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Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:26 am
by Lost Butterfly
Not to set ProHawk off again, but of the two, I'm more inclined to vote eagle than Harakiri (I'm a lot more paranoid of Harakiri today than yesterday, both because I'm afraid I'm stupid for giving them the benefit of the doubt re: their lack of submission last night and because a few things they said earlier in the QT pinged me--also don't really like how rigid their reads are--but all in all, their reaction to pressure has looked genuine and they've done some stuff this game like their use of Wage Freeze that makes me reluctant to vote them).
(BBmolla, what QT stuff of mine in particular "solidifies" your read for you, considering I haven't shared most of it? Also, is there anyone here who's interested in a paraphrase of the neighbourhood QT? Otherwise, I won't bother.)
But right now, I'm leaning elsewhere.
In post 4786, ProHawk wrote: In post 4780, Lost Butterfly wrote:I want concrete proof that you haven't sent one today. If you can't provide this despite having claimed not to have sent one, then you're busted.
This is dumb. Messenger gets a 2x use.
All right. Upside down, why don't you send your second message to ProHawk today?
Hey, ProHawk. Why didn't you say anything when I asked upside down to send me a message while you were around and posting? I'd have expected you to insist he send it to someone else, particularly given your paranoid partnership theories and your reaction to my neighbourizing Harakiri. But you said nothing and just waited until after the message was sent to use it as an excuse to scumread me.
In post 4787, ProHawk wrote:See LB, its these crazy lets use the game mechanics to clear people/scum hunt that just makes me think you are scum.
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
*bashes head against a wall*
DO YOU REALIZE THAT'S ACTUALLY A
PROTOWN
THING THAT EVERYONE ELSE IN THE GAME WOULD ALSO BE DOING IF THEY WEREN'T ALL EITHER LAZY OR COMPLETELY FUCKING INCOMPETENT?
Sure, this player claimed a role that would be useful for scum. But hey, let's not make it any more difficult for them to USE it as scum. Because hahahaha, using game mechanics to solve the game is pathetic and scummy!
Just like massclaim, which everyone agreed should happen but which never happened because no one could be assed to start it, and now it's too late! And that protown breaking strategy that everyone was supposed to follow, but which we're NOT following, because hey, let's just post a completely different plan right before deadline and then never follow up on it just to cause more confusion. And just never say one way or another whether we transferred money to the people we were supposed to, or just say we didn't bother to follow the plan (but also didn't bother to suggest an improved one), because everyone in the game will townread us for it!
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:30 am
by BBmolla
In post 4825, Lost Butterfly wrote:(BBmolla, what QT stuff of mine in particular "solidifies" your read for you, considering I haven't shared most of it? Also, is there anyone here who's interested in a paraphrase of the neighbourhood QT? Otherwise, I won't bother.)
See: Everything you mentioned about him being wierd in the QT
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:37 am
by Lost Butterfly
I hate you all. I hate this game. I hate Mafia.
Particularly since Faraday was the one who wheedled me into playing this in the first place.
Thanks
for that.
Mhork, what made you decide not to follow the plan last night? Also, can people confirm whether they followed it or didn't follow it, because there was a lot of confusion?
EBWOP: But...I don't think I really shared any of that, Molla. Did I? Most of the "weird" stuff was just that I didn't like his reaction to my claim to have won the NK, because he'd sort of went from calling me scum and rushing out to look like he was outing me before I could out him, to then calling me town when it seemed like no one would bite. But he's also said some stuff that looks quite town (e.g., his annoyance over the wagon on him, his calming down once he got to a computer). If he's scum, he's playing really well. Maybe I should paraphrase the QT--it's just tedious and a waste of time.
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:41 am
by Lost Butterfly
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:43 am
by ProHawk
Your interpretation, not mine. And I followed the plan.
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:49 am
by uʍop ǝpısdn
In post 4801, 1baldeagle1 wrote:uwop, does it not concern you that confirmed scum is on the wagon? This goes for Hara as well. I'm pretty sure it's a scum victory after my lynch. Nero is going for the win, obviously.
