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I have to ask, why is there a wagon on Juice but not a wagon on me? this game makes no sense. I just looked at their posts and I am barely ahead of them in useful activity if at all.

This makes me feel weird about Greeting's intent to hammer or whatever bullshit: yes they didn't give a reason for you to townread them but neither did I or I'd reckon several people in here basically have given no reason to be town read so I am extremely confused what's going on. It seems like somebody is just trying to jump on a random wagon to me.

VOTE: Greeting

In post 382, Greeting wrote:I agree with the pressure on

Juice

. Or anyone from my PoE to be honest (320). One could say that the slot might not get any townier (or scummier) with pressure, but leaving these kinds of slots be is perfect for mafia, because they will never be townread, and horrible for town sorting. The game has now been going for a few good days and he's given very little.

I'll wait for the tally and then probably jump in.

This is the kind of stuff I am referring to: Juice isn't the only person not being useful, several people including me are not useful at all yet the posts give off a very confident vibe about how Juice must be scum because of it.

In post 476, Mohab500 wrote:It seems like somebody is just trying to jump on a random wagon to me.

is this not exactly what you did

In post 478, Ausuka wrote:

In post 476, Mohab500 wrote:It seems like somebody is just trying to jump on a random wagon to me.

is this not exactly what you did

Yes, it is exactly what I did, but I am not trying to act townie or claim that my votes make sense, while greeting is trying to justify their vote for some clearly bullshit reason.

I think the juice wagon needs to be evaluated. I'd reckon at least 2 scum there as its a very easy wagon.

Rate each descriptive statement on how well it describes you using the Likert scale (1 = strongly disagree to 5 = strongly agree).

"Get angry easily" =

"Take charge" =

"Make people feel welcome" =

"Like music" =

"Like to tidy up" =

"Like to visit new places" =

"Feel comfortable around people" =

"Interested in many things" =

"Love order and regularity" =

"Am afraid to draw attention to myself" =

"Enjoy being part of a large crowd" =

"Cheer people up" =

"Lose my temper" =

"Enjoy the beauty of nature" =

"Enjoy thinking about things" =

"Cheat to get ahead" =

"Feel desperate" =

"Rarely overindulge" =

"Easily resist temptations" =

"Have a high opinion of myself" =

"Waste my time" =

"Need a push to get started" =

"Have little to contribute" =

"Keep my cool" =

"Avoid crowds" =

"Turn my back on others" =

In post 481, Frogsterking wrote:Rate each descriptive statement on how well it describes you using the Likert scale (1 = strongly disagree to 5 = strongly agree).

"Get angry easily" =

"Take charge" =

"Make people feel welcome" =

"Like music" =

"Like to tidy up" =

"Like to visit new places" =

"Feel comfortable around people" =

"Interested in many things" =

"Love order and regularity" =

"Am afraid to draw attention to myself" =

"Enjoy being part of a large crowd" =

"Cheer people up" =

"Lose my temper" =

"Enjoy the beauty of nature" =

"Enjoy thinking about things" =

"Cheat to get ahead" =

"Feel desperate" =

"Rarely overindulge" =

"Easily resist temptations" =

"Have a high opinion of myself" =

"Waste my time" =

"Need a push to get started" =

"Have little to contribute" =

"Keep my cool" =

"Avoid crowds" =

"Turn my back on others" =

Who is this referring to again?

In post 483, Mohab500 wrote:Who is this referring to again?

You fill it out based on how well each statement describes you. Give each statement a number 1 (strongly disagree) through 5 (strongly agree).

In post 484, Frogsterking wrote:

In post 483, Mohab500 wrote:Who is this referring to again?

You fill it out based on how well each statement describes you. Give each statement a number 1 (strongly disagree) to 5 (strongly agree).

EBWOP

"Get angry easily" = 3

"Take charge" = 2

"Make people feel welcome" = 5

"Like music" = 4

"Like to tidy up" = 3

"Like to visit new places" = 4

"Feel comfortable around people" = 3

"Interested in many things" = 3

"Love order and regularity" = 3

"Am afraid to draw attention to myself" = 1

"Enjoy being part of a large crowd" = 3

"Cheer people up" = 4

"Lose my temper" = 2

"Enjoy the beauty of nature" = 4

"Enjoy thinking about things" = 4

"Cheat to get ahead" = 3

"Feel desperate" = 4

"Rarely overindulge" = 2

"Easily resist temptations" = 2

"Have a high opinion of myself" = 3

"Waste my time" = 4

"Need a push to get started" = 3

"Have little to contribute" = 2

"Keep my cool" = 2
"Avoid crowds" = 2

"Turn my back on others" = 2

In post 479, Mohab500 wrote:

In post 478, Ausuka wrote:

In post 476, Mohab500 wrote:It seems like somebody is just trying to jump on a random wagon to me.

is this not exactly what you did

Yes, it is exactly what I did, but I am not trying to act townie or claim that my votes make sense, while greeting is trying to justify their vote for some clearly bullshit reason.

Ok but why are you not trying to act townie and claim that your votes make sense

I am somewhat lost about what you're doing this game, you don't really seem like a troll but you're not playing normally either

In post 476, Mohab500 wrote:I have to ask, why is there a wagon on Juice but not a wagon on me? this game makes no sense. I just looked at their posts and I am barely ahead of them in useful activity if at all.

This makes me feel weird about Greeting's intent to hammer or whatever bullshit: yes they didn't give a reason for you to townread them but neither did I or I'd reckon several people in here basically have given no reason to be town read so I am extremely confused what's going on. It seems like somebody is just trying to jump on a random wagon to me.

VOTE: Greeting

There is a wagon on Juice because they have literally contributed nothing despite popping into thread 3 times or whatever it is.

