In post 332, Mewtaph wrote:There are a few players being cautious around locking in as town too early, T3 and Datisi. I think both are townier than not right now but that also just gives me pause.
does this mean that you read us as town, but you're cautious about committing to the read? if so, what about us is giving you pause (and what do you find townie about t3?)? if that's not what you meant, can you rephrase?
First question - yes. What's giving me pause is scumranges. As much as I'd like to lock my townreads in confidently and move on I think I'll find it hard to do so this game specifically with your two slots. The reason I'm townreading T3 - a level of engagement or disengagement with the game that I think comes off as townie and is hard, but not impossible to replicate as scum. Datisi, your play similarly is also most likely within your scum range but I think it's hard to keep your level of gamesolving up as scum without pushing yourself into a corner eventually. I haven't played with T3 before but it seems that other players that have played with him before (Margot) are giving him credit for his scumgame so I'm doing the same.
Disengagement on day 1 is actually pretty strongly indicative for me because meta
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:42 am
by Datisi
In post 470, T3 wrote:Do I even have to say how towny Datisi is?
In post 31, Mewtaph wrote:Slight townread on nydus. His excited opening reminds me of how I felt when I first joined the site. I don't think that scum!nydus would start off their game with what I would describe as almost a surplus of analysis despite not much happening yet.
In post 11, Gamma Emerald wrote:Howdy Mew! Let's hope this time you don't gloss over obvious scum!
@DBW: I only spoke first because no one else spoke before me.
Haha, I've got a lot more energy to devote to this game than I did in that game, so hopefully such things won't slip past my radar this time round.
In post 27, Accountant wrote:You were enthusiastic in the genuine "let's get this show on the road" way, not the current "!!!" way. It's often easy to do the latter while trying to fake the former.
I actually like Gamma so far. I tried to look for what you're saying and I agree that 13 feels over the top but other than that I like the enthusiasm he's trying to bring to the game. It keeps the game moving.
@Van/
DBW
Colored DBW red because he is Mewtaph's partner
: What do you think about the game state thus far?
In post 19, Mewtaph wrote:I think that analyzing posts during the RVS phase is just a long winded time sink, but since you seem to have to some extent and disagree with me keeping thoughts about some posts, I thought I'd entertain you.
I don't understand the basis of your Transcend vote.
Where I get confused is where your first handful of posts consisted of a video and a doge meme, and your voting someone for making an ego post. How does Transcend's post take it over the top in a sense that translates into scumminess? (to the point of trying to get others to vote him). Yeah, it doesn't contain an RVS vote, but neither does yours.
Notes
As scum, Mewtaph has indicated that getting out of RVS ("keeps the game moving") is towny. He also indicates that deep analysis early on is unlikely to come from scum. As town, he thinks analysus of RVS posts is long-winded and a time sink, which to me indicates he sees it negatively, or scummy, or as anti-town. So he has opposite opinions of early analysis as town and scum. Additionally, the "deep analysis" is often what leads to games coming out of RVS, because it gets people talking about the deep analysis.
I think that Mewtaph made 10/12 for towncred because in his scum mindset, he sees keeping the game moving as towny. I think it is suspicious that in this game, Mewtaph has a placid response to Datisi's over-analysis of Mewtaph's own 10/12, because townreading over-analysis is something he does as scum, but not as town.
Some quotes that support the Notes:
In post 19, Mewtaph wrote:@ChaosOmega: I don't know about likely to get votes, but talking about pressure in the way that I did in my first post does create a potential scenario for votes to come in my direction. Said scenario happened, now the way that it happened being AI or not is up for debate (I'll hold off on commenting on that for now).
10 is a bit directed and selfish for my own read purposes, I'm not going to overjustify it this early on. It is a vote and it is perhaps an easy justification for a vote. When it comes to pretty much every game, I want the game to move away from RVS which is why I made that vote the way that I did.
