VPB wrote:I don't really understand what is going on with all of this grave robbing business. I don't like that either of you claims to have deviated from the plan. Can I hear your rational for it in detail?
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:08 am
by Benmage
Trilo, you're scum for not ressing seacore.
Vpb I was worried I and xvart would double and waste night actions. So I just did the one I was suppose to under seacores plan....plus I had a strong belief the others were flipping town whereas I like to physically see the cultists even though we knew Andrius was flipping cult.
Plus I think having and using a Res kit tonight can help keep our townies kicking.
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:19 am
by Trilobite
You are unbelievable Benmage.
You pop in after the hammer of the previous day's lynch, fuck with the night actions.
And you don't think that kind of crap might not cause suboptimal night actions to be ordered in?
UNBELIEVABLE. (We ressed xvart because we thought you could be cult with your fucking last minute action changes and that you planned to kill him to cause night action confusion.)
Why don't you take some responsibiliy for some of the shit you do, and what your actions cause to happen?
And why don't you look back at Feysal's Baby Spice vote way back when which came pretty much reasonless and was completely contrary to the way he said he likes to approach voting?
We have long accepted that we are probably going to die by lynch or some other means at some point because a large enough segment of people are paranoid enough to think we're cult, but we might as well try to get this town to lynch cult before that happens.
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:29 am
by Benmage
Trilo, how does him being stalked last night equate to you wanting him to stay alive...a res kit does nothing...I'm calling shenanigans.
I didn't switch around much so drop the drama act...I didn't know there was the hammer.
I'm away so I have no clue what tangent you're spouting now.
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:11 am
by Trilobite
It wasn't the smartest thing we've ever done in hindsight, but it can't seriously be worse than taking suicidal as an insanity.
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:32 am
by Triglav
We would like to note that as emotionally gratifying as it is to dog on Benmage's megalomania or for someone to hurl drama invectives at Trilo that we're pretty sure it doesn't help us find scum nor does it really strengthen either position nor endear either player to us (and we're usually so willing to love all)
Can we get back to viable matters - like killing kunk and puzzling out night actions?
Yes?
Benny - why for out we lynch kunk today and no stabby?
Trilo - what's the case for Benny scum? We've had him in investigator slot since like Day 2, he might be murderer - maybe, sure - but scum? Are we stupid or is your case?
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:34 am
by Iecerint
Trilo thinks Benmage is scum? Where?
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:57 am
by Triglav
Trilobite wrote:You are unbelievable Benmage.
You pop in after the hammer of the previous day's lynch, fuck with the night actions.
And you don't think that kind of crap might not cause suboptimal night actions to be ordered in?
UNBELIEVABLE.
(We ressed xvart because we thought you could be cult with your fucking last minute action changes and that you planned to kill him to cause night action confusion.)
Why don't you take some responsibiliy for some of the shit you do, and what your actions cause to happen?
And why don't you look back at Feysal's Baby Spice vote way back when which came pretty much reasonless and was completely contrary to the way he said he likes to approach voting?
We have long accepted that we are probably going to die by lynch or some other means at some point because a large enough segment of people are paranoid enough to think we're cult, but we might as well try to get this town to lynch cult before that happens.
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:05 am
by Trilobite
Triglav wrote:Trilo - what's the case for Benny scum? We've had him in investigator slot since like Day 2, he might be murderer - maybe, sure - but scum? Are we stupid or is your case?
His shenanigans yesterday certainly bumped him up.
Plus this.
Benmage wrote:Well we're lynching kunkstar today.
Is anyone badass enough to have ice confirmed town without killing me?
I am.
Someone certainly wants to continue surviving deeper into the game, yes?
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:07 am
by Trilobite
Triglav wrote:
Trilobite wrote:You are unbelievable Benmage.
You pop in after the hammer of the previous day's lynch, fuck with the night actions.
And you don't think that kind of crap might not cause suboptimal night actions to be ordered in?
UNBELIEVABLE.
(We ressed xvart because we thought you could be cult with your fucking last minute action changes and that you planned to kill him to cause night action confusion.)
Why don't you take some responsibiliy for some of the shit you do, and what your actions cause to happen?
And why don't you look back at Feysal's Baby Spice vote way back when which came pretty much reasonless and was completely contrary to the way he said he likes to approach voting?
We have long accepted that we are probably going to die by lynch or some other means at some point because a large enough segment of people are paranoid enough to think we're cult, but we might as well try to get this town to lynch cult before that happens.
Obviously that didn't happen, but after what Benmage pulled yesterday we thought it was enough of a possibility that it would be worth ressing xvart.
