In post 441, Morning Tweet wrote:Something odd about this game-- I'm pretty new around the site, and I've played exactly 1 Hectic game prior to this.
He's playing very similarly to how he did there. Now some circumstances about that game were weird, the town had to collectively try and hide a spy within the mafia and because of that, posting serious reads wasn't a great idea
However, even then this is pretty much the kind of player I expected Hectic to be in regular games. im not convinced that meming around is a scumtell for Hectic. Unless I'm misinterpreting the case
In post 452, Aloratom wrote:I don't mind the tictac wagon. Hectic's nonsense filler questions, though, are just padding his ISO, polluting it. I don't see him accomplishing much. People say that's consistent with his meta. That's okay I guess, but it seems off.
VOTE: Hectic
I hate this post for several reasons.
1) It agrees with the tic tac lynch yet proposes a new lynch candidate.
2) it does not actively fight for the lynch being proposed nor does anything to change the meta town reads on hectic.
3) it is wishy washy. Alo says that it's okay if that hectics play is matching his town meta proposed by other people, yet still ends up voting him. I could understand the meta point if he didnt end up agreeing that it was a fair assumption for hectic. His scumread and reason to vote is directly the antithesis of the meta reads being thrown out. Alo should be disagreeing with those reads therefore.
Pedit: then why did you agree to what has been said in the quoted post above?
Maybe a better way to have put it would to have been to say that I'm not obliged to trust the conclusions that other people reach about him based on his meta. I just don't see how making an ISO that's difficult to wade through by asking filler questions is of benefit to a Town-minded player.
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:34 am
by Aloratom
In post 472, Hectic wrote:It's basically just putting out early readlists and being more transparent, Hodlne. The joking is definitely still there.
Since I'm probably never using this alt again: Paragon
Okay. For reasons.
UNVOTE: Hectic
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:35 am
by Morning Tweet
I legitimately thought you just randomly went through the game, saw that ammo, and spontaneously decided to torture me. To be fair that bit lasted for almost the entirety of the game
You were really fun in Donnie-- I don't know how I didn't connect Paragon, who i've played MORE games with, to you
Pedit: @Alo, why don't you check out his meta for yourself if you would prefer not to trust others on it?
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:43 am
by Hectic
Yeah, and I even asked you to rank 3 animals like I did in Marker lul
Donnie was so much fun, basically a dream setup for me where joking around was
protown
. I don't think I'm ever gonna stop calling Spiffeh Donnie Brasco in random other games. That guy exudes Donnie vibes.
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:57 am
by SirCakez
In post 452, Aloratom wrote:I don't mind the tictac wagon. Hectic's nonsense filler questions, though, are just padding his ISO, polluting it. I don't see him accomplishing much. People say that's consistent with his meta. That's okay I guess, but it seems off.
VOTE: Hectic
What makes you think his questions are off if you're aware it's his meta?
Based on your questions back towards Wake you think wake is the scum in this exchange. I'm I correct in this? Or have you change from when you raised the counterpoint about playstyles and dodging questions?
I lean that way a little bit.
Wake's tons of questions without real content backing them up is kinda scummy.
But it could also just be his playstyle. Also I don't TR Alo especially strongly.
How was it scummy in your eyes given that fact his question was going unanswered?
I could understand it a bit more if you had said something citing Wake's declaration of a SR on alo due to it, but I'm not seeing how him following up on the intital question scummy itself?
Did you factor in the second hand accounts of his meta that were discussed earlier in the game into this interaction?
This might be a hectic-esque situation where it's just his playstyle. But my view at the time was the questions (not just to Alo) came off like "content" without real town scumhunting purpose behind them.
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:58 am
by SirCakez
I liked Holden's posts on the last page a lot for town. Asking actually good questions.
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:02 am
by Morning Tweet
I feel slightly better about Holden, worse about Alo now
In post 481, Hectic wrote:Yeah, and I even asked you to rank 3 animals like I did in Marker lul
Donnie was so much fun, basically a dream setup for me where joking around was
protown
. I don't think I'm ever gonna stop calling Spiffeh Donnie Brasco in random other games. That guy exudes Donnie vibes.
i surprise even myself with how oblivious I am sometimes
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:35 am
by davesaz
In post 437, Hectic wrote:That's clearly not all I'm doing though. Dave, why don't you consider 346, 401, 402, or 430 as scumhunting?
I see you stating a few opinions, but I don't see you engaging in conversation to strengthen or validate the opinions.
In post 472, Hectic wrote:It's basically just putting out early readlists and being more transparent, Hodlne. The joking is definitely still there.
Since I'm probably never using this alt again: Paragon
I read the ISO from permanent marker (ironically I randomly read the first few pages from it before this game out of boredom)
I feel better about it now in terms of the alt mention being used as a way for town cred. I do think though if your goal is to be transparent, you can do that better.
On a slider of 1 to 100, how transparent are you being?
Outside of Alo, do you personally feel others are justified in their suspections of you? What do you think of profi especially give MT thoughts?
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:05 am
by HoldenGolden
In post 473, Morning Tweet wrote:Not really you Holden, more Alo and profii. I think I missed the alt comment
In post 401, Hectic wrote:The early readslists and questioning I've been doing on an alt of mine with decent results; trying it out here now! Sir Cakez, why is the progression not there for a readslist? Not all the reads are substanceful/have good reasoning behind them - some are just thoughts and feelings.