@Datisi: 12 may seem forced. However, more posts as far as I'm concerned brings the game in a direction further away from RVS which is the spirit of what I created 12 in. I do anticipate how it can come off as forced solvy but prior to that point the thread was still in RVS. 12 wasn't on my mind when I made 10. Looking for spaces to squeeze potential areas to move away from RVS, however, it seeme a reasonable place to start ias any n addition to my first vote to try and get the game state moving.
I don't want to get stuck on something that happened on page 2-3. All I'll say is this: I think we're referring to different types of pressure here. I got what I wanted out of my vote, arguably more than I bargained for
since we seemed to have moved out of RVS almost immediately after that post
. If this causes others to scumread me then fine.
I like Margot's intention to do a dive and post a reads list. Do I actually like Margot as town is a different situation entirely and something I'm still going to have to decide on in the posts to come.
I also looked at other games but didn't find anything to contradict my theory, and the other scumgame(s) I found (I know I found at least one) he was a replace-in, so RVS was not discussed in his ISO.
In post 31, Mewtaph wrote:Slight townread on nydus. His excited opening reminds me of how I felt when I first joined the site. I don't think that scum!nydus would start off their game with what I would describe as almost a surplus of analysis despite not much happening yet.
In post 11, Gamma Emerald wrote:Howdy Mew! Let's hope this time you don't gloss over obvious scum!
@DBW: I only spoke first because no one else spoke before me.
Haha, I've got a lot more energy to devote to this game than I did in that game, so hopefully such things won't slip past my radar this time round.
In post 27, Accountant wrote:You were enthusiastic in the genuine "let's get this show on the road" way, not the current "!!!" way. It's often easy to do the latter while trying to fake the former.
I actually like Gamma so far. I tried to look for what you're saying and I agree that 13 feels over the top but other than that I like the enthusiasm he's trying to bring to the game. It keeps the game moving.
@Van/
DBW
Colored DBW red because he is Mewtaph's partner
: What do you think about the game state thus far?
In post 19, Mewtaph wrote:I think that analyzing posts during the RVS phase is just a long winded time sink, but since you seem to have to some extent and disagree with me keeping thoughts about some posts, I thought I'd entertain you.
I don't understand the basis of your Transcend vote.
Where I get confused is where your first handful of posts consisted of a video and a doge meme, and your voting someone for making an ego post. How does Transcend's post take it over the top in a sense that translates into scumminess? (to the point of trying to get others to vote him). Yeah, it doesn't contain an RVS vote, but neither does yours.
Notes
As scum, Mewtaph has indicated that getting out of RVS ("keeps the game moving") is towny. He also indicates that deep analysis early on is unlikely to come from scum. As town, he thinks analysus of RVS posts is long-winded and a time sink, which to me indicates he sees it negatively, or scummy, or as anti-town. So he has opposite opinions of early analysis as town and scum. Additionally, the "deep analysis" is often what leads to games coming out of RVS, because it gets people talking about the deep analysis.
I think that Mewtaph made 10/12 for towncred because in his scum mindset, he sees keeping the game moving as towny. I think it is suspicious that in this game, Mewtaph has a placid response to Datisi's over-analysis of Mewtaph's own 10/12, because townreading over-analysis is something he does as scum, but not as town.
Some quotes that support the Notes:
In post 19, Mewtaph wrote:@ChaosOmega: I don't know about likely to get votes, but talking about pressure in the way that I did in my first post does create a potential scenario for votes to come in my direction. Said scenario happened, now the way that it happened being AI or not is up for debate (I'll hold off on commenting on that for now).
10 is a bit directed and selfish for my own read purposes, I'm not going to overjustify it this early on. It is a vote and it is perhaps an easy justification for a vote. When it comes to pretty much every game, I want the game to move away from RVS which is why I made that vote the way that I did.
@Datisi: 12 may seem forced. However, more posts as far as I'm concerned brings the game in a direction further away from RVS which is the spirit of what I created 12 in. I do anticipate how it can come off as forced solvy but prior to that point the thread was still in RVS. 12 wasn't on my mind when I made 10. Looking for spaces to squeeze potential areas to move away from RVS, however, it seeme a reasonable place to start ias any n addition to my first vote to try and get the game state moving.
