Newbie 2016: Snapdragons (Game Over)

[ClarkBar]

@Looker: Would I be correct in guessing that your flip percentage preference does not necessarily correlate to town v scum reads?

[Battle Mage]

Lucky and blopp. Maybe Clark but I'm unsure

Blopp solely because of Lucky's case, and Lucky himself as scum? eh...

Also can you all look back at my two questions (rqs) I asked. I really want to know the answer for the first one.

This guy is town at least. Good to see you old friend!

UNVOTE:
I don't want a quick hammer. L-2 is plenty for pressure. Scumlean on Lucky for not removing his vote. Could be hoping for that quickhammer

Is he your only scumlean or do you have more?

Lucky and blopp. Maybe Clark but I'm unsure

"I scumlean Lucky for possibly wanting a quick hammer on my other scumlean."

For the record, I'm expecting Blopp not to post again until the slot is replaced, and if the slot claims VT I will be pushing for the slot to be eliminated.

Interesting Lucky says here that a VT claim should be eliminated, then fake-claims PR himself later in day. (sorry for spoilers)

For the record, I'm expecting Blopp not to post again until the slot is replaced, and if the slot claims VT I will be pushing for the slot to be eliminated.

So I am going to address this after all. As Jam may recall, I can be somewhat of lush and tonight is no exception, but I'll try and keep my thoughts clear.

I do find activity on this site by a player which does not occur in the thread(s) in which they are playing to be scum-indicative. In other words, if you're here doing stuff (on Mafiascum) but not

posting in the game you're in

I find that suspicious. I hate to keep referencing my last game, but it's my only frame of reference. In my last game there was a player whose activity/behavior outside of our game thread was distinctly different than it was inside it. I voted for that player, the wagon got to L-1, and then the player was replaced. That slot ended up being scum.

Which brings up my next point, and I am just thinking out loud here. I think Lucky is correct in pushing this "angle". I think I disagree that a replacement be lynched unless they claim a PR. How can a replacement answer for another player who has barely posted? What information can be gleaned from that Lynch provided it doesn't turn up scum? Just a wagon exam?

I know: "here goes Clarkbar defending Blopp again". I disagree that I ever did, and I'm not doing so now.

I like the wagon well enough,

I just wonder about the virtue of that last bit regarding lynching a replacement unless there's a PR claim.

Since Lucky has made that the condition of a successful claim, couldn't any replacement (even town perhaps) make a PR claim? Thus forcing possible counter-claims?

This guy is probably town? Bold pings me though, as the first indication that Clark supports the wagon - previously had been main opponent of it. Not sure of scum motive for that - wanting to stick with crowd? But then why stand out in the first place?

Red is interesting foreshadowing of what Lucky does later. The fact that the scum motive for doing this was discussed in thread (possibility of forcing a counter-claim), makes it harder to buy that Lucky does this as naive-town rather than scum.

If you think the target of a wagon is scum, it doesn't matter that it's not fair to their replacement that they have to defend another player's actions. If scum fake claims TPR and gets CC'd, we still win the trade. Scum trading 1-for-1 is a losing trade for them.

Although clearly scum claiming TPR and getting CC'd is better than dying in vain right? Seems obvious Lucky is scum here, given how rest of day has panned out, but I want to finish catching up first. will continue tomorrow.

[Battle Mage]

Independent Reads (not based on possible pairings)

Towniest town

TheThirteenthJT

Townclub on probation

ClarkBar

Switzerland

Looker
LicketyQuickety
JamSV

Scummy nominee

72offsuit

Surefire scum

Raya36
LuckyLuciano

[ClarkBar]

I’m on mobile right now, so I can’t respond to some stuff. Raya/LL scumteam fascinates me though. They would have done quite a terrific distancing job were that the case...

Also, loving this sweet sweet BM posting. Will continue tomorrow? You just got started! What a tease.

[Nahdia]

Vote Count 1.09

LuckyLuciano (3):

JamSV, Raya36, Looker

Raya36 (2):

TheThirteenthJT, 72offsuit

Battle Mage (1):

LuckyLuciano

TheThirteenthJT (1):

LicketyQuickety

Not Voting (2):

Battle Mage, ClarkBar

Deadline is in

(expired on 2020-07-11 13:52:07)

, at which point we will default to no elimination.

With nine players alive, it takes

five

to reach majority.

Mod Note:

Seeking replacement for LuckyLuciano.

[Battle Mage]

I’m on mobile right now, so I can’t respond to some stuff. Raya/LL scumteam fascinates me though. They would have done quite a terrific distancing job were that the case...

Also, loving this sweet sweet BM posting. Will continue tomorrow? You just got started! What a tease.

I laughed harder at this than your description of yourself as "a bit lush"

I think an LL scum-flip should give an easy solve, although I haven't worked that through yet - will do that once I've experienced the whole game. Plenty of time left yet!

[LicketyQuickety]

Scummy nominee
72offsuit

I haven't the slightest clue what this means. It's a newbie - no one is getting a Nom for this game.

[Battle Mage]

Scummy nominee
72offsuit

I haven't the slightest clue what this means. It's a newbie - no one is getting a Nom for this game.

