Newbie 2073: Parfait (Over)

[catboi]

In other words, you know that outting yourself as VT was bad for town, and yet that's exactly what you did:

UNVOTE:

If that is actually true I am rather annoyed at him bluffing a scumread on you but it means things make a lot more sense to me and I have an opportunity to fully reset my reads.

What makes you sure I wasn't treating the claim credulously to hide my role? I'm not claiming anything.

[GeneralWu]

Val, why do you think catboi is scum?

I think he's pretty towny.

When shwinnie said that he'd hammer me out of boredom, catboi unvoted me.
Right now, he's not hammering T3 even though T3 is basically confirmed scum. This could be because anyone who hammers right now could look suspicious, though I still think it's a towny move from catboi.

[Roden]

Nearly posthumous reads:
shwinn, Nav - ocklocklocktown
std - town
Val - lean scum
Wu - scum

everyone else - shit idk

Not sure how I'm unsortable when I caught scum Day 1 without actually outing Masons. I'm most likely the NK tonight unless scum thinks they can convince everyone I went for an extremely awkward bus. But tbh I'm pretty fine with dying tonight, after how I started off today I was expecting to be an easy mis-elim, so I'll take this trade.

As far as T3's partner goes, it wouldn't be a plot twist if it turned out to be Catboi. I'll have to reread his ISO but I did mention having reservations about him earlier.

Like I said to Val, would love for one of you to go into this, because I very much enjoy being able to talk about ~*^my scum game^*~ and how this isn't it.

I'm saving it for Day 2, and I think it would be smart for Val to do the same. If you aren't scum then the true last scum wants to keep one of us alive that has the better case against you for the mis-elim. If you are scum then I don't want to give you any info on who you should kill.

If you think there's a possibility you'll be NKed, you should probably be making your case on who's scum right now, sine you're not going to be able to post it when you're dead!

Interesting wording to say "

when

you're dead".

I'm gonna stick to my guns on holding back though. The fact of the matter is that even if scum doesn't want to risk keeping me alive to make my case Day 2, Val's still there, and I feel good enough about him that he's town locked at this point. Think of it as me incentivizing scum to silence me so Val can clean up safely. I'd rather make them overthink the NK and worry about what I could possibly say on Day 2 than give them definite information and a best course of action.

Val, why do you think catboi is scum?

I think he's pretty towny.

When shwinnie said that he'd hammer me out of boredom, catboi unvoted me.
Right now, he's not hammering T3 even though T3 is basically confirmed scum. This could be because anyone who hammers right now could look suspicious, though I still think it's a towny move from catboi.

Scum!Catboi can easily do that for town cred tbh. Townie moves don't always come from town, especially when it's something blatant yet easy to do.

[T3]

Val, why do you think catboi is scum?

I think he's pretty towny.

When shwinnie said that he'd hammer me out of boredom, catboi unvoted me.
Right now, he's not hammering T3 even though T3 is basically confirmed scum. This could be because anyone who hammers right now could look suspicious, though I still think it's a towny move from catboi.

I'm not confirmed scum.

[Val89]

GeneralWu, I am going to assume you haven't yet finished your read through of the thread, because I have explained.

Catboi, that is a scenario I am considering; although I think if that was the case, i think a) you would have been better served trying to shut down the speculation when it was clear it was inducing others to speculate. b) you should know not to make statements like that today - nobody is going to be pushing your slot to be today's lim, so it can wait for tomorrow and retain maximum ambiguity.

There is a reason I've put you last on the list and made clear it's a ordered one.

I think I've now said everything I want to say today in any case.

[catboi]

Val, the big problem with your case against me is that it is entirely based on my reaction to the fakeclaim, and significantly ignores the surrounding game context. You need to look at how the course of the day has gone, and ask yourself: do I

really

play the game this way if T3 is my partner?

For a significant part of the day, you were the only one pushing T3. Most people brushed you aside. I was the first one to take your case seriously. When there was potential for the wagons to be forced between shwinnebego and generalwu, not only did I decide to instead vote T3, I actively tried to rally votes on T3 with 328. Suffice to say, without me I don't think the T3 wagon happens.

Now, of course, you can say bussing happens. I bus a lot. However, one thing I do not do is bus unnecessarily on day 1 in a 9p. I

despise

when people bus for no good reason, as it's strategically poor. In a 9p game, losing a partner early risks putting you in autoloss from getting outed by a power role. Now, you can claim that T3's fakeclaim was designed to fish out people's roles, but the fact is, claiming mason is absolutely idiotic - it leads to a guaranteed elimination on T3, without even possibly forcing a counter claim. I would have instructed him to claim literally anything else, were I teamed with him. That is simply not a play that happens if I am scum, ever.

[Roden]

I think I've now said everything I want to say today in any case.

Yeah I don't have much else to add either. I'll respond if someone has something to say but I'm pretty much ready to hammer.

[catboi]

Catboi, that is a scenario I am considering; although I think if that was the case, i think a) you would have been better served trying to shut down the speculation when it was clear it was inducing others to speculate. b) you should know not to make statements like that today - nobody is going to be pushing your slot to be today's lim, so it can wait for tomorrow and retain maximum ambiguity.

