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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:33 am
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:04 pm
by Chumbo
I really don't get the intention behind the PRs post by N_M. It seems scummy. As long as the pressure isn't put too much on PRs I don't see why they should claim.

I'm thinking it's either Not_Mafia or Ninetails.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:13 pm
by borkjerfkin
Ninetales was prodded.

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:54 pm
by Not_Mafia
In post 476, Chumbo wrote:I really don't get the intention behind the PRs post by N_M
The intention is there in black and white, you just don't want to read it as scummy because you don't like me as a player

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:55 pm
by Not_Mafia
In post 478, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 476, Chumbo wrote:I really don't get the intention behind the PRs post by N_M
The intention is there in black and white, you just
don't
want to read it as scummy because you don't like me as a player
PEdit

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:01 pm
by Not_Mafia
In post 74, LoneMarkhor wrote:Not_Mafia is really pro-town.Everyone should trust him.
VOTE: Not_mafia
In post 105, LoneMarkhor wrote:I think Not Mafia is the most likely to be mafia.He has been acting insane since the beginning. Its like'Let the town fight among themselves.'
Marcistar: You are voting me but you are ignoring Not_Mafia.What should I think of that?
Most likely partners are paopao or marcistar but I am not sure about that yet.
In post 114, LoneMarkhor wrote:Why I think Marcistar is scum partner with not_mafia is because she voted me for not being so active but ignored not_mafia.Pao because of the post where he said he doesn't believe no_mafia is scum.But then I remembered that many other players are also not noticing not_mafia so I realized I was wrong.
In post 117, LoneMarkhor wrote:I feel we should sort out not_mafia first if that's his play style or something.Idk if he'll get any serious. I think scum use D1
for townies to get eliminated as in the end only they get suspected because the scum are just trying to not get suspected.
In post 138, LoneMarkhor wrote:So nobody else thinks not_mafia is scum?

MOD: Is there some kind of rule that one scum is always SE or is it completely random?
This isn't how newbscum acts with their partner

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:03 pm
by Chumbo
The intention is that people should claim, but why? In any of these scenarios, the person just gets outed as a PR. We still have the same percentage chance beforehand. Do you just not want to waste time scumreading a PR?

Pedit: Those were all in the first few pages of the game.

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:05 pm
by Not_Mafia
VOTE: Donkey Kong

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:12 pm
by Chumbo
In post 482, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Donkey Kong
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:13 pm
by Not_Mafia
In post 481, Chumbo wrote:The intention is that people should claim,
No it's that a very specific PR should claim, because they put us in a 75% chance to win
In post 481, Chumbo wrote:We still have the same percentage chance beforehand.
We don't, please go back and read the post, if there is a Friendly Neighbour, we can confirm 3 people as town, giving us a 4 person scumpool with 3 eliminations left
In post 481, Chumbo wrote:Pedit: Those were all in the first few pages of the game.
Your point being? Scum are at their most awkward and unsure at the start of the game. Newbscum doesn't come out bussing, they come out trying to push what they think is an easy miselim cos they see the idiot with the dancing cow avatar claiming Jester in giant rainbow text. Scum love to try and push me early game.

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:16 pm
by Chumbo
In post 484, Not_Mafia wrote:Your point being? Scum are at their most awkward and unsure at the start of the game. Newbscum doesn't come out bussing, they come out trying to push what they think is an easy miselim cos they see the idiot with the dancing cow avatar claiming Jester in giant rainbow text. Scum love to try and push me early game.
Why? Nobody who is the first wagon gets lynched early. It always goes on from what I've seen. If your going to pretend to bus, it seems best to do it early on.

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:20 pm
by Not_Mafia
Good sir, you are tunneled

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:23 pm
by Chumbo
I just want to know how claiming helps town. I promise I'm really not tunneling.

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:25 pm
by Not_Mafia
In post 464, Not_Mafia wrote:Btw there's a 1/3 chance we're in a set-up with just one PR.

Everyone should confirm if they are a friendly neighbour in their next post. If there is a Friendly Neighbour then the 2 PRs plus the innocent from the JK or Tracker gives us 3 conftowns and leaves us with 1 scum to find in 4 people and 3 eliminations to do it, which is a 75% chance to win.

If there isn't one and there is a tracker then they know they either have a doc or JK to protect them and can out results with more confidence,

If there are masons then those claiming puts us in a good position, with 3 eliminations in 5 players. But it's debatable whether they should claim.
Which part do you want clarification on?

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:27 pm
by Chumbo
Why PRs should claim even though it opens them up to NKs.

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:36 pm
by Not_Mafia
If there is a Friendly Neighbour, then we are in one of two set-ups

Goon, Rolecop vs Friendly Neighbour, Jailkeeper and 5 VTs
Goon, Rolecop vs Tracker, Jailkeeper and 5 VTs

The JK or Tracker cannot have been blocked so will be guaranteed to have a result (unless they targetted Battle Mage, which is unlikely), the two PRs plus the innocent result from the JK or Tracker gives us 3 confirmed town, meaning only 4 players can possibly be scum, we have 3 eliminations left so we would have 3/4 chance to eliminate the last scum

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:37 pm
by Not_Mafia
In post 490, Not_Mafia wrote:If there is a Friendly Neighbour, then we are in one of two set-ups

Goon, Rolecop vs Friendly Neighbour, Jailkeeper and 5 VTs
Goon, Rolecop vs Tracker,
Jailkeeper
Friendly Neighbour and 5 VTs

The JK or Tracker cannot have been blocked so will be guaranteed to have a result (unless they targetted Battle Mage, which is unlikely), the two PRs plus the innocent result from the JK or Tracker gives us 3 confirmed town, meaning only 4 players can possibly be scum, we have 3 eliminations left so we would have 3/4 chance to eliminate the last scum

PEdit

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:38 pm
by Chumbo
Why does the setup matter enough to potentially kill PRs tonight? If they don''t need to claim, they might not die.

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:47 pm
by Not_Mafia
Because Friendly Neighbour is the only active town PR that only exists in the Goon/Rolecop set-ups, therefore it's the only role that can claim without the danger of there being a roleblocker to have stopped PR results or being the sole PR against two goons.

It's the only role that is almost guaranteed to lead to the 75% chance to win. The only thing that would stop it is if the Tracker/JK targetted the NK'd player or the FN themself, which is unlikely and in which case they don't out.

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:54 pm
by Chumbo
Every setup has a goon in it. If you can show me evidence that you've done this before as town, I'll believe you. Goon is the most likely mafia role.

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:56 pm
by Not_Mafia
In post 494, Chumbo wrote:Every setup has a goon in it.
How is that relevant to anything I just said?

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:57 pm
by Not_Mafia
I haven't done this before as town

Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:03 am
by Chumbo
I really just don't know. I don't understand why this would be beneficial.

Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:40 am
by Ninetales
Sorry life got busy and I only got to check in a few times during the last day phase nearing the end. I've seen the flip and I'm very glad we hit scum on day 1 because that greatly lowers the chances of scum winning. I'm not done reading all of yesterday's end but just looking at the wagon alone, Marcistar looks really good and catboi looks terrible. I'll finish reading everything today.

Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:47 am
by catboi
Yawn. You're boring, Ninetales.