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:50 am
by uʍop ǝpısdn
Argh
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:52 am
by uʍop ǝpısdn
Let's try that again
In post 4801, 1baldeagle1 wrote:uwop, does it not concern you that confirmed scum is on the wagon? This goes for Hara as well. I'm pretty sure it's a scum victory after my lynch. Nero is going for the win, obviously.
We're also voting certain scum, so that's win/win!
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:53 am
by Lost Butterfly
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Really
? Who did you transfer your money to? I'd thought you were adamantly against it.
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:54 am
by Lost Butterfly
In post 4832, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:Let's try that again
In post 4801, 1baldeagle1 wrote:uwop, does it not concern you that confirmed scum is on the wagon? This goes for Hara as well. I'm pretty sure it's a scum victory after my lynch. Nero is going for the win, obviously.
We're also voting certain scum, so that's win/win!
What exactly makes you so confident on eagle-scum?
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:57 am
by uʍop ǝpısdn
In post 4817, ProHawk wrote:People I am wiling to lynch: Upside Down, Harakiri, Lord Butterfly.
How can I say this without sounding omgusy? Shut the fuck up, you crazy conspiracy theorist.
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:59 am
by uʍop ǝpısdn
In post 4800, 1baldeagle1 wrote: In post 4763, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote: In post 4761, 1baldeagle1 wrote:
Was getting to it, but got interrupted.
I don't understand the question, because the game has the similar tone he has here. I learned that Voided tends to be a bit more "angry" when town.
Which question of mine are you answering here? Not the one I fucking asked you.
How is your meta read chang on voided any different than what you are calling quilford and molla out for? O
Because I actually have reasons for calling Voided town. You guys were like "he's town lolz". Literally at the same time.
That's... the exact opposite of what happened?
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:13 am
by ProHawk
In post 4835, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote: In post 4817, ProHawk wrote:People I am wiling to lynch: Upside Down, Harakiri, Lord Butterfly.
How can I say this without sounding omgusy? Shut the fuck up, you crazy conspiracy theorist.
Why would you care about sounding omgusy?
Also, I figured what the heck, I haven't won anything this game, probably wont so I figured I would give my money to the person I felt most likely to be town.
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:13 am
by ProHawk
Didn't work out so well.... again. Hence my utter frustration at this game.
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:24 am
by 1baldeagle1
In post 4836, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote: In post 4800, 1baldeagle1 wrote: In post 4763, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote: In post 4761, 1baldeagle1 wrote:
Was getting to it, but got interrupted.
I don't understand the question, because the game has the similar tone he has here. I learned that Voided tends to be a bit more "angry" when town.
Which question of mine are you answering here? Not the one I fucking asked you.
How is your meta read chang on voided any different than what you are calling quilford and molla out for? O
Because I actually have reasons for calling Voided town. You guys were like "he's town lolz". Literally at the same time.
That's... the exact opposite of what happened?
Oh shut the fuck up. I did explain it.
4504. To make the 2nd sentence a bit more clear, you guys said "he's town lolz" to each other.
ProHawk, please move your vote over to uwop. Mhork, if you can do that, that would be nice. He is trying to get me lynched over lies and he's doing anything he can do to discredit people.
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:29 am
by ProHawk
Hows about you move over to Harakiri considering they have 3 votes and Upside has 1
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:31 am
by 1baldeagle1
In post 4840, ProHawk wrote:Hows about you move over to Harakiri considering they have 3 votes and Upside has 1
I like uwop better.
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:48 am
by Lost Butterfly
*adds one to the "Voided quote strips completely unrelated to scumhunting" tally*
In post 4769, Lost Butterfly wrote:You realize the only possible reason why Nero would be governed twice as town (saving him for the LYLO mislynch because today is no longer MYLO) means I'm confirmed town, right?
