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Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:58 pm
by clidd
My PoE right now:


72offsuit -->
Mafia

clidd --
Town

Maduisha --
Town

GeneralWu --> ?
OldMapleNostalgia -->
Mason

ceejayvinoya (SE) --> ?
JacksonVirgo (SE) -->
Town

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:58 pm
by clidd
Considering that i am correct about Maduisha, of course.

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:00 pm
by clidd
So, if you're truly
town
, GeneralWu,
ceejay
+
72offsuit
make sense to you ?

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:00 pm
by GeneralWu
In post 472, clidd wrote:
In post 471, GeneralWu wrote:
In post 468, clidd wrote:
In post 466, GeneralWu wrote:
In post 261, clidd wrote:
Just to be clear:
I'm not voting on you because I believe in other possibilities that would consider your innocence. But, I confess that you are leaving me in a difficult position to judge.
tbh this post (and a few other ones from clidd) make me feel like if maduisha is a wolf, he'd also be one.
clidd gives me this feeling that he's trying to shield maduisha by letting her newbcard and stuff.
Hum, no.
Scum!clidd
is much more discreet. I'm just considering that she can be town because of past experiences (of players with similar behavior who were
towns
and were misslynched).
well have you considered the fact that people who do what maduisha did are more likely to be scum? even though some people who have done that may have been town, it doesn't mean everyone who does that is town.
Experienced players, perhaps.
Newb!Scum
, no. If you have a statistical basis (completed matches) to support your argument, I will take back what I said.
why would experienced players do that
I mean if you have someone who's good at the game with a first timer scumbuddy, the pro guy might instruct his scumbuddy to do that.
I feel like newer players are more likely to do that kind of quick hang, since they're able to newbcard and have a higher chance of getting away with it.

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:01 pm
by JacksonVirgo
In post 473, GeneralWu wrote:
In post 267, JacksonVirgo wrote:Mason dying is unfortunate but at least confirms the setup
not quite, the setup could either have 2 mafia goons or a mafia goon and a mafia roleblocker.
although the roleblocker's power would do nothing if there is one in the game.
Roleblocker is essentially a Goon in this setup

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:01 pm
by GeneralWu
In post 477, clidd wrote:So, if you're truly
town
, GeneralWu,
ceejay
+
72offsuit
make sense to you ?
why do you think 72offsuit and ceejay are mafia

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:02 pm
by JacksonVirgo
In post 480, GeneralWu wrote:
In post 477, clidd wrote:So, if you're truly
town
, GeneralWu,
ceejay
+
72offsuit
make sense to you ?
why do you think 72offsuit and ceejay are mafia
He doesn't

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:02 pm
by Karnage
Vote Count 2.6
72offsuit (3) ~
clidd, JacksonVirgo, ceejayvinoya,

Maduisha (2) ~
GeneralWu, OldMapleNostalgia,

OldMapleNostalgia (1) ~
Maduisha,

GeneralWu (1) ~
72offsuit,

Not voting (0) ~


With 7 alive it's 4 to lynch


Deadline: (expired on 2020-03-04 07:38:13)


V/LA: none

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:02 pm
by GeneralWu
In post 479, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 473, GeneralWu wrote:
In post 267, JacksonVirgo wrote:Mason dying is unfortunate but at least confirms the setup
not quite, the setup could either have 2 mafia goons or a mafia goon and a mafia roleblocker.
although the roleblocker's power would do nothing if there is one in the game.
Roleblocker is essentially a Goon in this setup
yeah cuz there's two masons who have no night actions and so the roleblocker doesn't have anyone to block.

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:03 pm
by GeneralWu
In post 481, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 480, GeneralWu wrote:
In post 477, clidd wrote:So, if you're truly
town
, GeneralWu,
ceejay
+
72offsuit
make sense to you ?
why do you think 72offsuit and ceejay are mafia
He doesn't
then why did he ask me that question

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:03 pm
by clidd
In post 478, GeneralWu wrote:
In post 472, clidd wrote:
In post 471, GeneralWu wrote:
In post 468, clidd wrote:
In post 466, GeneralWu wrote:
In post 261, clidd wrote:
Just to be clear:
I'm not voting on you because I believe in other possibilities that would consider your innocence. But, I confess that you are leaving me in a difficult position to judge.
tbh this post (and a few other ones from clidd) make me feel like if maduisha is a wolf, he'd also be one.
clidd gives me this feeling that he's trying to shield maduisha by letting her newbcard and stuff.
Hum, no.
Scum!clidd
is much more discreet. I'm just considering that she can be town because of past experiences (of players with similar behavior who were
towns
and were misslynched).
well have you considered the fact that people who do what maduisha did are more likely to be scum? even though some people who have done that may have been town, it doesn't mean everyone who does that is town.
Experienced players, perhaps.
Newb!Scum
, no. If you have a statistical basis (completed matches) to support your argument, I will take back what I said.
why would experienced players do that
I mean if you have someone who's good at the game with a first timer scumbuddy, the pro guy might instruct his scumbuddy to do that.
I feel like newer players are more likely to do that kind of quick hang, since they're able to newbcard and have a higher chance of getting away with it.
Hum, it's possible, but unlikely. Maduisha's behavior was extremely suspicious and would cause her to be lynched immediately. I don't see where that would bring an advantage to her partner (i was the first to TR her, so their strategy didn't work, obviously)