I guess you could say that. I've seen Hectic use readslists as part of the jokes before. He wasn't joking this time with this readlist though.
Sure it could be a towncred excuse, but did he really have to justify himself that heavily for something as little as an early readslist? I don't think scum!hectic would feel like he needs to give some kind of alibi for it, so overall kinda NAI
To explain the idea I have with the alt a bit more:
You are right in that it didnt need a justification as either alignment. THATS what it stood out to me. He did justify it with the alt explanation. It's hard to put into words, but The way he worded it to me made me doubt the intentions of included it.
That's why I needed to know more about the alt which now has let me seen that the paragon alt threw out both joke and more serious reads list with no explanations.
You have to remember MT that scum!hectic can't rely on his town playstyle being known by everybody. For that fact, I do not think it's out of question for scum!hectic to try and justify his posts as well when it comes to playstyle.
In post 441, Morning Tweet wrote:Something odd about this game-- I'm pretty new around the site, and I've played exactly 1 Hectic game prior to this.
He's playing very similarly to how he did there. Now some circumstances about that game were weird, the town had to collectively try and hide a spy within the mafia and because of that, posting serious reads wasn't a great idea
However, even then this is pretty much the kind of player I expected Hectic to be in regular games. im not convinced that meming around is a scumtell for Hectic. Unless I'm misinterpreting the case
> "Ah, so you've written all the places with you scumhunting down, just for this moment!"
it's like he's forcing Hectic to be scum. I thought it might be a joke but ig not
VOTE: profii
I think it's kinda forcing Hectic to be scum no matter what he does. I assumed it was a joke so I just called it "not nice".. but apparently it wasn't
@Hectic
I'm stupid!!
I want to hear from hectic about what he thinks about profi first (which I'm to blame for interrupting this conversation), but I think there is a fallacy to your read.
I shouldn't forget, but I have a sucky short term memory, so please do remind me if I forget to bring it up after Hboy responds
In post 452, Aloratom wrote:I don't mind the tictac wagon. Hectic's nonsense filler questions, though, are just padding his ISO, polluting it. I don't see him accomplishing much. People say that's consistent with his meta. That's okay I guess, but it seems off.
VOTE: Hectic
I hate this post for several reasons.
1) It agrees with the tic tac lynch yet proposes a new lynch candidate.
2) it does not actively fight for the lynch being proposed nor does anything to change the meta town reads on hectic.
3) it is wishy washy. Alo says that it's okay if that hectics play is matching his town meta proposed by other people, yet still ends up voting him. I could understand the meta point if he didnt end up agreeing that it was a fair assumption for hectic. His scumread and reason to vote is directly the antithesis of the meta reads being thrown out. Alo should be disagreeing with those reads therefore.
Pedit: then why did you agree to what has been said in the quoted post above?
Maybe a better way to have put it would to have been to say that I'm not obliged to trust the conclusions that other people reach about him based on his meta. I just don't see how making an ISO that's difficult to wade through by asking filler questions is of benefit to a Town-minded player.
I'm going to assume from the unvote that the alt reveal gave you info about his meta, so I'll leave that point alone.
This might sound like a stupid question, but what was your plan in the post you voted him? The way you worded it makes it so you are not opposing the lurking p lynch on tictac while justifying being off the wagon. I think you can understand why this bugs me.
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:20 am
by HoldenGolden
This might be a hectic-esque situation where it's just his playstyle. But my view at the time was the questions (not just to Alo) came off like "content" without real town scumhunting purpose behind them.
I think I finally understand your point better upon rereading Wakes questions. Makes more sense in my head.
Do you view my point about Alo's post similarly?
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:31 am
by davesaz
The "alt" thing specifically doesn't affect my views at all, because I don't think I've ever played with that alt.
I generally agree with the use of meta when looking for departures from "normal" or spotting specific tells for an individual, but this-game-specific play overrides meta when applicable.
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:57 am
by Klick
Chemist1422 replaces tictac.
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:04 am
by Chemist1422
its me
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:07 am
by Chemist1422
I should probably clarify that I'm only here because a) the mod is a cool guy and b) the meme of me subbing into top wagon slots in mini normals needs to be perpetuated
But all that means is that I haven't read the thread yet don't worry
The question is. Does this wagon have scum in it or have scum avoided it.
If scum have avoided it, then why. Is tic scum or does scum not want to be see to go after lurker lynch.
I certainly cant see more than one of them being scum. If tic flips town.
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:35 am
by bob3141
I just dont see the incentive.
If tic tac is scum. Then my gut is saying that one of those push for tic tac lynch. Is in fact scum trying to bus a weak slots to get an advantage.
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:39 am
by bob3141
Waka since your now voting tictac. How does your belief that tictac is scum thats shut down affect your ealier belief to vote Alort?
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:42 am
by bob3141
Gamma i see your voting tictac from an early rvs vote.
Is your vote on him now serous?
And what do you think of those choosing not to vote or vote for tictac?
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:49 am
by Wake1
In post 497, bob3141 wrote:Waka since your now voting tictac. How does your belief that tictac is scum thats shut down affect your ealier belief to vote Alort?
I'm pressuring tictac because he's posted the least, and too-oftenly-to-be-comfortable they tend to flip Scum.
My thoughts on Aloratom haven't changed. He never explained why you were definite Scum when asked, and because the rest of the Town didn't seem to care about him avoiding the question I kind of lost interest. I still want an answer from him, and I can be very patient.
i surprise even myself with how oblivious I am sometimes
