In post 436, TheTrollie wrote:I really think that only Scum-Skell could have interpreted my post the same way you are, iDanny. I don't buy that town-skell would make that same misinterpretation if she was scumreading Allo.
Why couldn't the post come from town Skell, when you know I see it the same way but you don't think I'm scum for it.
Because you werent scum-reading allo.
In post 436, TheTrollie wrote:Because if Skell was town with a legit scumread on Allo, then when she got to my post that says "yeah Allo has some townie looking posts but they don't strike me as especially hard to fake," TOWN-Skell would have to have AGREED with that completely. Because if she was scumreading allo, then she has to also agree that any townie looking posts are fabricated from scum-allo. The reason I think that slot is scum is becuase scum-Skell, with a fake-scumread on Allo would know Allo is town, and then pounce on my post saying "What makes you think Allo is faking"
I feel like we're going in circles, but this is the part that doesn't make sense with me, she can agree with you that the town tells are fake but asking why you feel he is scummy is to find out if you have a valid reasoning or your making it up because you already know the alignments.
Totally. Everything you said is true. But it's a strawman - the way you describe her actions is incorrect. She wasn't "finding out if I had valid reasoning" for "why I feel he is scummy" and she didn't "agree that the town tells are fake."
She specifically picked out my response to BB where I argued against his claim that allo was obvs-town, and seems to indicate that she
does not
or at least has questions as to whether the allo posts are authentically town or not:
I agree he has some townie posts but i think all of his towntells are easily fabricated.
Just because they are easily fabricated doesn't necessarily mean they are. Since you are voting him I assume you think they are fabricated, so what makes you think so that scum!Allo is faking his towntells here?
If the above post was more like the situation you articulated above, I wouldn't have had a problem with it. The part that makes it scummy is that it didn't go down as you described it. I'm not making a case in 106 for scum-allo, I'm defending my vote by saying that allo having townie looking posts is not inconsistent with my read on him as scum, because they could just as easily have been scum faking town.
tl;dr
106 says:
"It is possible to believe that scum-Allo would be making the same posts that you all are reading as town."
To question the legitimacy of that take is inconsistent with a player who is, in their next post, going to vote allo. If you are going to vote allo, you also MUST agree with 106, and Skell's 121 shows that she's not fully on board.
I get what your saying now, thanks for sticking with me , I'm not sure if I want to vote the slot yet, I'll wait for more from Madoka.
@mavasfan, Can you not find anyone worthy of your vote?
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:57 am
by mavsfan41
@iDanyboy: I lean Skellen/Madoka. I brought this up earlier which Trollie did respond to, is that Skellen voting Allomancer doesn’t quite make sense to me. A vote onto bob3141 would make the most sense given the conditions. Also, lots of incomplete reads on the other players.
@Trollie: How do you feel about post 116? I’ve been reading Skellen’s entrance into the game over and over both framed as she’s scum and then as town. Post 116 seems to suspect Allomancer who she does eventually vote. Post 119 agrees with Allomancer’s read. Post 121 is the defense of Allomancer and post 122 is the Allomancer vote. This seems to flip flop quite a bit on Allomancer. None of her posts have consistency on Allomancer. You’ve pointed out the inconsistencies in posts 121 and 122. But this was a theme earlier with less conviction. She seems to be fixated on Allomancer leading to a wide range of thinking he’s town then thinking he’s scum. I can see town skellen doing this whereas scum Skellen would just be lazy and make a case for a bob vote. The Unvote of allomancer as the first post she makes after you throw suspicion on her and that whole post in general has a weird feel to it. Thoughts? You’ve got my vote, but I don’t wanna let iDanyboy bully me into a vote, so can’t do it in this post
Thinking big picture too, if Skellen is scum, that would clear Trollie and very likely mean Allomancer is town as well. Any thoughts as to potential partners?
Which still doesn't answer the question? Why is he defending Danyboy if he doesn't think he's town (if true)? Why is he essentially arguing for scum to be given the right to coast?
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:41 pm
by Bambi Jay
It's like moves in pokemon. Some moves gotta go before others in order for the battle to play out properly. Day 1 is either Bullet Punch or a Fakeout. Depending on who wins.
In post 350, iDanyboy wrote:Any big disagreement with my list or something anyone want to discuss
I can't tell if I love or hate this post
What do you think is to love or hate about it?
It reads very over-eager to me
I don't see iDanyBoy being read anywhere near neutral this game
Anyone who reads otherwise, I'd be wary of
Can you rephrase the second part? I'm having difficulty parsing what you mean. Are you saying it's suspicious to have Dany as a null read? Also what is to love about being over-eager?