I don't want to get stuck on something that happened on page 2-3. All I'll say is this: I think we're referring to different types of pressure here. I got what I wanted out of my vote, arguably more than I bargained for
since we seemed to have moved out of RVS almost immediately after that post
. If this causes others to scumread me then fine.
I like Margot's intention to do a dive and post a reads list. Do I actually like Margot as town is a different situation entirely and something I'm still going to have to decide on in the posts to come.
I also looked at other games but didn't find anything to contradict my theory, and the other scumgame(s) I found (I know I found at least one) he was a replace-in, so RVS was not discussed in his ISO.
In post 15, Mewtaph wrote:I have to admit, I saw that one coming. Naked votes don't give me much to personally work off of, though.
In post 19, Mewtaph wrote:@ChaosOmega: I don't know about likely to get votes, but talking about pressure in the way that I did in my first post does create a potential scenario for votes to come in my direction. Said scenario happened, now the way that it happened being AI or not is up for debate (I'll hold off on commenting on that for now).
10 is a bit directed and selfish for my own read purposes, I'm not going to overjustify it this early on. It is a vote and it is perhaps an easy justification for a vote. When it comes to pretty much every game, I want the game to move away from RVS which is why I made that vote the way that I did.
@Datisi: 12 may seem forced. However, more posts as far as I'm concerned brings the game in a direction further away from RVS which is the spirit of what I created 12 in. I do anticipate how it can come off as forced solvy but prior to that point the thread was still in RVS. 12 wasn't on my mind when I made 10. Looking for spaces to squeeze potential areas to move away from RVS, however, it seeme a reasonable place to start ias any n addition to my first vote to try and get the game state moving.
In post 44, Mewtaph wrote:@Salsabil Faria: Sure. I know that voting somebody with a reason of "applying pressure" is redundant. I got what I wanted out of the vote, which was a reaction out of you. I feel confident enough in my town lean on you to move my vote.
In post 9, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Roden
I didn't know the game was bastard...
This vote is essentially null. I'd like to see you move your vote sometime soon (even if that person happens to be me). This vote could just as easily gone to T3 in my eyes.
VOTE: Dwlee99
I'm not sure if this is just like 2016 player meta but this is a ??? reason to vote someone.
I actually didn't like 10 more, I was voting for that before I was sniped. It reads like cautious scum, they want to make a vote to build a wagon and force pressure to look town but don't want to step on any toes, so they pull all the teeth from the vote saying it's for pressure and they're not sure what for.
I'm continuing to be selfish here in not explaining my full thought process behind the vote but I don't think stating that you're applying additional pressure necessarily removes the teeth away from the vote. Nor do I have the intention of building a wagon, either. If that was my intention then I wouldn't have made the vote in the way that I did.
This isn’t really a town post but it’s a good post
I don't really see scum making this post, it kind of just feels unnecessary.
In post 64, Datisi wrote:okay either you're fucking up a fakeclaim or playing some galaxy brain reaction test that i don't get bc universal miller isn't normal and miller can only be called miller in a normal so like idek
Same here! Don't we also have a masonry? Why haven't you posted in there?
i don't think this post sounds believeable at all and pretending it does is weird as hell to me, and if t3 is green i think kyouko deserves a closer look
rereading the t3 claim, not only is mason miller a nonsense role combination, he's apparently outing his mason buddy too, and how can you think any of this is serious
actually yeah VOTE: kyouko
mason miller immediately outing his partner makes no sense
scum locking themself into such a powerful claim so early on makes even less sense
We're ~vaguely~ on the same wavelength.
In post 459, T3 wrote:UNVOTE: kyo
This might be something of a townslip. Roden being IC seems like something scum would discuss in their PT.
In post 161, Dwlee99 wrote:Someone isn't scum because they don't detect a joke
(1) nsg would disagree with you
(2) i was never saying that, my whole argument is that she very well knew it was a joke and is pretending otherwise in order to shitpush t3
i am wondering if i'm wrong because the push on ic seemed genuine enough, i imagine scum talked about him by now, and dunno if scum thinks to fake suspecting the ic
Statistically, not detecting jokes is slightly scum indicative.
