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[T3]

meta can be good.

YAAAAAAAAAAY

[T3]

Do mafia have a nightkill or do they just toss poison at people.

the obvious question here is: is this a real townslip?

I don't know. I could see scum looking at the rules or whatever and realizing 'wtf I don't have a nightkill better townslip '

Why would exactly that be my first thought if i was scum?

Again, that's a theory based on personal experience. I recently played an Open that I signed up for thinking it was closed. Then when I saw my role PM [scum] the first thing I did was fake townslip.

[T3]

on the contrary, i find that i confbias myself into seeing townies as towny when i'm scum.

this could be what The Emperor is doing.
VOTE: The Emperor

Incorrect

Reads are hard and fast here when Order 66 is on the horizon

what do you mean by that?

I like pushing any reads or thoughts I have out, also helps getting the game going early

do you have any scumreads? do you actually scumread me?

Do you

actually

scumread me feels really weird.

[T3]

I have Thoughts on the setup but will not be discussing them until later as I'd rather play things out normally for a bit rather than get bogged down in mechanical arguments.

-R

Townpost. Secretiveness with reads is almost always towny.

[NorwegianboyEE]

In an open setup i once crumbed Vanilla Town in an setup without Vanilla Town as an mafia goon. For one of my first posts in the game.
I think that tells everyone all they need to know about my planning and forethought.
I would not fake crumb like T3 suggests once the game just started. Impossible.

[T3]

does anyone want to vote The Emperor with me?

Why did you scumread them again?

on the contrary, i find that i confbias myself into seeing townies as towny when i'm scum.

this could be what The Emperor is doing.
VOTE: The Emperor

ta vera have I played a Mini Normal with you before?

[T3]

K Norwee is town lol

[T3]

what about the back and forth between me and The Emperor? mechanics talk isn't the only thing that has been happening. it was only a piece for a little bit.

LOOK AT MEEEEE IM POSTING CONTENT
VOTE: ta vera

[T3]

so i typed out a post outlining how dunnstral is scum, because he's not posting here while posting elsewhere, and how that is scum indicative because of some of my previous games with him... and then i had enough brain to check the op, and it turns out he's not even playing in this game. whoops.

anyway, i reread the game and i was hoping to have some piping hot takes, but i turns out, i do not.

i do have an urge to townread bingle because he's funny, but that's probably a very bad idea. though i did get some scumpings on ta vera yesterday when skimming, but i don't get them today and i don't remember why i had them yesterday, so @bingle, mind talking about why you're voting there?

i do have some vaguely townie pings on dwlee and norwee, but honestly they feel ~rand chance of being correct.

-D

Meta townie opening. I'll elaborate on this when Datisi has posted enough content for me to be completely sure though.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Ta vera[/post]
Oh my goodness, a t3 read that doesn't mention meta. This must be good!

[T3]

VOTE: titus

"trying to keep the game in rvs for longer instead of doing something to get us out of it" feels like one of those reasoning that almost never works, but i'm running with it for now.

-D

VOTE: titus

"trying to keep the game in rvs for longer instead of doing something to get us out of it" feels like one of those reasoning that almost never works, but i'm running with it for now.

-D

You think the functionally V/LA Titus is the one to push over avoiding thread progression?

well for one, she was posting elsehwere, but also she's the only person going "i will ignore the game related discussion because i don't care about it and will keep trying to keep rvs alive on page 6", so yeah.

-D

Agreed.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: ta vera
GAHH

[T3]

Do mafia have a nightkill or do they just toss poison at people.

the obvious question here is: is this a real townslip?

i find that being weird can actually garner town reads sometimes. and, i think weirdness is more of a personality thing than something someone does as a strategy.

meta can be good.

Dwlee seemed like a very efficient robot as scum in the last game we had.

oh. i've never played with scum dwlee.

All of these lines of interaction seem to me like they're aimed at going no where. You've got the noncommital question about a 'townslip' that has already been called out (It wasn't a townslip, btw, it was a question scumNorwee could also have had), a "That's NAI.", generic comments about nothing (meta can be good), and a nothingburger response to Norwee's meta. Also, the mechstuff, even if prompted.

It feels more like she wants to be seen as doing something more than actually wanting to do something.

Big Brain Bingle is probtown.

[T3]

I've traveled here from the future to inform you that 8 is not a townslip.

-S

Both heads apear to be here but are just doing nothing.

[T3]

Yes that is what i said.

s_s, we would never. :3

anyway, VOTE: norwee. 183 feels like an extremely overblown response to s_s saying "btw, 8 isn't a townslip". trying really hard / having an agenda to make sure norwee isn't townread? by saying that one (1) page 1 post isn't a townslip? come on.

-D

I don't know whether to scumread this reaction or laugh at this reaction.

[Green Cap Boys]

Current strongest suspects are Titus + Limit, but Datisi thought S_S was pinging townie (I didn't see it personally, think they've been quite lacking overall).

i was skimming earlier, i saw this, and it's something i want to touch on:

i have some town-indicative tells when reading s_s, that i've been using in the past 2-3 games, with ~decent success. and the way he's played so far this game did trigger a few of those towntells. however, i'm not putting too much stock into them (or rather, i'm trying not to tunnel them) since low sample size, the rest of his content isn't Great, and the fact that lilith is barely here is... worrying. so i'm fine with our vote there.

also, after having slept on it and having cooled off from the initial omgus feeling, i think the emperor's push on me maybe probably comes from town? it's not a lock read by any stretch, but i do think i was being a bit too strict earlier. that said, i do wanna see what he returns with.

i don't wanna make retti do all the work, but it's been a long day for me, i'll Properly Read the past few pages tomorrow to see if i've missed anything important. yell at me within the next half an hour if there's something you want my input on now.

