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[Galron]

I'm sheeping FB. Whoever he tells me to vote.

[Enchant]

It's three scum

Regarding balance- this may be scumsided in ev but in practice scum only hsve a 50/50 to kill key players and if it fails then sucks to be them because now I am alive for the foreseeable future and I can guarantee that

It's not like mafia wanted you to lose.

[jjh927]

VOTE: Enchant

I am now indeed going to use your continued assumption that the metal besr must be pooky to prove you are scum.

Sometimes people reach the right conclusion for the wrong reasons. In this case, you assumed the metal bear must be pooky, even though in practice the metal bear was not selected by pooky. This highlights that the metal bear could have been literally anyone. So why is it that you jumped to that conclusion and not someone else?

Naturally, scum would know that one fighter was me and one was pooky. It is much easier to make the leap of logic that the bear is pooky if pooky is one of only two options. More importantly - why make the leap of logic at all? Is the question thst town would be asking "Which player submitted which fighter?", or is it "Who would win in a fight?"

So here's the thing- does Enchant still approach this with the mindset that Pooky was very clearly the metal bear after acknowleding that it was incorrect grounds that led to that conclusion? And if towm really can think along these lines, do they vote because they think it is pooky without any consideration as to who the other selected fighter was?

Ultimately, this is a TMI. Enchant believed something was obvious from the perspective of their informed state. The reason they believed it to be obvious has turned out to be an incorrect assumption. However, they still believe it to be obvious after that revalation.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Enchant

In this case, you assumed the metal bear must be pooky, even though in practice the metal bear was not selected by pooky.

Didn't read what next, died from laughing.

[Galron]

jjh, why would Jingle say the metal bear armor was sumbitted by a disinterested party on behalf of Pooky if Pooky wasn't the one donning that magnificent set of iron age outerwear. In fact, I choose to believe that Pooky was given a Robot Wars metal bear suit with racing stripes, flames and a power arm. But batman had a utility belt that I'm sure Alfred checked and cleaned prior to the battle. Pooky was likely a hair's breadth away from performing his signature move before Batman jacked him with a can of Joker spittle, which can eat through anything.

[jjh927]

Jingle means that some rando in his discord server submitted a fighter that just happened to be a bear because Pooky didn't submit

It being a bear had nothing to do with pooky. If I hadn't submitted and pooky had then I would have ended up with a bear

[Galron]

What I'm saying is the mod specifically said it was submitted on behalf of Pooky. I'm not sure why it's an issue.

I've got peanut butter on my nose somehow and need to find a napkin or something.

[Flea The Magician]

let's say I'm mod-confirmed town

what would I need to do to be bussing Flea?

But you're not, and you already are based on your distancing/bussing bar that you've set for me towards you and enchant.

[Galron]

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And I'm just going to say that this gif is awesome. The skies lighting up, the Grand Throne, the soldiers bopping to a disco beat, and the soldiers behind who apparently can't hear it.

[Flea The Magician]

ebwop: confirmed, not mod-confirmed

I'm just too overconfident this game

No you're weird. Like super weird.
I'm sure this isn't our first game together playing, and even if it was, you're still being weird about all this.

but yeah at least overconfidence is a towntell

Disagree. NAI if anything.

[Flea The Magician]

Game staling, when we start murdering?

The game is stalling because there are some complacent people who haven't expressed a single read, or the absence of reads other than null. Scum are probably waiting for someone to vote me to E-1 so that Not Mafia can lolhammer and produce a cheap mislim.
Well, this situation again...
So... can someone tell me why they are not voting jjh? Or why jjh is supposed to be town?

This post is kinda funny in hindsight but I admittedly town read this before the flip, probably because the frustration feels genuine. Poor guy wasn't getting any help at all from his buddies.

This has given me a pause for thought. Might go back and look at the wagon having been caught in similar many times. Wouldn't be the first time my scumbuddies jumped on my wagon for the cred and caused me so much genuine frustration...

[jjh927]

4. The most recently eliminated player may propose a constraint for the fight during the night phase. This constraint will not be announced before the fighters are revealed. If they do not, I may ask a random discord server I'm a part of for fight constraints without context, but they're a bunch of weirdos.

The submission will have followed the same rule as this. The random weirdo will have had no context as per the rules and so it was just coincidence that they picked a bear.

Even if it wasn't the case I think it should be pretty clear that the assumption is made on shaky logic as anyone could have submitted a bear.

[Flea The Magician]

It's three scum

Regarding balance- this may be scumsided in ev but in practice scum only hsve a 50/50 to kill key players and if it fails then sucks to be them because now I am alive for the foreseeable future and I can guarantee that

It's not like mafia wanted you to lose.

You are going to need to explain this, and quickly if you haven't already.

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Enchant

Just so you know I'm serious about wanting answers, cause jjh has you locked down.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Enchant

Just so you know I'm serious about wanting answers, cause jjh has you locked down.

I am not talking with fake magicians.

Also answers on what

[jjh927]

I mean, the implication of that one is that a lot of people voted batman over the bear and therefore scum must have wanted me to win.

This falls flat when enchant voted the bear on the assumption it was pooky and therefore wanted me to lose. The big things to digest here are that Enchant assumes scum would be picking based on who they thought was their preferred NK target, and that Enchant chose the bear based on shaky logic.

Like, I would generally assume that scum would just pick who would win in the fight, barring a scum player being in the fight. Enchant's thought process indicates they think scum would choose based on trying to guess their preferred NK target. Enchant is also the only player who appears to have chosen based on who would get NKed. It seems pretty straightforward to me that the most consistent interpretation of Enchant's perspective is scum that is completely oblivious to the differences in perspective from town approaching this mechanic

[Enchant]

If i am mafia, i still don't know who is who, but i know two names which are fighting. Of course quessing is easier.

Also i voted for batman win. Because it's batman.

You don't even check what you say. Maybe you are just mafia and that's reason you are won?

[jjh927]

Wait you voted batman? I'm phoneposting but I thought there was a third bear vote other than fire and pooky

[jjh927]

This changes some things probably

[Radical Rat]

Third bear vote was Dwlee

[jjh927]

Oh it was Dwlee, interesting

Okay, new questions then!

Why do you think scum didn't want me to lose? Fire and Dwlee both voted bear despite batman's clear superiority. Do you townread them?

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: TemporalLich

I don't think having a passive association of bears and Pooky is necessarily indicative of scum knowledge. However, TL's posting is troublesome to me. Vocabulary issues aside, this whole circus of specific slots bussing/distancing/whatever each other feels forced and designed to incite confusion.

[Enchant]

Wait you voted batman? I'm phoneposting but I thought there was a third bear vote other than fire and pooky

I realised bear are Pooky (because he is... uh. Bear), but iron bear is too slow to defeat batman. I didn't know batman is you.

I didn't care really about nicks at that time, but it's still too blatant that Pooky was Bear. I voted against him.

Even if we consider fact that not Pooky choose fighter, then i was right for wrong reasons. Regardless of my alignment, how the fuck i supposed to know if Pooky did choose fighter or he didn't manage it and SOMEHOW third party managed to apply bear.

I still consider it was blatant that Bear was Pooky (NO ONE EVEN MAFIA KNEW THAT POOKY DIDN'T CHOOCE), and i asking atleast some people to raise hand and say "Uh yes i would chooce bears for fight".

[jjh927]

Anyway I'm gonna leave this to develop

[Enchant]

Oh it was Dwlee, interesting

Okay, new questions then!

Why do you think scum didn't want me to lose? Fire and Dwlee both voted bear despite batman's clear superiority. Do you townread them?

Yes.