In post 216, Roden wrote:T3's generally low activity is also just pinging me in general right now. I know he tends to lay low when he gets pressure as scum, but fights and hyper posts when he's town. He's even said similarly in past games.
In post 216, Roden wrote:T3's generally low activity is also just pinging me in general right now. I know he tends to lay low when he gets pressure as scum, but fights and hyper posts when he's town. He's even said similarly in past games.
On this, I just don't think their energy is allegiance indicative. I think they are pretty low energy generally. They were a Town PR in another game I played with them recently and their energy was at about the same level, before and after they had outed themself
In post 216, Roden wrote:T3's generally low activity is also just pinging me in general right now. I know he tends to lay low when he gets pressure as scum, but fights and hyper posts when he's town. He's even said similarly in past games.
Umm, no actually... I saw active scum!
T3
, it's NAI for them.
Yeah
I just played a scumgame where I posted 340 times in an 80 page game
as they made weird posts as town more than as scum.
Then in 78, I kind of get where they're coming from but only agree about you from that list atm. 191, 203 understandable from 78. Overall I'm getting the lay back/relax vibe from them which I think town indicative for them, as scum they appear to be more solvy from my experience with scum!them.
In post 286, Datisi wrote:yes and no - i know iv *hates* playing scum, and yesterday me/dwlee/datsi/iv all came out of a game where iv was scum soloing and he hated it so. my guess is that if he rolled scum twice in a row, it's likely he's exhausted from it and has no willpower to post.
See this sucks because I don't want to read IV this way but also I can't ignore this
there's been times where i rolled scum multiple games in a row and it made me want to move to the mountains with no access to internet, but it happens sometimes and it's a sucks2bu situation and it sucks overall but like, i can't simply just ignore it because i've seen first hand how much iv hates playing scum so
i know it's not a slam-dunk because town!iv also sometimes lurks and real-life is a thing and blah blah but like, i can't just ignore it >_>
In post 332, Mewtaph wrote:There are a few players being cautious around locking in as town too early, T3 and Datisi. I think both are townier than not right now but that also just gives me pause.
does this mean that you read us as town, but you're cautious about committing to the read? if so, what about us is giving you pause (and what do you find townie about t3?)? if that's not what you meant, can you rephrase?
First question - yes. What's giving me pause is scumranges. As much as I'd like to lock my townreads in confidently and move on I think I'll find it hard to do so this game specifically with your two slots. The reason I'm townreading T3 - a level of engagement or disengagement with the game that I think comes off as townie and is hard, but not impossible to replicate as scum. Datisi, your play similarly is also most likely within your scum range but I think it's hard to keep your level of gamesolving up as scum without pushing yourself into a corner eventually. I haven't played with T3 before but it seems that other players that have played with him before (Margot) are giving him credit for his scumgame so I'm doing the same.
Disengagement on day 1 is actually pretty strongly indicative for me because meta
In post 31, Mewtaph wrote:Slight townread on nydus. His excited opening reminds me of how I felt when I first joined the site. I don't think that scum!nydus would start off their game with what I would describe as almost a surplus of analysis despite not much happening yet.
In post 11, Gamma Emerald wrote:Howdy Mew! Let's hope this time you don't gloss over obvious scum!
@DBW: I only spoke first because no one else spoke before me.
Haha, I've got a lot more energy to devote to this game than I did in that game, so hopefully such things won't slip past my radar this time round.
In post 27, Accountant wrote:You were enthusiastic in the genuine "let's get this show on the road" way, not the current "!!!" way. It's often easy to do the latter while trying to fake the former.
I actually like Gamma so far. I tried to look for what you're saying and I agree that 13 feels over the top but other than that I like the enthusiasm he's trying to bring to the game. It keeps the game moving.
@Van/
DBW
Colored DBW red because he is Mewtaph's partner
: What do you think about the game state thus far?
In post 19, Mewtaph wrote:I think that analyzing posts during the RVS phase is just a long winded time sink, but since you seem to have to some extent and disagree with me keeping thoughts about some posts, I thought I'd entertain you.