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:03 pm
by GeneralWu
In post 482, Karnage wrote:
Vote Count 2.6
72offsuit (3) ~
clidd, JacksonVirgo, ceejayvinoya,

Maduisha (2) ~
GeneralWu, OldMapleNostalgia,

OldMapleNostalgia (1) ~
Maduisha,

GeneralWu (1) ~
72offsuit,

Not voting (0) ~


With 7 alive it's 4 to lynch


Deadline: (expired on 2020-03-04 07:38:13)


V/LA: none
and why does he have his vote on 72offsuit

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:04 pm
by JacksonVirgo
In post 486, GeneralWu wrote:
In post 482, Karnage wrote:
Vote Count 2.6
72offsuit (3) ~
clidd, JacksonVirgo, ceejayvinoya,

Maduisha (2) ~
GeneralWu, OldMapleNostalgia,

OldMapleNostalgia (1) ~
Maduisha,

GeneralWu (1) ~
72offsuit,

Not voting (0) ~


With 7 alive it's 4 to lynch


Deadline: (expired on 2020-03-04 07:38:13)


V/LA: none
and why does he have his vote on 72offsuit
Have you read the thread?

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:04 pm
by clidd
This type of strategy would only work if everyone had a flexible mindset like mine. Evidently, most were initially in favor of Maduisha's lynch. Since day 1 it was already possible to deduce that this type of approach would rarely work in this type of game, given the playerlist.

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:07 pm
by GeneralWu
Hum, it's possible, but unlikely. Maduisha's behavior was extremely suspicious and would cause her to be lynched immediately. I don't see where that would bring an advantage to her partner (i was the first to TR her, so their strategy didn't work, obviously)
what I'm saying is the newbie player could say "oh I didn't know we weren't supposed to do that since this is like my first game of mafia" and somehow manage to get away with it.
If the pro player did something as reckless as that, he would probably be lynched immediately. But the new player who is just starting to play mafia can argue that he doesn't know it's bad for town.

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:08 pm
by GeneralWu
In post 487, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 486, GeneralWu wrote:
In post 482, Karnage wrote:
Vote Count 2.6
72offsuit (3) ~
clidd, JacksonVirgo, ceejayvinoya,

Maduisha (2) ~
GeneralWu, OldMapleNostalgia,

OldMapleNostalgia (1) ~
Maduisha,

GeneralWu (1) ~
72offsuit,

Not voting (0) ~


With 7 alive it's 4 to lynch


Deadline: (expired on 2020-03-04 07:38:13)


V/LA: none
and why does he have his vote on 72offsuit
Have you read the thread?
you guys posted like 10 pages worth of posts while I wasn't here so I'm still quickly reading through stuff
but now that you guys are online i'm busy responding to your posts and not catching up lol :mrgreen:

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:09 pm
by clidd
No, this reasoning is very simplistic. The votes on her only stopped because I intervened (precisely because I suspect she is town).

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:09 pm
by clidd
She would be lynched instantly.

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:11 pm
by clidd
In post 477, clidd wrote:So, if you're truly
town
, GeneralWu,
ceejay
+
72offsuit
make sense to you ?
Answer this, Wu.

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:11 pm
by 72offsuit
In post 308, clidd wrote:
Day 2
--> 7 players
2 mafia
vs
5 town
(
-2
--> Misslynch/Night-kill)
Day 3
-->
3 town
vs
2 mafia
(if mason alive, cc) --> (50/50 between both)

Maybe mason alive works (without mason chance is 2/5 of hitting mafia) but my life would be at risk.
Clidd only puts forward a situation where it becomes 2 maf vs 3 townie -Because he knows that im town

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:11 pm
by GeneralWu
In post 488, clidd wrote:This type of strategy would only work if everyone had a flexible mindset like mine. Evidently, most were initially in favor of Maduisha's lynch. Since day 1 it was already possible to deduce that this type of approach would rarely work in this type of game, given the playerlist.
uh actually if you look at maduisha's posts you can see that there's a pretty good chance she's mafia and she quickly found a random reason to hang phi after phi was placed at L-1.
Look at her ISO, especially the part around where she hammered phi. Her transition in attitude was pretty sudden and didn't seem natural. She doesn't seem like a newbie townie who made an honest mistake.

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:11 pm
by JacksonVirgo
In post 474, clidd wrote:Both
mafia
PRs do nothing in the current scenario. Mason without his partner is a role without mechanical power, so I asked it to claim.
Clidd yeah that's the same logic I used in clearing them

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:12 pm
by clidd
Spoiler:
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Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:13 pm
by GeneralWu
oh my you guys are posting so much it's hard for me to catch up with stuff since every time I make a post someone else makes a post responding to one of mine

i'm gonna go back and read the older posts now so if you post something i might not be able to answer it right away

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:13 pm
by clidd
Ok, both are equal in IQ. I need someone to hammer 72.