NY 165: A Large Normal (Game Over!)

[Shadi1337]

And as much as I hate to admit it, it's probably best to get rid of VT first if none of the claims are suspicious or the ones who claimed are overly suspicious so yeah. Of possible wagons I'd prefer Baezu as aforementioned so I'll go with that.

[Shadi1337]

... forgot the vote tags VOTE: Baezu

[Serene]

If there was a doctor, they damn well should come forward. They'd be directly countering baby spice: from their point of view, she'd be confirmed scum

How do you figure letters was being bussed when there was a cop guilty on him? That's not bussing, that's just Follow The PR. There was no other lynch option that day

[Serene]

Why was Stubbs first reaction to the mason unclaim to vote me? Where is that line of thinking now?

[StubbsKVM]

VOTE: Serene

Happy now?

[Serene]

I'm never happy when I'm playing mafia

So Stubbs, was it that you knew we were wrong about dram and didn't wanna touch that shit with a ten foot pole?


Don't answer that, we already know

[Serene]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bulbafenix

I'm still not sure actually. But I don't really buy the case on Cephrir and there's 8 out of 10 people on your wagon that I'm townreading. No reason for stalling this any longer.

Tmt's ISO looks pretty worthless

Nice iso, why should YOU be around in LYLO?

[StubbsKVM]

I'm never happy when I'm playing mafia

So Stubbs, was it that you knew we were wrong about dram and didn't wanna touch that shit with a ten foot pole?


Don't answer that, we already know

I'm answering anyway.
It's because you lead us to Lynch Nero, who apparently you knew was town, and also BulbaFenix.

I thought dram's Lynch was justified really, and I would have voted him if the wagon wasn't full.

This all comes back to you now, because dram flipped town.

[kuribo]

You dare blame us for lynching bulba when you were the hammer? And to say we were town reading bulba is a flat out lie.

Fuck outta here with that noise. And you're damn right Nero deserved a lynch.

You had the opportunity to vote dram and didn't. Dram flipped town, so fucking what? He'd have been mislynched ages ago if he hadn't been a claimed mason. And you didn't vote dram yesterday: you voted me.

To blame me for all three of those is abject bullshit, one person can't lynch anyone alone.

You called Ceph town, abstained from letters wagon when he was guiltied, then obviously knew how dram would flip: his flip has nothing to do with you voting me, you were doing that before the flip.

DGBs out of the country and Head #3 has disappeared, so it's you and me now.

[Serene]

You dare blame us for lynching bulba when you were the hammer? And to say we were town reading bulba is a flat out lie.

Fuck outta here with that noise. And you're damn right Nero deserved a lynch.

You had the opportunity to vote dram and didn't. Dram flipped town, so fucking what? He'd have been mislynched ages ago if he hadn't been a claimed mason. And you didn't vote dram yesterday: you voted me.

To blame me for all three of those is abject bullshit, one person can't lynch anyone alone.

You called Ceph town, abstained from letters wagon when he was guiltied, then obviously knew how dram would flip: his flip has nothing to do with you voting me, you were doing that before the flip.

DGBs out of the country and Head #3 has disappeared, so it's you and me now.

God dammit

[StubbsKVM]

I said you were leading, I did not say you were the only one responsible.
I hammered Bulba because there was not enough time to get a new wagon going, wait for the claim and then hammer.

I think if both you and dram were town, at least one of you would have been nightkilled.
And the fact that you said you knew Nero was town after the hammer still bugs me a lot.

You are not to be trusted for all the crap you've pulled off, so you gotta go.

[Shadi1337]

Was it Dram or Serene who was voted on back when they mason claimed? Coz if Serene then it could be understandable (trying to save Dram if he thought he was town up until the "supposedly 'real' claim.) I did not like his wagon on Nero if he genuinely thought he was town. I think he's lying and trying to appear smart somehow lol. He kinda backed it up with having it done before when he was town. I didn't really thoroughly read the game he pointed out. But saying that is too risky and it's doubtful that he'd do that if it didn't happen in the game.

[Shadi1337]

If there was a doctor, they damn well should come forward. They'd be directly countering baby spice: from their point of view, she'd be confirmed scum

Well I suppose you have a point, but idk; a doctor is a very valuable town member?

How do you figure letters was being bussed when there was a cop guilty on him? That's not bussing, that's just Follow The PR. There was no other lynch option that day

Rephrase.

[penguin_alien]

That's right that a doctor would make Baby Spice's claim absurdly unlikely; I forgot to consider that. Shadi, yes, docs are useful, but in this case we'd take a 1:1 town PR:scum trade happily.

[DOMO]

I was gaging reactions to claiming unspecified shots, hoping for somebody to get caught fishing, I don't have a limited number of shots at all.

Claimed PRs:
Ankamius - 2 Shot Cop (Used Up)
Baby Spice - White Mage
KingCrabd - INF-Shot Roleblocker
Rift Adrift - Tracker
Thirdkoopa - 2-Shot Vig (used up)

Claimed Vanillas:
Baezu- VT
BROseidon- VT
DOMO - VT
penguin_alien- VT
Shadi1337 - VT
StubbsKVM - VT
Serene - VT

The only PR that could be a lie would be if Baby Spice was a SK worried a kill might have been tracked there and needing to explain it away.