Ah sorry, it's just a readslist! I basically ordered people from most likely town to most likely scum, with rough tiers.

Rest assured, I don't actually think 72offsuit is getting a scummy for blindly sheeping Lucky and jerking the newbie.

[72offsuit]

because he has an obsession with me

No, I don't. My problem is with people who play like you who don't really care about their Town game so they do dumb shit like this so they can pull the same sort of thing as Scum. That's something I despise. It has nothing to do with you personally. It has to do with the fact you would rather play in a way that is more manipulative than straightforward. I don't really care if that is a playstyle or not, it generally makes you a bad person. There are MANY different ways to play this game while still being straightforward and not doing dumb ass shit to up your Scum game.

In the nicest way possible, he just apologised at the end of that last post, you should at the very least have the courtesy not to slag him off now he's getting a replacement.

Some players are simply abrasive, verging on toxic. That's just the world we live in.

[TheThirteenthJT]

Independent Reads (not based on possible pairings)

Towniest town

TheThirteenthJT

Townclub on probation

ClarkBar

Switzerland

Looker
LicketyQuickety
JamSV

Scummy nominee

72offsuit

Surefire scum

Raya36
LuckyLuciano

Your going to get me elimnated here! Lol.

I'm excited to be playing with you again as well.

Unrelated to this game but Hamilton is good and I looked down on my phone and missed some good stuff lol. I'll see you all tomorrow.

[ClarkBar]

I couldn’t get into Hamilton at all. Though the guy playing King George was fantastic.

[ClarkBar]

Pattern I’ve noticed on this site. If I’m really into it posting goes way down. If I’m completely fucked over a weekend 6 or so pages pop up. I guess at this rate tomorrow will be a banner day for this game.

[72offsuit]

Hmm what to do with this slot. I don't want to wait for replacement of we aren't going to give them a fair chance. Personally for me I'd say to almost disregard LL plays for whomever replaces in but I know that's not really possible. I want everyone in this wagon to give their opinions on what just happened.

I'll give you my opinion, regardless of the apology at the end of 451 I find the last few posts by LL to be unacceptable. There's a dignified way of doing what LL did, but LL chose to be nasty and childish.

That said, I don't know that I find it all that AI. The fake TPR claim is strange, and potentially disastrous if LL is town and our setup has two masons, but falls in line with the defeatist and trashy behavior LL has demonstrated. His stated reason for doing it is something I find believable given his attitude. Obviously I'd like to hear what his replacement has to say but I don't know that I consider LL's wagon any weaker or stronger than before his embarrassing display.

I have seen LL be a bit snarky and abrasive before, that time he was scum. Newbie 2001.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=82865

In that game:
LL's post 507, his 576, his 580, his 582.

I don;t think his abrasiveness there really compares to it in this game.
There he swears more, and is more AtE-ish (Appealing to Emotion)

Having played with Quick before, I can understand LL's frustration towards Quick.

Regardless, I'm fairly confident that LL is town and Raya is scum.

[72offsuit]

I’m on mobile right now, so I can’t respond to some stuff. Raya/LL scumteam fascinates me though. They would have done quite a terrific distancing job were that the case...

Also, loving this sweet sweet BM posting. Will continue tomorrow? You just got started! What a tease.

I laughed harder at this than your description of yourself as "a bit lush"

I think an LL scum-flip should give an easy solve, although I haven't worked that through yet - will do that once I've experienced the whole game. Plenty of time left yet!

Why is the "easy" route out the best one?

[72offsuit]

Ever heard of too-good-to-be-true?

[72offsuit]

Looker
LicketyQuickety
JamS

Only 2 town-reads when from !town BM's PoV there are 7 other town?
Yeah nah. Scummy reads list.

[72offsuit]

6*

[ClarkBar]

72, does BM’s posting make you reconsider the Blopp wagon as garbage?

[72offsuit]

It feels to me like his wagon got run up, he doesnt want town wasting town focussing on him, and doesnt care all that much about this game, so isnt that fussed about being night-killed.

I don't know where you're getting the don't care about the game vibe because those wall posts about me seemed like caring

Why are you disputing what I said when it's obvious my read on him was correct. He is replacing out is he not?
So unless you think I am EXACTLY scum-teamed-with-LL, why question my read?

[72offsuit]

Keep on digging your own grave Raya. *Dig Dig*

[ClarkBar]

Ever heard of too-good-to-be-true?

Sometimes a good thing is just a good thing.

[72offsuit]

I think my whole case and how reactionary Lucky acted in response is enough on its own

I don't believe the claim at all. Scum ALWAYS claims a PR in this situation. So why are we just blindly trusting Lucky's PR claim when we don't even know the specific role and can just get by without a counterclaim

Who is the "we" that you refer to in this post?

We as in town in general

I'd like you to be more specific. WHICH particular players in particular werer you referring to?

[72offsuit]

Ever heard of too-good-to-be-true?

Sometimes a good thing is just a good thing.

Why are you answering what I'm directing at BM?

[72offsuit]

72, does BM’s posting make you reconsider the Blopp wagon as garbage?

In what way? BM is scummy.

[72offsuit]

What prompted you to ask this question?