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In post 473, Ircher wrote:As promised, here are some examples of MUSH's fallacious logic.

In post 80, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:The content of your post reads EXACTLY in theme with a specific part of Control, but its a part that wouldn't be very likely to come up in a green role PM. If you hadn't fluffposted without thinking through the consequences of your actions you might have been fine, but instead you fluffposted in a way that gave the game away, precisely because you didn't know what you were talking about. Sorry bud

According to MUSH, Cephrir is scum for 57 because it isn't likely to have come from a town role pm. Let me point out some of the various ways this argument is fallacious:

1: It presupposes that Cephrir is familiar with the source material. This is evidently false because in 57, Cephrir explicitly states he is not familiar with the source material. You may argue that it's scum indicative regardless, but there's nothing preventing someone with a town alignment who is unfamiliar with the source material from making the exact same post. While it may be true perhaps that a scum role pm may make such a post more likely (I wouldn't know as I don't know the source material), it is at best a marginal difference.

2: It also presupposes that Cephrir's role is directly related to the post at hand and that Cephrir pulled material from his role pm to make that post. There is no evidence in favor of this assumption; in fact, later posts highly suggest this is not the case as Cephrir denied MUSH's guess in 123.

The following two go together.

In post 106, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Ircher why do you think I'm making any claims about Cephrir specifically and not a general statement about anyone in the circumstances Cephrir finds himself in

In post 111, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Ceph and I have never played together, there is no meta being used here

I guess you're still scum. Great job bolstering my early hypothesis

MUSH's argument here is that I am scum at least in part because I misinterpreted one of MUSH's earlier posts as being a specific observation about Cephrir rather than a general observation. For reference, the post I misinterpreted was 63:

In post 63, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Look if you didn't want to get burned down early then you should've used your noggin before you fluffposted, now its too late and that's your problem not mine

I would like to point out that if you are reading chronologically (and thus haven't seen the elaboration in 80, then it is very easy to interpret this post as MUSH scum reading fluffposting in general. My assumption was since that in the general case, that does not equate scum, there must have been something specific between MUSH and Cephrir that led to Cephrir's post being scummy in MUSH's eyes. 70 does not contradict my initial assumption; in fact, it reinforced it. Finally, there was also Lady Lambdadelta's take in 71, and her take is in fact a meta read. These factors combined, my original assumption, while incorrect, was reasonable. The issue here is that MUSH is trying to twist this around and paint it as scum!me protecting scum!Cephrir. MUSH is completely ignoring the "how would town come to this assumption" and instead jumps straight to the conclusion that reinforces MUSH's own preexisting bias. The argument that I am scum for making an incorrect assumption is fallacious because it completely ignores all the other equally plausible scenario and instead picks the one that fits in the most with MUSH's narrative.

In post 474, T3 wrote:i T3.
i want to read Galron as town but I don't read

In post 475, T3 wrote:You are not a crowd, it is a town.

In post 477, T3 wrote:mush not read cephrires correctly.

In post 478, T3 wrote:i don't know if dwlee and arcade is town

In post 278, Greeting wrote:Sorry, Ircher, that's not satisfactory.

In post 291, Greeting wrote:Isn't that what meta is, though? Judgement of someone's play by how they played in other games, regardless of whether you've been in that game or not?

In post 297, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Say something townie or die.

In post 368, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Agree that my fakeviging is not AI, but noraa has to give you something...

In post 374, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Man this does not make me feel better about Ceph. I feel ike you named 2 townies as town, pushed townie mush as scum and Ceph kind of stands otu.

I'm saying this read list is weird.

In post 383, T3 wrote:uhh why?

In post 398, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Ok, but point is. If Noraa was scum they would probably twist their emotions in a certain manipulative way.
And here it’s more like the: "i can’t believe you’ve done this" guy that just looks utterly betrayed.
I could just be totally wrong here, but that’s honestly what i feel.

In post 271, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:his is extra funny because both my parents were high level private sector and government defense lawyers.

In post 278, Greeting wrote:MUSHSHAGANA, but not specifically because I thought their reasoning was fallacious.

In post 358, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Plus titus felt towny so

In post 429, Tet wrote:Man my crumb game is on fire right now.

In post 430, The Three Bears wrote:my crumb game on fire too

-baby bear

In post 431, Save The Dragons wrote:You guys are crumbTRACKERing?

In post 432, The Three Bears wrote:

In post 379, Save The Dragons wrote:this is like the first time ever i tr norwee and everyone's sus on him smh

Last time this happened weren't you opposing scum factions??


Also don't burn the crumbs -.-;

-Pinkie Bear

In post 433, The Three Bears wrote:Fenny's crumb game on FIRE

-baby bear

In post 7, Roden wrote:VOTE: Greeting

In post 8, Save The Dragons wrote:Fourth

In post 12, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Ah shit, here we go again.

In post 19, Malakittens wrote:Going to be VLA for a couple days. My mom is Covid positive and I’m either Covid positive or I got the flu, but waiting on results. I just can’t stay awake for more than a couple minutes right now :/

In post 11, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Roden

In post 6, Arcade Pals wrote:Second
VOTE: MUSH
For tunneling me last game

In post 5, Ircher wrote:First
VOTE: MUSH

In post 18, Cephrir wrote:Good evening
VOTE: Bell

In post 493, mastina wrote:Town?

In post 28, tictac wrote:u guys got beef?

In post 30, NorwegianboyEE wrote:

In post 24, mastina wrote:I'll vote whoever LLD does (even if it's me).

Why are you doing that?

In post 29, Tet wrote:I start the game informed that LLD is red.

In post 34, Bell wrote:Folks.

In post 45, The Three Bears wrote:VOTE: mastina

In post 31, Greeting wrote:Greetings!

In post 46, Princess Elodie wrote:VOTE: The three bears

In post 33, MegAzumarill wrote:VOTE: Save The Dragons

In post 44, Galron wrote:VOTE: three bears

In post 182, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Mush feels town to me tbh.