Sid Meier's Civilization 5 UPick Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Chara]

I did specifically point out the flaw in the logic of why scum couldn't have shot A50, you're just electing to ignore it apparently. OTM specifically said "Red is effectively an SK now" and then proceeded to say "Only an SK would shoot A50". Like, for real?

ok, i do remember that.
Mark, can you go over what the difference is again? you mentioned Red has to worry about associations while the SK doesn't, which sort of made sense to me at the time, but starting on day 2 red was still effectively an SK.

[BuJaber]

@chara - I guess it doesn't matter much but I think it is still slightly better shot to go for joda / mark.

Assuming 15/3/3:
We have 12 alive. 9 town 2 orange 1 red.
Religion spreader (can flip only orange or green): 2/11 chance of being scum (assuming no other info).

Can flip only red or green: 1/10 chance of being scum

Can flip any color: 3/12 chance of being scum = 1/4.

Obviously reads and game events change the odds here and there but apart from mark against shaz and shaz against mark nobody seems particularly sure of who they want to lynch so I am using that to make a choice between my scumreads.

So for me it's joda or mark.

[Shaziro]

If somebody says "No they're not a doc, I'm a doc!" that's a claim, not a taunt. If somebody says "I watched him visit A50" they're claiming, not taunting. Don't be pedantic, just accept that that is by no means a taunt, it's a claim of a result.

i don't remember him saying he watched you do it.

Do you honestly expect me to believe that "Why did you visit X" and "I know you visited X" and "I saw you visit X" are any different in the context of this game? You are -really- stretching to hold on to a bad town read and it seriously reeks of scum defending scum.

[Jodaxq]

wait, i just got Joda's post. you think scum has another hidden religion spreader and that pidgey and marshy are both town?

I'm not saying I think that. I'm just saying it's a possibility. If the scum teams have two power roles plus a religion spreader, I would bet the religion spreader would be sent to do the night kill every night and therefore wouldn't ever use their ability. In that case, they would never want to claim religion spreader because they wouldn't want to have to prove their move.

[Chara]

Do you honestly expect me to believe that "Why did you visit X" and "I know you visited X" and "I saw you visit X" are any different in the context of this game? You are -really- stretching to hold on to a bad town read and it seriously reeks of scum defending scum.

"i saw you visit X" would be a roleclaim, but Mark never said it.

[Chara]

i don't know why you keep saying he claimed that like it was a result, because i never read anything like that.

[Joey_]

replace me please

Soz i dont want to play anymore, good luck

[Joey_]

@ my replacement : read the neihborhood then read the game

[Ranmaru]

Joey, stay in. I think we'd benefit with you staying.

[Ranmaru]

Mod: Request Vote Count

[marshy]

damn

[marshy]

klazam should go

shaz what do you make of klazam? i think mark has a decent shot of being scum. that said im not sure chara so openly defends him like that if mark is scum. its usually not that black and white specially this late in the game

[Ranmaru]

Marshy can you talk to me about Bujaber right now? Reasons especially.

[OnTheMark]

i don't know why you keep saying he claimed that like it was a result, because i never read anything like that.

Correct.

It was a taunt to obtain a reaction.

If you were town as you claim that would not impact you in the slightest. Instead you are screaming what I am not doing consistently. If you were town you’d give 0 fucks.

If you were town and your opinion is I am lying scum then in that world, wrong as it is, I would be revealed as such. Again no skin of your back.

However the fact you’re protesting falls under he who doth protest too much.

Now in regards to the SK question

There is an allegory/alliteration I was using to say red’s wincon in essence changed to be that similar to an SK. However they are not going to flip SK. Meaning that red needs to focus on long term survival of self. However red still has the indicators of the two buddies where as the true SK does not.

Hence if the religion spreader case is true, red and orange both do not make that kill.
Reason being is red can’t risk townfirming religion spreaders in that case. Meaning if A50 was the orange religion spreader its a pretty damn good certainty the other two were town. Shaziro however wouldn’t care about that.

While red and the SK have a similar type objective now, I just don’t think red makes that kill. And similarly I don’t think orange makes that kill either as it brings a lot of attention into religion.

Therefore we have:
Red made a silly decision
Orange has no religion spreaders
Or there is an SK

I find the SK most likely of those three but could be convinced on the other two but it’d take a hell of a lot. The main thing that gave me pause at the start of the day was only the one kill but since the kill is so silly for red and orange I find only an SK makes it.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm starting to think klazam can't be orange.

There's quite a bit of disagreement but apart from mark pushing for a shaz lynch there doesn't seem to be any clear counter wagons to klazam. I don't think orange will be obvious about defending him but would want to at least offer some real alternatives. There isn't a lot of consensus right now.
Does mark make sense as orange?
A lot of people are getting townread and it makes me uneasy.

Starting? what about the constant analysis stating Klazam is likely not buddies with Varsoon?

[Gamma Emerald]

replace me please

Soz i dont want to play anymore, good luck

why
sorry to see you go though

[marshy]

Marshy can you talk to me about Bujaber right now? Reasons especially.

his claim looked townie but tbh ive largely given him a pass and been ignoring outside that. it was just such a weird play to make as scum ive been ignoring him

what about you?

[BuJaber]

I'm starting to think klazam can't be orange.

There's quite a bit of disagreement but apart from mark pushing for a shaz lynch there doesn't seem to be any clear counter wagons to klazam. I don't think orange will be obvious about defending him but would want to at least offer some real alternatives. There isn't a lot of consensus right now.
Does mark make sense as orange?
A lot of people are getting townread and it makes me uneasy.

Starting? what about the constant analysis stating Klazam is likely not buddies with Varsoon?

That wasn't my own analysis this is.

[Shaziro]

OTM is the lynch today. 100%. I'm not moving my vote anywhere else save for a mod confirming of town.

[brassherald]

I'm sure I have some thoughts to share. I'll come by tonight and post them. I'm going to be spending the day with my fiancee, though.

[BuJaber]

Mark apart from shaziro who would you want to lynch?

Shaziro apart from mark who would you want to lynch?

Has everyone voted for congress host? Please do if you haven't.

[Shaziro]

OTM is my only vote today. They're the right vote. Depending on what scumteam they flip, I'd be looking into Chara after that.

[Ranmaru]

Marshy can you talk to me about Bujaber right now? Reasons especially.

his claim looked townie but tbh ive largely given him a pass and been ignoring outside that. it was just such a weird play to make as scum ive been ignoring him

what about you?

I felt his play has also been the type to be 'this is too crazy to be scum' but lately I felt a lack of presence from him? Laser also scum read him, so I'm going to re-read him. I think we should meta him to see if this is in his scum range.

[Maestro]

[Maestro]