Uh...no? Personal problems may be screwing with my memory of the game, and the analysis about leaving him alive sounds plausible, but I don't recall there being a correlation between the governings and your conftowniness.
The "correlation" is that the only reason scum would govern the same
town
player twice is to set him up to be lynched in LYLO. If I were scum (OR if scum had a NK in reserve), today would be MYLO. They would never govern a mislynch in MYLO.
But anyway, you can feel secure in your horrible vote because Nero is obviously not town based on his reactions.
Fair point, I guess, but the idea of a double-govern doesn't strike me as a viable scum option.
For Nero-scum? For Nero-town? For both? Where are you heading with this? The most obvious reason he would is because he's
scum
, and therefore, scum don't want him lynched. Or are you arguing that town governed Nero?
In post 4769, Lost Butterfly wrote:"Really, you called Espeonage confirmed town in a throwaway comment expressing voter's remorse? Well, you're wrong! He wasn't confirmed town at all, and you should have thought he was only SOLID town at earlier on."
Voter's remorse at how you should've seen the signs that he's town is one thing, but acting like he should've been conftown at that point after you already know he's town due to his flip is another. What does griping at me in regards to your incorrect usage of read strength accomplish for you?
Helping my read of you, mostly, because your line of questioning is pointless and this is a stupid, nitpicky argument, so I'm curious to why you've been continuing it.
In post 4769, Lost Butterfly wrote:I'd understand if you suspected me for 180-ing on a townread, despite the fact that I'm pretty obviously town at this point and none of my play makes any sense whatsoever for scum unless I'm deliberately trying to make the game harder for myself as a challenge, but for overstating how town I'd found the player who I'd voted (for which the scum motivation is...um...making my turnaround look worse)?
Well, apologies that my hyperbole sensor is haywire, but...Did I say that was why I voted you?
It's the only reason you'd so much as hinted at?
In post 4771, Harakiri wrote:As you know, LB, I advertised in Market Analyst the night before. Then I saw Mhork(I think?) Do well with his cast a wide net strategy the night before and tried to do the same thing.
It clearly didn't work. I went for Messenger and Wage Freeze specifically because they were useful and in Messenger's case I initially intended to 'go along' with the plan but tell Morph or Pyrotechnics or someone I trusted that I wasn't secretly. Instead we did the claiming thing and I kinda said fuck it.
This feels like a cop-out.
Um...actually...I'd found that explanation quite believable.
In post 4787, ProHawk wrote:See LB, its these crazy lets use the game mechanics to clear people/scum hunt that just makes me think you are scum.
...Logic, plz?
In post 4800, 1baldeagle1 wrote:Because I actually have reasons for calling Voided town. You guys were like "he's town lolz". Literally at the same time.
when was the last time UD called me town in the past 3 days? Even if you're talking about something prior to D2-3, why're you asking UD a question like this?
Firstly, he's talking about UD and BBmolla, not UD and you. Secondly, this is something that's been bugging me about you. Why have you been talking with both sides of your mouth, both in this post and overall today? The angles you're pushing today don't seem consistent with each other. Nero is scum, but here are these statements expressing doubt, LB is town, but here are these leading questions to them, Harakiri is town but here are these other leading questions to them, LB is
scum
but here are these leading questions to people like ProHawk who suspect them. I understand casting a wide net, but it feels as though you're looking for stuff you can quote and give a pithy response to rather than actually scumhunting.
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:53 am
by Magua
Vote Count 6.16
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
1baldeagle1 (3): Harakiri, Nero Cain, uʍop ǝpısdn
Harakiri (2): ProHawk, penguin_alien
uʍop ǝpısdn (1): 1baldeagle1
Lost Butterfly (1): VoidedMafia
penguin_alien (1): Lord Mhork
Not Voting (4): Lost Butterfly, zMuffinMan, BBmolla, Garuda
Deadline for Day 6 is Friday, December 27th, at 5:00am EST (site time).
