Here we go!
In post 60, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:I really like Moonchild's posts thusfar. I think the answers she had to Jake's questions came off genuine and interested. I don't get the sense that there's an agenda there, at least not yet. And then there was the town slip, so
I think that if you genuinely believe the slot town slipped, that's front and center in your read on the slot. It's the magnum opus for your townread because it literally locks them as town.
With that said, I do not think that Town!EspeciallyTheLies gives a read that talks about how she's "genuine and interested" and how there's "not an agenda, at least not yet" (and if they townslipped, why is it a not yet?)
And then as an afterthought says and then there was the town slip. If you believe the townslip, that's it, the end. It's not something that you put at the end of your read as an afterthought.
In post 72, EspeciallyTheLies wrote: In post 69, Jake The Wolfie wrote:I think it's pretty reasonable, but at the same time, it is entirely possible to be an attempt of pocketing.
If Yimmy is town, why is it reasonable for him to defend you, when he presumably doesn't know anything of your alignment. <<< This should be suspicious to you. Why isn't it?
And if you disagree with the above, then you must believe he's scum trying to pocket you, in which case my question becomes - why are you not voting for him?
p-edit - buncha posts to read
This is really dumb; why can't Yimmy have a correct, legitimate townread on Jake? What's with this "oh the townread MUST be faked and Jake is scummy for not scumreading it?"
Like, what?
In post 146, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:I'm gonna need some serious cases from the people voting moonchild to be honest. She's my top townread.
This is actually the biggest one for me and I think that I've called it out but I didn't explain why it bothered me, which it does for two reasons:
1) The phrasing. "serious cases" and "to be honest". It sounds super exaggerated and fake; I don't think that's how town talks about this townread.
2) The fact that instead of herself pushing for why Moonchild is town, she's instead externalizing the responsibility onto everyone else, which is really common from scum and seems very unlikely from Town!EspeciallyTheLies who I know as a strong personality and someone who will defend her own townreads with her own effort/posting/cases.
In post 149, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:It just seems like you don't really care where your vote goes or what's actually happening. You can say it's because you want answers but you need to interact with her, which I haven't seen much of. Do you have no suspicions anywhere?
This feels more like scum pretending to have a town engagement than it feels like town having a real interaction. It feels specifically designed to look town. I would say that as well about the post she made about needing more info on multiple wagons rather than hammering someone early in the day. I think town her would be more likely to just say we don't lynch someone on Page 6 whereas scum her wants to milk it for all the towncred that she can so she goes on that long ramble about pro-town and bla bla bla. And that's ignoring the "just seems like" and the fact that the phrasing feels both really excessive and not like a proper follow up on phoning it in: she gives an extremely scummy description in this post of what she previously called phoning it in, which is low efforting.
don't understand why Moonchild is being scumread. It's pretty clear to me she townslipped unintentionally, but even despite that, her ISO is pretty town-motivated. Can you walk me through your read there a bit more, please?
Again. "Pretty clear to me", as well as the fact that she's trying to get someone else to clarify their read on moonchild as opposed to just telling them no fuck off she's town.
You might say that this is more pro-town than doing that, but that doesn't mean that it's more likely to come from town her.
@Yimmy re your responses to me in your post 181 - thank you for requoting what you said - I must have missed it somehow. While I agree that townslips are easily faked, I don't think that fits with Moonchild's other posts. They come across rather genuine. If it was a ploy, why immediately correct herself in the next post like 2 seconds later? Why not wait to collect the towncred? If her other posts sounded more sneaky or nervous, I might believe it was a fabricated slip, but at his moment I do not.
I dunno we finally got an expansion on this but it feels like entirely meaningless things to say. "posts sounded more sneaky or nervous" is a really easy thing for scum to say to buoy up a read that's hard to support based off of in thread textual evidence. I personally do not believe there is in thread textual evidence to support Moonchild being 'obvious town'. I think that it is a very easy read for scum to take to try to look pro-town though. I also think that it's a potential stance for scum to take on a buddy. But I don't really buy ETL being this sure Moonchild is town as town, and the unfalsifiability of the reasons makes me feel no better about it.
I don't think town her who was tunneling Jocus as ridiculously as she was suddenly just drops the read because two people are chainsaw attacking her; quite the opposite.
I think that she would double down on her Jocus read as town in this position because we're derailing his wagon. What motivation do we have to prevent her from lynching scum?
Makes more sense to lightly defend him and softly push her, let her lead the mislynch, then take advantage of her looking awful from that mislynch to lynch her.
On the other hand, if she's scum who knows she's pushing town!Jocus she would back down on this because making more enemies than you have to at a point like this is bad.
His “reads”. They’re garbage and twisted. And I know he’s a better player than that so they must be made up. He’s attempted to spin a specific narrative and take advantage of newbie naïveté. If he was town he’d recognize my town game right away. And yet he’s gotten the entire player list flopsided. I know for a fact RC is an incredibly strong player so this doesn’t jive.
Already pointed this out, but she calls my player list flopsided and then reevaluates the vast majority of her reads into the same reads that I have.
If I had to choose the two town from this group I’d say probably ... ugh. Maybe Dunn and jocus?
Think for a second which players she as scum is most interested in pocketing/preventing them from being interested in lynching her in that category if she's scum. It's these two.
The one voting her and the one that she was derptunneling earlier to prevent enemies being made. LDog was townreading her, etc.
I thought pyro might be town but I’m entirely convinced RC is scum at this point. << this is why town loses. RCscum = town loss without a strong enough counterforce. Unfortunately that force is not me.
Why even mention that you thought Pyro might be town unless you're setting up for after I flip town?
I have done that in the past and it didn’t work. We clash on a personality level and that’s fine. It doesn’t have anything to do with who you are as a person. Our styles of discussion/talking do not work together. I don’t have the patience anymore to deal with combative players. IRL reasons make it very important for me not to get stressed if I want to stay out of the hospital.
For the sake of the mod I will stick this game through as much as I can but I’m not interested in this situation. I’m not interested in what you think of me or my abilities as a player. So either push for my lynch or do something else, I don’t care.
I've been extremely minimally interpersonally aggressive this game, and this post really doesn't make sense as a response to someone that you think is scum.
I believe the town slip was genuine.
Still a very easy stance to take as scum and I think doubling down on it makes sense to look pro-town but I acknowledge that this isn't the best case ever against her.
at least two people suspect you pretty prominently so to proclaim yourself as obvtown seemed ignorant of that fact. It doesn't make sense from your perspective to call yourself obvtown to me and I was curious
ETL is scum and LDog doesn't have a good read on me. I'm obvious town regardless of if everyone in the game sees it.
As a final note I just think that it's healthier for the game for one of the two of us to be removed Day 1. I think that she's scum, she claims to think that I'm scum, she has expressed that for real life reasons she doesn't want this game to be messy, I'm doing my best to keep it not messy but I think that 1) even if she's town removing one of us from play is correct 2) her slot for the moonchild read alone is one that i would never want to see in endgame and 3) if she doesn't want to play with me and the mod doesn't want me to leave I think the lynch is the best tool to make everyone happy.
Don't take my comments at the end as subtracting from my scumread on her. I absolutely scumread her. But that's why I think it should absolutely not be kicked down the curb.