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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 7:26 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
It also makes a lot of sense with the Skitter-shot because Skitter was like the only person in the game who really was digging there.

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 7:28 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
like rereading Day 3 if you start fiery ISO from here:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=400

she's like all about defending bork until the wagon is L-1 and its inevitable and suddenly its wall drop time

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 7:47 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
Fiery I will be so sad if you are scum here :(

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 7:51 pm
by NoPowerOverMe
Vote Count 4.2
Image
Larry Bird, Indiana State 1976-1979


It is now day 4 which ends in (expired on 2021-01-11 16:34:32).
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate

DrippingGoofball(3): Prism, DrippingGoofball, Benhalkum
Prism(1): Vaxkiller
Not Voting(3): fferyllt, PookyTheMagicalBear, notscience

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:07 pm
by fferyllt
In post 4801, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:like rereading Day 3 if you start fiery ISO from here:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=400

she's like all about defending bork until the wagon is L-1 and its inevitable and suddenly its wall drop time
I don't remember defending bork?
PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Fiery I will be so sad if you are scum here :(
you won't be sad. I may be though.

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:19 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
I can write you some really good fan fiction to cheer you up tho

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 11:20 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 4123, fferyllt wrote:urge to burn.

and I want to believe pooky's town.
I will be sad because I thought we had a little moment here where you saw my heart and decided I was good but I am now worried it was more of you re-positioning for Post-Bork Flip :(

It wasn't so much an explicit defense of Bork as much as you were somewhat poking at other areas half-heartedly and then rotated to hit him with a wall when it became an inevitability.

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 11:22 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 4780, notscience wrote:
In post 1928, Syryana wrote:Because nobody agrees with anything I think and two of my favorite people are scumreading me and I have this sinking feeling a third one is about to and I've no idea how I've managed this

may or may not be on my third glass of wine
I’m talking about this one

It’s EXPLICITLY to guilt her away from voting
Or it's to give her town-cred for pushing through the AtE and killing him.

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 2:55 am
by Vaxkiller
I feel like I remember ffrly using that phrase a couple times? Let me check. Like, after the initial day 1 high energy, no one has had any urge to do anything.

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 2:59 am
by Vaxkiller
In post 2555, fferyllt wrote:I see "Rising" and think "Urge to burn".
In post 4123, fferyllt wrote:urge to burn.

and I want to believe pooky's town.
In post 4133, fferyllt wrote:
In post 4129, skitter30 wrote:I dont get where the urge to burn came from?

And i suppose i wont get a truthful answer out of this, but eh: does scum!you kill town!cabd who is townreading you?
Stuff's been bothering me off and on since day 1 and I keep thinking we're going to have an exchange where I suddenly and clearly see town-bork. This is all stuff he's been aware of, so I don't think I'm giving up any advantage in the meta arms race. Stuff he doesn't know (yet) about the evolution of my approach to reading him is not not making it into this wall.

He knows that a lot of my reads of him are based on how he reacts to being pressured. I express those reactions as "irritability", because that's what they look like to me. The underlying emotions may be something else, but to me, that's how they appear from the outside.

Most of his strong reactions, particularly to Prism are in town-bork range by that measure.

His reactions to me expressing concerns about him, not so much.

The difficulty here is that I was town against scum-him in the illicit game and he was close enough to my expectations of town-him that I kept shrugging off my concerns. And I was giving him plenty of info to figure what what was missing. Cabd and I were hydra-ing as morph in that game and his read went south well before mine did. And when my read did go south, zmuffin had a winning strategy planned out, and we followed the strategy, though acquiescing to our own elim the day before mxlo was not fun and not something I want to repeat!

In that game, he would jump on something that looked inconsistent and really go at us (usually me) until he was satisfied with the answer. This is sort of how our T-T interactions would go in the before-times. But, in those games, I knew precisely what allayed his suspicions and why he would back off. In the illicit game, there wasn't that kind of line-of-sight between the cause of his suspicions and the resolution of them. I was left feeling like he was basically reading me off of emotional reactions to his pushes, which was NOT how he read when we used to play together.

In this game, I've done my best not to give him emotional content to "sign off" on. And he's not pushed me very hard about my vaguely expressed concerns, especially after day 1.

I feel like I sort of launched this approach to reading him almost from the beginning, though I didn't come into the game with this as a plan for sorting him. And I also haven't pursued it as strongly as I should have, especially day 2.

The proximate cause of my urge is post . In the context of how I think he reads me, and how I know he expects me to read him, that response looks so anemic. I've been mulling over it and second guessing myself, but this is where I want to vote today.


Re me killing Cabd as scum. It's been a really long time since I've been scum against town-him. In one game I didn't nk him. In the other, I nk'd him on night 5, I think. He'd claimed even night vig and we couldn't risk him getting to another even night no matter what his reads of the remaining scum were. At that point, I may have been the last scum. There was a 3rd game but I was the day one elim in that one, and he was an unknown quantity. I would have focused on known threats if I hadn't been elimed before the first night phase.

What would I do in Year of our Lord 2020? I think it would depend on how long I thought I could maintain his townread.

This does seem over explained.

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 2:59 am
by Vaxkiller
VOTE: fferyllt

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:58 am
by fferyllt
if I were scum I could have easily justified hammering DGB yesterday.

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 5:21 am
by notscience
I think it’s weird the chocolate bear is cherry picking skitters iso

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 6:39 am
by Vaxkiller
In everypost, everyone wrote:if I were scum I would have _____

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 6:54 am
by Prism
Look if this is wrong you can have my head on a pile and then go whoever you want, it's fine.

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 6:58 am
by Vaxkiller
I get it! DGB's role is really scummy, not much of a reason for town to have it, but I also don't get super scum vibes from them. Self voting right now? Why not just concede?

But prism, the way your role has been presented, as first a BP, then a doc? Yuck.

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:02 am
by notscience
why

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:04 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
I guess im a sucker for AtE but i dont think goofball asks me if there's candy inside booork if he's her scummate

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:07 am
by notscience
do you think scum have a PR?

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:09 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
I'm just examining everyone's play and I can see Fiery being the last scum.

I did not like her ISO where she goes from 0->90 on Bork right as he gets run up.

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:32 am
by fferyllt
I was right but I was still too conflicted to just vote him. :/

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:04 am
by Prism
I will again deal with this if we have to tomorrow.

Ffery, are you thinking it's Vax/Pooky?

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:07 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
Your trajectory on Bork is strange.

I re-read D3 and it's like:

Skitter V1 on Bork (12/21 -747PM)
Pooky V2 on Bork (12/21 -1149PM)
Fiery interacts with Bork about "reading her off interactions" (12/22 400AM)
Ben V3 on Bork (12/22 717 AM)
"There is a distinct lack of Vax today" - Fiery (12/22 601PM)
DGB V4 on Bork (12/22 920PM) E-1
"urge to burn." - Fiery (12/22 928PM)
Wall of Death on Bork - Fiery (12/22 1042PM)



It feels convenient and the timing does not feel natural for that conviction to develop suddenly.

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:07 am
by Vaxkiller
With everyone else claiming and outed, they were protecting that role? I dunno. not sci, your great, but anyone and thier mother could have seen cabd was going to die last night.

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:08 am
by Vaxkiller
In post 4818, notscience wrote:do you think scum have a PR?
More than likely they have SOMETHING, even if its not claimed here.