Of course the ENTIRE point I made is that the only reason that we ended up ressing xvart is because of the shit Benmage pulled at the end of the day. We HAD previously planned to res Seacore. His actions caused that.
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:12 am
by VP Baltar
Ben wrote:Is anyone badass enough to have ice confirmed town without killing me?
I actually don't quite get what you're saying here. Can you explain what you mean for me?
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:36 am
by Iecerint
I've though Benmage was town since my readthrough. I don't think he is clever+insane enough to pull all of this as scum.
I almost think it requires a twisted mind and/or scum alignment to feel forced to call Benmage scum. Hell, that's probably true even if Benmage IS scum.
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:45 am
by VP Baltar
Well, I think calling Ben cult is completely silly. Anyone can go murderer though at any time. That's most likely not the case here either, but asking about motivations for actions is very necessary in the case of anyone...confirmed investigator or not.
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:06 am
by Benmage
Triglav, kunkstar is 100% cult I don't want him to have another night of mischief. Nor do I want him being cult ressed and delaying us further.
You're not near the noose yet so you still have time to confirm yourself through killing.
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:09 am
by Benmage
VP Baltar wrote:
Ben wrote:Is anyone badass enough to have ice confirmed town without killing me?
I actually don't quite get what you're saying here. Can you explain what you mean for me?
I'm saying ice is as confirmed to me as seacore was or xvart or myself are... so I don't personally need him to kill me. (I don't think popular opinion will be as badass and ice will likely have to follow through with the kill )I'd rather have feysal or triglav confirmed off myself.
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:11 am
by VP Baltar
Ok, got ya.
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:15 am
by Benmage
TRILO EXPLAIN TO ME HOW AND WHAT CHANGE OF PLANS I DID COULD MAKE ANY LOGICAL SENSE TO NOT RES SEACORE.
I had xvart who has suicide to be stalked by a specific player. I'm on my phone and on vacation....but wasn't xvart among the people to be stalked???? So trilo is making up garbage............... even so ressing him does nothing if he was worried he'd Ward.
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:17 am
by Benmage
I think I'm getting more and more convinced to lynch trilo and let triglav take his shot.
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:46 am
by Nachomamma8
V/LA for a day
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 2:25 pm
by Iecerint
Benmage, why am I confirmed to you? Because I'm such a nice guy?
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 4:57 pm
by totallynotmafia
Ok, I've been a tad naughty. I did an xvart last night and tried to get in a sneaky second kill unnoticed by hopefully stalking and murdering somebody who another person was also stalking and murdering. I figured that if the stalk was unsuccessful or nobody else stalked the person I stalked I could just come clean today and it wouldn't really be a wasted night action seeing as it's valuable information to know who is being warded (though I suppose it was wasted a bit seeing as feysal also stalked trilo). I really thought I had a good chance with trilo too, I didn't think they would be warded as they were the only person I really considered town on the stalk list after they were one of the only peoples defending me a couple of days ago, and I had a good feeling they would be stalked by at least somebody else seeing as everybody seemed to think they were scum (so I'm kinda glad I was at least right about that). In hindsight I suppose trilo defending me doesn't necessarily make them any more town seeing as plum was the other lynch for that day and she was an investigator, so my lynch on that day wasn't as important for scum as I previously thought. The fact that trilo was warded makes me think that others might be right about them being scum.
Nacho has also climbed the ranks of scumminess for claiming to have stalked xvart of all people. Then again, I can't see why cult would possibly think that would be an acceptable stalk, the cult is still clearly warding people on the stalk list so if he were cult he'd be much better claiming he stalked one of those people.
Pretty funny how BM has been so verbose about being stalked for the past few days and then as somebody successfully does it he immediately tries to get out of it. That murder definately needs to go through.
I'll be right to vote in the suicidal testings, getting online is easy it's just having the time to invest in actual proper analysis and postings that I'm struggling with. Trying to find a place to live sucks.
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:16 pm
by Iecerint
Has everyone claimed now? Are we in a position to start testing?
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 1:30 am
by Benmage
Tnm doesn't have a successful kill so he still needs three kills to fulfill a murderer WC assuming his stalk was successful it'd be day 13 at the earliest before he'd fulfill that WC....will the game go that long???
I don't know what to think. I stalked the other night to test wards, but I had 0 intent on following through ...knowing trilos flip might be a needed missing piece to this puzzle.
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 1:32 am
by Benmage
Iecerint wrote:Benmage, why am I confirmed to you? Because I'm such a nice guy?
Because I don't suck.
Not to mention with hito and seacore gone whose gonna lead?