I think we're too strong.

Ank gave us TMT guilty. He could be hard bussing him, but he'd have to worry about other scum NK'ing him. Plus we've had no cop cc, so ank looks like he's honest.

babyspice has been cop cleared and has claimed a town protective role with no cc. Her action claims make sense. I think it's very unlikely babyspice is faking.

crabd has claimed town RB'er. We all know this is also a common scum role, and we'd expect scum RB'er to fakeclaim town RB'er. Crabd's actions can be both town and scum actions. Scum would need to have some defence against the immense strength town has in BP + self protecting doc. RB'er is one method of defence. So I'm expecting scum to have a RB'er and/or strongman. But town might have RB too. There's value and risk in regards lynching crabd today. On the one hand, if he's scum RB, we remove a scum defence against babyspice. On the other, if he's town RB, we lose a valuable weapon. So crabd needs to be assessed today.

rift's claim again has gone uncountered. Tracking crabd to orc proves that rift at least knew that's who he blocked. Rift could be scum tracker, and it's even possible for rift and crabd to be scumbuddies here. But the latter seems very unlikely to me. We're missing a kill from last night and the claimed tracker was protected by the claimed mage. So I'm leaning town heavily with rift, but she's not as confirmed as babyspice koopa and ank.

koopa remains our most cleared townie. He's claimed his shots, there's no doubt he's town vig imo.

So of the claims, crabd is most likely fake, rift could be but probably isn't, and I think we have to accept ank, koopa and babyspice as conftown, and simply hope that if any of those three are scum, we hope they get NK'ed.

So imo we add crabd to the vanilla claims and that's our lynch pool. We need to be ISO'ing those in the lynch pool. I'll do crabd tomorrow when I have more time.

[DOMO]

There was a missing kill on n3. Babyspice claims she protected serene n3. If we're to assume that the protection lasts two nights, then babyspice self protected on n2. It seems that one of the following happened... serene was attacked and protected, babyspice was attacked and protected, or crabd shot the same person as koopa. I think it's looking likely that crabd is scum.

vote crabd

[Serene]

I said you were leading, I did not say you were the only one responsible.
I hammered Bulba because there was not enough time to get a new wagon going, wait for the claim and then hammer.

I think if both you and dram were town, at least one of you would have been nightkilled.
And the fact that you said you knew Nero was town after the hammer still bugs me a lot.

You are not to be trusted for all the crap you've pulled off, so you gotta go.

"If both were town, one would be NK'd"

Except there's doc protects, roleblocks, and a fuckton of missing kills.

[StubbsKVM]

To be honest, all I need is that last line from that quote to vote you.

[Serene]

One minute it's "WHY ARE THEY STILL ALIVE TEU MIST BE SCUM"

The next it's "YOU HAVE TO DIE BEFORE LYLO WE DO NOT YRUST YOU"


You realize you just explained why scum wouldn't NK us right


Hint: BECAUSE PEOPLE KEEP TELLJNG THEM THAT THEY ARE FINE WITH LYNCHING US

[Serene]

Seriously, why the fuck would anyone kill us when our reads have been shit and people keep saying "shut up serene" and "we need to lynch serene"

Of course they're not gonna fucking NK us, towns giving them a fucking roadmap of who they should keep around!

Why are you not questioning the continues survival of town power roles, cop innocents, and universal town reads?

[Serene]

If there was a doctor, they damn well should come forward. They'd be directly countering baby spice: from their point of view, she'd be confirmed scum

Well I suppose you have a point, but idk; a doctor is a very valuable town member?

How do you figure letters was being bussed when there was a cop guilty on him? That's not bussing, that's just Follow The PR. There was no other lynch option that day

Rephrase.

It's hard to call anyone out for bussing when there's a cop guilty. Scum has no choice but to follow the cop. Can't redirect the wagon, can't derail it, so being on it is the only option.

[Serene]

Or just ignoring it (see also: Gay Mafia I when Fate jail kept DeltaWave out of an NK and the rest of us just watched town run him up)

[PeregrineV]

Vote Count 5-3

(as of Post 4771)

StubbsKVM (1)

- Thirdkoopa

Baezu (1)

- Shadi1337

Serene (1)

- StubbsKVM

KingCrabd (1)

- DOMO

Not Voting (8)

- Ankamius, Baby Spice, Baezu, BROseidon, KingCrabd, penguin_alien, Rift Adrift, Serene

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline:

Saturday, August 31, 2013 at 11am Central Time ((expired on 2013-08-31 11:01:01))

Replacing:

No one

Prods:

None

V/LAs:

None

[Rift Adrift]

Why are you not questioning the continues survival of town power roles, cop innocents, and universal town reads?

Continual survival of all the claimed prs, innocents, etc, is bothering the hell out of me.

Who is in your lynch pool?

[Thirdkoopa]

i honestly don't even know how I'm still alive

I'm on-board for Baezu or Shadi instead of Stubbs if that's what you guys want. I don't even know anymore.