Countdown to deadline:
(expired on 2013-12-27 05:00:00)
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:04 am
by Lost Butterfly
VOTE: Voidedmafia
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:04 am
by Harakiri
K I'm here.
Mhork: Sakura and I'd rather lynch Garuda if we -have- to settle, but I intend to see this eagle lynch through to the end. I caught him once before, and his and Nero's intervention speaks to me of a ploy to discredit the wagon.
Muffin: I need you bro.
Prohawk: I've decided to mostly pity and ignore you until the game is over, k?
Voided: I know you're getting comfortable in your ignored townread, but please don't make me think you're scum by flipflopping so much.
Nacho: What's up, brotha?
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:06 am
by Lost Butterfly
Garuda, why have you been so passive today?
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:03 pm
by Voidedmafia
In post 4810, Lord Mhork wrote:Because I literally cannot care any less and no one seems too eager to snuff out Hara. In fact we could just have LB shoot him. That could work.
LB wouldn't and won't shoot Hara, and I agree.
In post 4814, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:holy frijole are eagle and prohawk ever giving me the williesI am very confident baldeagle is scum.
I'm in agreement re ProHawk, less so on Eagle. I see how you would be concerned, but I don't see a complete bereftness of town feeling.
In post 4819, Lost Butterfly wrote: In post 4816, 1baldeagle1 wrote:So, you guys don't give a fuck whether confirmed scum is on my wagon and that he is barely pushing it? Yeah, uwop is scum and I feel less happy about Hara.
On the one hand, this is stupid. On the other, is this stupid in a scum way? I'm not sure.
I don't think it's scum-stupid. Sounds too frustrated about the described predicament.
Your way of playing right now isn't doing any better than mine, yknow that, right?
Unvote
Pardon me if I didn't catch the drippingly obvious sarcasm. <_<.
In post 4842, Lost Butterfly wrote:The "correlation" is that the only reason scum would govern the same town player twice is to set him up to be lynched in LYLO. If I were scum (OR if scum had a NK in reserve), today would be MYLO. They would never govern a mislynch in MYLO.
Okay, that makes sense.
In post 4842, Lost Butterfly wrote:For Nero-scum? For Nero-town? For both? Where are you heading with this? The most obvious reason he would is because he's scum, and therefore, scum don't want him lynched. Or are you arguing that town governed Nero?
Just in general, really. The same kind of argument that was presented yesterday still applies, only it's riskier for scum now because of how much room the back-to-back lynches would give us after bringing it so close.
But really, Governing him once, as what happened yesterday, makes sense; governing him
twice
just makes me so damn confused about why that the more likely thing to me is Nero-town being defended from behind the scenes.
Then what the hell does Eagle's new townread on me have to do with anything in this particular debate because IIRC that's what this whole thing started with?! Unless the 2nd sentence is supposed to be a completely different subject matter, I fail to see why it's NOT about me.
As I said, the double-govern has thrown me in that regard.
I believe I mentioned how I refuse to lynch Harakiri today because regardless of Nero's alignment (and the confusion therein) the govern certainly felt like it was leading to a Harakiri lynch.
Even though I had a brief fit of paranoia over you (to which your outburst at ProHawk was the exact kind of reaction to squash that), that doesn't mean I'm not going to call ridiculous avenues of attack for what they are. ProHawk's reasoning for calling you scum as of late is just retarded and stupid, pure and simple.
Vote: Baldeagle
I hereby refuse to vote LB or Harakiri today (and LB for however much of this game that remains--freely rescind any townreads on me if I do so without good reason). I most likely will not vote muffin or Garuda or Mhork (especially muffin), and while the Baldeagle lynch is fine, I think I'd prefer ProHawk over Bald.
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:35 pm
by ProHawk
Voided, without making an annoying wall of one-liner quote with commentary, tell me from what changed your read of LB from scum to refusal to vote in about 100 posts.
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:04 pm
by uʍop ǝpısdn
That greyhound bus said it had Wi-Fi. That was a lie.