I don't understand the basis of your Transcend vote.
Where I get confused is where your first handful of posts consisted of a video and a doge meme, and your voting someone for making an ego post. How does Transcend's post take it over the top in a sense that translates into scumminess? (to the point of trying to get others to vote him). Yeah, it doesn't contain an RVS vote, but neither does yours.
Notes
As scum, Mewtaph has indicated that getting out of RVS ("keeps the game moving") is towny. He also indicates that deep analysis early on is unlikely to come from scum. As town, he thinks analysus of RVS posts is long-winded and a time sink, which to me indicates he sees it negatively, or scummy, or as anti-town. So he has opposite opinions of early analysis as town and scum. Additionally, the "deep analysis" is often what leads to games coming out of RVS, because it gets people talking about the deep analysis.
I think that Mewtaph made 10/12 for towncred because in his scum mindset, he sees keeping the game moving as towny. I think it is suspicious that in this game, Mewtaph has a placid response to Datisi's over-analysis of Mewtaph's own 10/12, because townreading over-analysis is something he does as scum, but not as town.
Some quotes that support the Notes:
In post 19, Mewtaph wrote:@ChaosOmega: I don't know about likely to get votes, but talking about pressure in the way that I did in my first post does create a potential scenario for votes to come in my direction. Said scenario happened, now the way that it happened being AI or not is up for debate (I'll hold off on commenting on that for now).
10 is a bit directed and selfish for my own read purposes, I'm not going to overjustify it this early on. It is a vote and it is perhaps an easy justification for a vote. When it comes to pretty much every game, I want the game to move away from RVS which is why I made that vote the way that I did.
@Datisi: 12 may seem forced. However, more posts as far as I'm concerned brings the game in a direction further away from RVS which is the spirit of what I created 12 in. I do anticipate how it can come off as forced solvy but prior to that point the thread was still in RVS. 12 wasn't on my mind when I made 10. Looking for spaces to squeeze potential areas to move away from RVS, however, it seeme a reasonable place to start ias any n addition to my first vote to try and get the game state moving.
I don't want to get stuck on something that happened on page 2-3. All I'll say is this: I think we're referring to different types of pressure here. I got what I wanted out of my vote, arguably more than I bargained for
since we seemed to have moved out of RVS almost immediately after that post
. If this causes others to scumread me then fine.
I like Margot's intention to do a dive and post a reads list. Do I actually like Margot as town is a different situation entirely and something I'm still going to have to decide on in the posts to come.
I also looked at other games but didn't find anything to contradict my theory, and the other scumgame(s) I found (I know I found at least one) he was a replace-in, so RVS was not discussed in his ISO.
Now THIS is a town Kyo wall.
Quotewall time!
Spoilered - Gypyx
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:02 am
by Datisi
oh my god
the idea of the quotewall in the first place was so that you don't make 300 separate posts catching up and clogging the thread
and you didn't even have the decency to spoiler it
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:05 pm
by Aristeia
VOTE: T3
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:08 pm
by Roden
T3 is probably town for looking scummy.
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:09 pm
by Roden
Or T3 and Kyouko told each other to start posting more in their PT so that they don't get sus'd for low activity.
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:13 pm
by Roden
VOTE: Mew
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:19 pm
by datsi
Not a fan of IV’s catch up posting
My phone ate this post twice so you’re getting the basic bitch version of what I want to say
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 3:31 pm
by Aristeia
we should kill T3 since he's scum claimed
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 3:34 pm
by Dwlee99
How
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 3:41 pm
by Aristeia
i said he was scum because he wasn't enthusiastic and in response he decided to spampost a bunch of nonsense
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 3:42 pm
by Aristeia
also i still think gamma is probably mafia and maybe not with NM
I'm too lazy to figure out who #3 is can we just kill t3
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 3:45 pm
by Aristeia
Spoiler: For Datisi
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 3:54 pm
by Aristeia
I'm also ok with killing NM now that I think about it some more.
there is some chance he is mafia and if he is town it is ok since he usually scumsides anyway so it's not really a loss if we flip town NM