I mean, regardless, in this situation, all you have established is that my reaction to the claim would be bad play. Why does it make me more likely to be scum than town?

[T3]

Can we just disregard everything val says about me. No one is my partner.

[Val89]

Let's continue this discussion tomorrow, shall we? I think you are right about the possibility scum straight up loses to a PR, and town is a good spot here.

It's disappointing that the PR was made smaller by people's reaction to T3s play, but I still think there is enough ambiguity to give the remaining scum more than a little anxiety on who to select for the night kill.

I don't want to risk inadvertently making that decision any easier.

I concur. Its hammer time.

[GeneralWu]

GeneralWu, I am going to assume you haven't yet finished your read through of the thread, because I have explained.

Catboi, that is a scenario I am considering; although I think if that was the case, i think a) you would have been better served trying to shut down the speculation when it was clear it was inducing others to speculate. b) you should know not to make statements like that today - nobody is going to be pushing your slot to be today's lim, so it can wait for tomorrow and retain maximum ambiguity.

There is a reason I've put you last on the list and made clear it's a ordered one.

I think I've now said everything I want to say today in any case.

I found the post now.

[MegAzumarill]

I will cast the hammer tomorrow if noone has any objections, if you do, say it now. (And i know you have questions but its late for me RN and I don't want to get into it tonight or on mobile) -_('-')_- I also don't find it relevant if I get nked, and if i don't i can always discuss on day 2.

[T3]

No objections, just vow to lim GeneralWu -> Roden in that order if I flip town.

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: T3
Good night everyone, hope to see y'all tomorrow.

Cheers to the hope for a 2nd day win.

[T3]

How do I roll scum so often

[GuyInFreezer]

VC 1.11

T3 (5):

Val89, navigatorv, shwinnebego, T3, MegAzumarill

shwinnebego (1):

Roden

Not Voting:

GeneralWu, catboi, Save The Dragon

With

9

players remaining,

5

votes to eliminate

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-07-25 22:43:37)

MegAzumarill - V/LA (7/25 - 8/1)

[GuyInFreezer]

T3,

Vanilla Townie

, was eliminated Day 1.

Night 1 deadline: (expired on 2021-07-26 14:27:16)

[GuyInFreezer]

My apologies. Was out of town half a day.

navigatorv,

Town Mason

, was eliminated Night 1.

Day 2 deadline: (expired on 2021-08-02 20:12:11)

[GuyInFreezer]

VC 2.00

Not Voting:

GeneralWu, catboi, Save The Dragon, shwinnebego, MegAzumarill, Val89, Roden

With

7

players remaining,

4

votes to eliminate

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-08-02 20:12:11)

MegAzumarill - V/LA (7/25 - 8/1)

[Roden]

Can we get a collective "oh what the

fuck

" before we start scrambling to figure what the hell just happened

[GeneralWu]

Can we get a collective "oh what the

fuck

" before we start scrambling to figure what the hell just happened

OH OH OH OH OH OH OH OH WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK IS GOING ON

[Val89]

Well, here was me thinking (hoping?) that the delay in day start was because there had been some mistake behind the scenes with T3s role, and GiF was figuring out how best to deal with it, but no, looks like T3 just straight up did a thing, for reasons.

The other things I wanted to say about catboi yesterday all revolved around expecting to see to a red role card there, so lesson learnt on why people shit on preflip associates as they do. Looks like it's back to the drawing board.

[Val89]

The above counts as my "what the fuck".

Moving back to the game, and I feel like we really are entering the twilight zone here given that I am about to suggest that people with a correct read are sus - but given that T3 was fakeclaiming mason, as town, in an actual mason game; and doing some of the scummiest stuff you could think possible, I am actually thinking that those who were expressing town reads on T3 in spite of it - and I'm looking at Shwinn, asking about why a town!t3 claims mason, GeneralWu with a townread justified by absolute bullshit (T3 was doing a lot of things, but actively solving the game wasn't one of them), and StD here - feel a little like TMI.

Yes, you read correct. I'm susing on you because you were proven right. What a weird world we live in.

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: GeneralWu

I think my general d1 suspicions toward them haven't diminished, and shwinniebego brought up a good point about how the vote on them dissolved yesterday despite them saying nothing at E-1.
Let's get this show on the road.

Also I'm on V/LA but I'll make sure to check in once a day if able.

Also what the actual frick T3.

[GeneralWu]

VOTE: GeneralWu

I think my general d1 suspicions toward them haven't diminished, and shwinniebego brought up a good point about how the vote on them dissolved yesterday despite them saying nothing at E-1.
Let's get this show on the road.

Also I'm on V/LA but I'll make sure to check in once a day if able.

Also what the actual frick T3.

Whoa whoa whoa hold up there: how is this a valid reason?
"shwinniebego brought up a good point about how the vote on them dissolved yesterday despite them saying nothing at E-1."
Just because I get voted to E-1 and then people stop doesn't mean I'm a wolf.