because of their personality seems very odd to me, and it came at a time when there was already something of an rvs wagon there (hence my initial vote)