-D

[Bingle]

I'm not sure if I'm liking T3 because he's town, or because he's saying all the things I'm saying.

[T3]

Ok i'm pretty confident in my townread on GCB now. Their anger seems genuine.
Which means scum might be in the slots that was voting with me.

Had the exact same thoughts when reading this.

[T3]

Current strongest suspects are Titus + Limit, but Datisi thought S_S was pinging townie (I didn't see it personally, think they've been quite lacking overall).

i was skimming earlier, i saw this, and it's something i want to touch on:

i have some town-indicative tells when reading s_s, that i've been using in the past 2-3 games, with ~decent success. and the way he's played so far this game did trigger a few of those towntells. however, i'm not putting too much stock into them (or rather, i'm trying not to tunnel them) since low sample size, the rest of his content isn't Great, and the fact that lilith is barely here is... worrying. so i'm fine with our vote there.

also, after having slept on it and having cooled off from the initial omgus feeling, i think the emperor's push on me maybe probably comes from town? it's not a lock read by any stretch, but i do think i was being a bit too strict earlier. that said, i do wanna see what he returns with.

i don't wanna make retti do all the work, but it's been a long day for me, i'll Properly Read the past few pages tomorrow to see if i've missed anything important. yell at me within the next half an hour if there's something you want my input on now.

-D

Huh so my meta tell on Datisi is really inconsistent this game so nvm.

[T3]

Norwee's reaction to GCB's tone seemed rational but also slightly sarcastic which I think is meta towny based on ODM. I may be wrong though, I'll go look.

[mastina]

It is the only ingredient you have correct?

Aye.

Still scumclaiming.

Mastina whats going on, why the low confidence in reads

Oh, I do have one confident read--Bingle is scum here, guaranteed. I'm not exaggerating my read there or overblowing it.

But the low confidence in my non-Bingle reads is because I am struggling to form reads aside from a Bingle scumread. I wish I could do better because usually my townhunting is much much stronger than my scumhunting but at least I DO have a consolation prize in the form of a strong scumread on Bingle.

[mastina]

Mastina and Norwee on my *glare* list for now.

Flea I <3 you but you're probably just scum here especially since of all the players in the game you're the most qualified for knowing that this is my towngame since you've seen me recently in my games more than anyone else and you not being able to see that I'm town here is one of the reasons why you're probably scum. </3

Do you mind...actually elaborating on what this is supposed to be, exactly?

I can explain this pretty damn easily but I want to force Bingle to fullclaim with a full paraphrase of the entirety of his role PM, as much as he can without getting modkilled, before I do--I refuse to explain it before then because if I do then Bingle can try to wiggle his way out of his scumclaim.

Mind you, Bingle is scum even without his scumclaim here.

But he has in fact scumclaimed here.

[mastina]

-Malefleacent

(Btw fun fact for my older sister's birthday celebration we had on Friday, we rewatched Maleficent. Figured you'd appreciate that.)

I’m going Bingle.

For the record I'm not shooting N1 as a vig shot imo is the sort of thing that I should use only if I were to lose it--in this case, N3. But were I to shoot my pool would explicitly be whichever of {Bingle, Fairy Circle} we don't eliminate today.

I’m assuming I’m the lim today, tbh, and I’m not really fighting it because I have no potions. The real question is can I orchestrate a mass action chain to follow after I die.

Bingle could be too easy so i’n gonna think about it more.

Bingle's already had some people defend him, and let me ask you this:

Bingle (4):

mastina, The Emperor, Dwlee99, NorwegianboyEE

Who of these four is scum?

If the answer you come up with is "none of them", then

Why does a wagon at L-2 with three scum in the game have no scum in it?

Granted, admittedly, there could be scum there. Emperor I think is town but I'm not absolutely sure is town, Dwlee is *static* to me in being a blank, and even you I'm struggling to lock down for sure.

But if there's no scum on the wagon...then you should be wondering why there's no scum on Bingle's wagon.

[T3]

Looking through ODM Norwee's response to the mastina tunnel was very different to here. Norwee actually engaged with Dats and provided a read on him. In ODM Norwee just ignored mastina until out of the blue voting her but not actually attempting to sort her. Obviously the circumstances around the tunnel are different but this makes Norwee a strong townread.

[mastina]

If i was scum here my first thought would probably be like:
"Oh shit, how do i pocket Mastina/Bingle/Datisi, i’m so screwed help!!"

Honestly I believe that. I was wondering if your posts early into the day were actually your attempt to do precisely that, in fact, which is why I've had a bit of a struggle locking you down; I couldn't tell if your posts were actually town or if they were scum desperately trying to pocket me knowing I nailed you last game.

Overall though, I think I am going to take the leap of faith and call this you-as-town; there's a lot that you're doing that ticks in my "generically town" box and while generically-town isn't meta-town, having the generically-town box ticked in combination with not thinking you're clearly scum means overall I am thinking you're town.

(Which i usually do as i feel Mastina is super easy to read once they get into the game)

True enough which is one of the reasons why Flea is suspect to me because fae should be the player in here who needs the least amount of content to tell I'm town here. Not only not coming to that conclusion but coming to the opposite conclusion is a red flag. (That, aside from the slot's posting being fairly scum-indicative for them overall imo.)

Also on that note the way Bingle has treated my slot is not what I would expect from him as town. It's

plausibly

his approach to me as town but it more looks like he's trying to imitate how he approaches me as town not realizing how he actually approaches me as town with the result being an imperfect and flawed imitation thereof.