I find it interesting that you're willing to go to bat for a slot you seem to think is town from extremely little information.

Why did you choose Greeting out of all the people? Sure, he stated intent to hammer, but he isn't even voting unlike everyone else on the wagon.

Like obviously when you do nothing, pop in and vote Juice for no reason and then take it back and vote someone else for popping on Juice that is going to look scummy

IIRC Greeting has been against juice for a while, more than most of the people on the wagon, which makes this more confusing to me

not sure what this will do but i like personality quizzes so!

greetings posts have gutpinged me for a while now, long before the juice fiasco. I thi9nk mohab voting there is natural;

In post 488, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:

In post 476, Mohab500 wrote:I have to ask, why is there a wagon on Juice but not a wagon on me? this game makes no sense. I just looked at their posts and I am barely ahead of them in useful activity if at all.

This makes me feel weird about Greeting's intent to hammer or whatever bullshit: yes they didn't give a reason for you to townread them but neither did I or I'd reckon several people in here basically have given no reason to be town read so I am extremely confused what's going on. It seems like somebody is just trying to jump on a random wagon to me.

VOTE: Greeting

There is a wagon on Juice because they have literally contributed nothing despite popping into thread 3 times or whatever it is.

I find it interesting that you're willing to go to bat for a slot you seem to think is town from extremely little information.

Why did you choose Greeting out of all the people? Sure, he stated intent to hammer, but he isn't even voting unlike everyone else on the wagon.

I do think the intent to hammer is just a way to pre-emptively justify getting on the wagon. I also never stated that I thought the juice guy was 100% town, I just don't think this excuse of him popping in and out of the game and saying random shit is a good reason to vote him because that's also exactly what I've been doing and people aren't really wagoning me hard or other people who have literally contributed nothing.

In post 489, Ausuka wrote:Like obviously when you do nothing, pop in and vote Juice for no reason and then take it back and vote someone else for popping on Juice that is going to look scummy

IIRC Greeting has been against juice for a while, more than most of the people on the wagon, which makes this more confusing to me

Which still makes no sense why there is this random agenda against that guy. I am not saying this juice guy is 100% town because well, they have literally contributed nothing useful so how am I able to tell if they are actually town or if they are scum considering its a routine thing that people come into games and dont do anything useful. A better argument would be that getting rid of that dude wouldnt hurt us much if he was actually town as he wasnt participating anyways and that makes him hard to read, that's a reasonable argument. Just saying you think they're scum because they aren't doing anything useful is not a good basis.

Okay I have coffee brewing, I'll get my laptop out and run the scoring scripts after I drink some.

In post 487, Ausuka wrote:

In post 479, Mohab500 wrote:

In post 478, Ausuka wrote:

In post 476, Mohab500 wrote:It seems like somebody is just trying to jump on a random wagon to me.

is this not exactly what you did

Yes, it is exactly what I did, but I am not trying to act townie or claim that my votes make sense, while greeting is trying to justify their vote for some clearly bullshit reason.

Ok but why are you not trying to act townie and claim that your votes make sense

I am somewhat lost about what you're doing this game, you don't really seem like a troll but you're not playing normally either

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say Mohab is gregarious and the unusual quality of some of their posts is meant to entertain others and break the ice rather than to troll.

I'm definitely coming around to Mohab!Town here.

In post 492, Mohab500 wrote: I do think the intent to hammer is just a way to pre-emptively justify getting on the wagon. I also never stated that I thought the juice guy was 100% town, I just don't think this excuse of him popping in and out of the game and saying random shit is a good reason to vote him because that's also exactly what I've been doing and people aren't really wagoning me hard or other people who have literally contributed nothing.

Why would he need to justify getting on the wagon when barely anyone else has? Why is Greeting's intent to hammer any worse than any other vote on the wagon?

You never stated Juice was town, but you imply it by fighting against the wagon. If Juice is town, I would bet either you or Eira are scum. Scum try to avoid this Juice wagon, 100%.

You've also contributed things. Juice has contributed none, there is no comparison to be made.

i think this wagon is infested with scum regardless of juice's alignment

In post 497, Ausuka wrote:i think this wagon is infested with scum regardless of juice's alignment

I agree with this.

In post 496, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:

In post 492, Mohab500 wrote: I do think the intent to hammer is just a way to pre-emptively justify getting on the wagon. I also never stated that I thought the juice guy was 100% town, I just don't think this excuse of him popping in and out of the game and saying random shit is a good reason to vote him because that's also exactly what I've been doing and people aren't really wagoning me hard or other people who have literally contributed nothing.

Why would he need to justify getting on the wagon when barely anyone else has? Why is Greeting's intent to hammer any worse than any other vote on the wagon?

You never stated Juice was town, but you imply it by fighting against the wagon. If Juice is town, I would bet either you or Eira are scum. Scum try to avoid this Juice wagon, 100%.

You've also contributed

some

things. Juice has contributed none, there is no comparison to be made.

No, scum don't try to avoid this wagon under traditional circumstances. It's a wagon on a guy who like everybody keeps stating has barely any useful posts. Yes there is risk of being caught as someone just going with the flow and trying to get an easy elimination (if that dude is town), but I'd reckon most people wouldn't think that far and the chances of the entirety of scum being outside this wagon is really, really low imo. I think, from my experience at least, scum tries to get people eliminated somewhat early and they don't prefer longer first days (as longer days, more typing, etc... easier to slip up obviously). Yes there are exceptions but I'd be hard pressed to call this one of them.

Perhaps by fighting against the juice wagon I am 'implying' they're town, but my point is more so how weird the vote looks from my perspective: it may be a scum bussing another scum for townie points or it might be that juice is actually town, I have no clue, because like I said they have barley contributed anything worthwhile. What I do know is that the basis for the vote is nonsensical, that's all.