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:42 pm
by Madoka
My reads are aligned with MT's except for Para and me. I'm less sure on Cat too. It felt like her vote on me was premeditated.
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:56 pm
by Morning Tweet
While I was reflecting on the list I came to the realization that I don't really know exactly why I lean town on paragon, but I decided "Whatever I'm not changing it."
Also I admit my reason for townreading Cat early on was a bit shabby, but I didn't have a lot to go off of. I kind of placed her in the town block for one thing that could just as well be done by scum and she hasn't posted too much since then
that's an interesting coincidence you chose those reads in particular just for that im gonna
UNVOTE:
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:41 am
by geraintm
have tried to pay a little attention to Trollie since I voted for them.
they, as they announced in advance, went and voted for madoken
In post 453, TheTrollie wrote:madoka - i like ur last post. thats the first post I've liked from ur slot the whole game actually.
What are your reads? Are you ready to place a vote?
Hi Titus!
later on this post, which feels like inching towards moving vote away.
There is less flipping their votes around sinc ei posted about them, but I don't really want to move my vote anywhere
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:45 am
by bob3141
will catch up later when i have time.
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:33 am
by Titus
Desperately frustrated by the number of people that think it's ok to answer on behalf of anyone else, much less Danyboy and Expressojet. Almost certainly one should be scum. If it's a fact question sure, but such defenses get in the way of reading shots.
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:37 am
by iDanyboy
Why am I almost certainly scum?
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:51 am
by Espressojet
@Titus
When four players in your thread easily and seamlessly answer a question directed at another...
... maybe it has some merit?
I really shouldn't have to explain better than this
Spoiler: This
In post 480, Morning Tweet wrote:It's going to be hard to answer a question for a viewpoint he hasnt expressed
In post 483, Bambi Jay wrote:It's like moves in pokemon. Some moves gotta go before others in order for the battle to play out properly. Day 1 is either Bullet Punch or a Fakeout. Depending on who wins.
In post 484, geraintm wrote:
Also, wanting to lynch people doesn't mean you are sure they are scum
I'm a little concerned by Titus' forced opinions, but I perceive it more as ignorant than scummy
In post 350, iDanyboy wrote:Any big disagreement with my list or something anyone want to discuss
I can't tell if I love or hate this post
What do you think is to love or hate about it?
It reads very over-eager to me
I don't see iDanyBoy being read anywhere near neutral this game
Anyone who reads otherwise, I'd be wary of
Can you rephrase the second part? I'm having difficulty parsing what you mean. Are you saying it's suspicious to have Dany as a null read? Also what is to love about being over-eager?
My initial impression of iDanyBoy is that they were the kind of player people had strong opinions about, which is no problem, nor conducive of his own behavior, but later on can tell you a lot about the people reading him I believe
This probably applies more late game, as I tend to think long-term on day 1
And, well, what's not to love about someone expressing their willingness to discuss, workshop, and expand their thoughts?... Unless it's a scummy lie and they're trying to steer others' opinions
Misedit. I meant one of your defenders is almost certainly scum. You're my biggest suspect based on votes.
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:41 am
by Titus
In post 493, Espressojet wrote:When four players in your thread easily and seamlessly answer a question directed at another...
... maybe it has some merit?
Maybe, but it's scummy and wrong to answer before a slot does. That's even if I'm wrong. Such behavior prevents people generally from reading the person their answering questions of.
I also disagree and think that maybe people misinterpreted my question.
Are you at all concerned with expressojet defending you (or whatever you call not a priority lynch) given you're voting him and he says you're not a townread?
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:07 am
by Cat Scratch Fever
I'm going to put in some effort into this game today
Yell at me if I don't
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:12 am
by iDanyboy
In post 496, Titus wrote:Are you at all concerned with expressojet defending you (or whatever you call not a priority lynch) given you're voting him and he says you're not a townread?
No, I could see it coming from town or mafia, saying not to lynch a lurker is easy to say so doesn't help me read him either way.
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:44 am
by Morning Tweet
In post 491, Titus wrote:Desperately frustrated by the number of people that think it's ok to answer on behalf of anyone else, much less Danyboy and Expressojet. Almost certainly one should be scum. If it's a fact question sure, but such defenses get in the way of reading shots.
He pretty much answered first in 469. That post makes it fairly clear to me he doesn't have any new townread on Dany.
I considered not making the comment, but I think asking "Why is Dany town?" to someone who hasn't indicated he townreads Dany, then again indicates he doesn't intend to defend Dany is at best unuseful and at worst some kind of loaded question setup
That being said if this is some kind of scumhunting technique I apologize if I hindered it
, I'm not sure if I want to vote the slot yet, I'll wait for more from Madoka.