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In post 472, Elsa Jay wrote:Getting prodded and then suddenly join the popular wagon is also weird.

You're not even the leading wagon...

To answer some things that have popped up about me:

- I've played in games where people have based deathtunnels by RNGing a target and pushing for them all game. Sore spot.
- Go read any day 1 of a game I've been in on this site and it'll become pretty apparent why I'm always defensive.

y'all need to Unvote that ^

In post 442, Kokichi Oma wrote:

In post 424, Lady Angel wrote:VOTE: Elsa Jay

Trying to RNG a lynch? Really?

VOTE: lady

Actually thinking Elsa was being serious? Really?

Why not?

In post 436, Lady Angel wrote: It's completely out of the blue and RNG-based, for one.

But how specifically is that scummy? What would be Elsa's scu motive for doing something so surface-level scummy? I get there's use in a "too scummy to be scum" play-style, but I'm not seeing how you genuinely saw her dice-roll vote scummy enough to warrant a vote. Could you link the games with the RNG-based deathtunnels?

In post 436, Lady Angel wrote: I don't like her whole "I want to be suspicious" thing, or how willing she was to sheep on Creature with a misunderstanding of time.

For one, Elsa didn't "sheep" on Creature -- she started the wagon. Can you elaborate on what you mean by "a misunderstanding of time"? Not really sure what you mean by that or why you found it scummy. You also said you liked the case on Creature, which makes it weird that you're scum-reading Elsa now since she was the one who created it.

In post 477, Carcalilly wrote:y'all need to Unvote that ^

Explain to me what you're town-reading Lady for. Just telling people to unvote w/o any reasoning isn't particularly convincing.

I'm tr-ing Elsa overall. I thought the Creature push was reachy, but I could see why she'd be motivated to push that given her misconception of the length of the deadline, and as scum I feel she'd be more content to allow a no-lynch if she really was mistaken about the deadline. I was irked off by her refusal to participate in the game overall -- it's one thing to lurk on purpose but flat out refuse to give reads was off-putting -- but I did like her contribution in post 440 as it aligns a lot with my reads, even if I didn't reach them the same way she did. In any case I think the Elsa wagon is awful and I don't see why players are scum-reading her over Lady in particular.

In post 471, ManateeDude wrote:VOTE: Elsa Jay

1. people are voting her
2. the trying on a new lurker meta is just weird..

This vote is also pretty bad and is just regurgitating what people have already said about Elsa. Also noteworthy that this is the second time he's been the L-4 vote on a wagon.

^
This guy gets it.

Anyway, so that I'm keeping track of time myself, we got less then 4 days left to figure this shit out.

i swear every game i play lady angel is getting run up

Clearly there's a fricken reason for that then.

In post 484, Nosferatu wrote:i swear every game i play lady angel is getting run up

Isn't it weird? It's apparently my defining trait in this game despite the fact that I've never drawn an anti-town role before.

Elsa Jay wrote:Clearly there's a fricken reason for that then.

hey, I've never once pretended I'm good at this game. I just like the roles.

In post 480, Snowman wrote:

In post 477, Carcalilly wrote:y'all need to Unvote that ^

Explain to me what you're town-reading Lady for. Just telling people to unvote w/o any reasoning isn't particularly convincing.

fair
What I don't get is why you're all scumreading them. They gave valid and open answers to explain their actions and everything.

I'm not satisfied by Lady's answers. The whole "played in games where people have based deathtunnels by RNGing a target" thing could potentially explain her overreaction to Elsa's dice vote, but I wanted to see the games for myself to see if its comparable, though when I asked her about this among other things she just flat out ignored me. Half of her Elsa read doesn't make any sense, and I don't like the transition from her liking the case on Creature -> attacking Elsa for pushing on Creature.

In post 488, Snowman wrote:I'm not satisfied by Lady's answers. The whole "played in games where people have based deathtunnels by RNGing a target" thing could potentially explain her overreaction to Elsa's dice vote, but I wanted to see the games for myself to see if its comparable, though when I asked her about this among other things she just flat out ignored me. Half of her Elsa read doesn't make any sense, and I don't like the transition from her liking the case on Creature -> attacking Elsa for pushing on Creature.

It wasn't on this site, and several years old. I'm not gonna be able to find them.

what else did you ask me?

ok honestly what the hell

i was entirely convinced i was replacing into a scumslot but now like... i have to put effort into this game

man

carca is locktown

dunn probwolf

Considering how me and Lady are the ones under pressure ATM, would you like to give your opinions on us?

i think both are town tbh

AG that aviiiii <3

Hello ruby i remember when u pocketed and murdered me in jjh's game

Snowman wrote:I'm not satisfied by Lady's answers. The whole "played in games where people have based deathtunnels by RNGing a target" thing could potentially explain her overreaction to Elsa's dice vote, but I wanted to see the games for myself to see if its comparable, though when I asked her about this among other things she just flat out ignored me. Half of her Elsa read doesn't make any sense, and I don't like the transition from her liking the case on Creature -> attacking Elsa for pushing on Creature.

Elsa is scummier than LA
That first point isn't really AI