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Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:26 am**

In post 4923, Spiffeh wrote:Dunny who's your guess for the scum team rn?

DEB/Ydrasse, third and least confident read is Toogaloo

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:27 am**

In post 4924, Spiffeh wrote:Did Solstice crumb supersaint anywhere?

They didn't soft anything

Also, they're claiming supersaint enabler

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:28 am**

Oh ok I misunderstood

I guess that's a little sketchier?

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:30 am**

In post 4922, Dunnstral wrote:He counterclaimed because he's the supersaint and he thought Bell had enough cred to survive

I don't buy this btw

If scum wants to make use of their supersaint ability they're not going to guilty/counterclaim another scum player, they're gonna get their money's worth and guilty/counterclaim a town player so they get the most town deaths for their own death

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:32 am**

Scum guiltying scum is a long game play, where scum supersaint wants to die in the short term

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:36 am**

It was a long term play that was supposed to benefit bell, while letting town push the supersaint, and then pointing to those players the next days. It didn't work for them

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:44 am**

In post 4920, Spiffeh wrote:Norwee no offense but I kinda hope you're the first mason to die so I don't have to deal with you in future days!

Don’t worry. Our hydra will die first. It’s pretty much non-negotiable.

- Norwee

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:49 am**

In post 4931, Double the Trouble wrote:
In post 4920, Spiffeh wrote:Norwee no offense but I kinda hope you're the first mason to die so I don't have to deal with you in future days!
Don’t worry. Our hydra will die first. It’s pretty much non-negotiable.

- Norwee

Can I convince you to get Ydrasse or Toogeloo over Spiffeh?

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:09 am**

In post 4932, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 4931, Double the Trouble wrote:
In post 4920, Spiffeh wrote:Norwee no offense but I kinda hope you're the first mason to die so I don't have to deal with you in future days!
Don’t worry. Our hydra will die first. It’s pretty much non-negotiable.

- Norwee
Can I convince you to get Ydrasse or Toogeloo over Spiffeh?

Hectic townread Ydrasse though, and i want to trust them on it.
Toog is town to Alisae and i don’t really see why their scummy. Why are they to you?

- Norwee

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:15 am**

Toog is part poe, part he was bushing bell/deb as both town a bit last day, and part that he is mostly coasting.

I don't really see them as town, and I'm townreading a lot of other people

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:18 am**

Who do you think the third scum is?

Right now you think it's one of me/DEB, Spiffeh, ____, right?

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:34 am**

In post 4850, Solstice wrote:[If you wanted to sacrifice him this is probably how you'd do it. idk if Dunn is the target they'd choose but i don't really have any way of knowing who that is. It is a little convenient that Dr Easy got a guilty result on presumably the only player in the game who would be show up as guilty]

Convenience here really shouldn't matter. Yes, it's possible that DEB is lying, but yoo can't just look at it from the angle that he is lying. Also, Dunnstral was pretty much in the lim pool anyway. That kinda makes Dunnstral a poor choice to fake guilty because Dunnstral is almost certainly gone before the end of the game.

Dunnstral claimed not vig by refuting Dr Easy Bake's claim. I see no reason for us to lim DEB first here; as mentioned, the vig can always shoot DEB if we're wrong. This just makes much more sense from a mechanical viewpoint, and quite frankly, I don't think DEB's actions are necessarily super scum-indicative for DEB. They may be a little bit, bur not enough to override making the better mechanical play here.

In post 4851, Toogeloo wrote:I will hammer any target where a Super-saint concern might be. I'm confused how we have an enabler for Super-saint and no actual Super-saint though. Like, BM was a VT not a SS, so how did the kill happen?

Why does everyone think there is a Supersaint? I am almost definite it is a red herring. (I will note that this opinion is not backed by facts, but my intuition here.)

In post 4873, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 4871, Double the Trouble wrote:What do you think of DEB v Dunn?
I think the plan to lynch Deb is fine. I think I can hammer, and if DEB is legit, the vig can shoot Dunn. If scum have a SuperSaint and it's DEB, it's better I be the one that hammers.

In post 4876, Toogeloo wrote:I'd probably say DEB is more likely town than Dunn. I can't imagine a game where one scum counter claims another scum and then suicides either another scum buddy or himself the next day with a real or fake scan.

Uh, this is rather contradictory.

In post 4894, Dunnstral wrote:DEB being supersaint makes a lot of sense

Scum team was hopign DEB would die instead of Bell, and that Bell would look better, while DEb kills someone else

I don't see why they would think this at all. The case on Bell was pretty solid. The counterclaim had the opposite effect: it was the final nail in the coffin.

In post 4905, Dunnstral wrote:Right now it sounds like DEB can be shot without getting me first

Just going to note that mechanically, this is like the worst option.
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In case my stance isn't clear here, I really think we should lim Dunn here. Then we vig DEB if we're wrong. If we are correct, we have a detective who can still get us results. Alternatively, scum kills detective!DEB which is still a major plus because the masons can still dominate in the day.

DEB's scum equity here does not exceed making the sensible mechanical play. Dunnstral was townie day 1, but he tapered off day 2. Again, his towniness does not exceed making the sensible mechanical play here.

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:44 am**

Catching up~
What's a supersaint?
Ik what an enabler is. I've seen a doc enabler one time.

-nornor

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:51 am**

Skimmed all the way up.
Ok so we have caught scum. Dunn or DEB. Ig it shouldn't really matter who it is then. Just kill both and we got scum.
Seems p ez.
Also is it possible to have a ___ enabler in a game where the role ___ doesn't exist?

-nornor

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:55 am**

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:56 am**

Wiki Page on Enabler -- Normal Guidelines wrote: There is no requirement that the role being Enabled actually exists within the game.

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:00 am**

Toogeloo has had bad takeaways all game

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:02 am**

In post 4941, Dunnstral wrote:Toogeloo has had bad takeaways all game

From Chinese restaurants? Or Kebab store?

- Norwee

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:05 am**

In post 4935, Dunnstral wrote:Who do you think the third scum is?

Right now you think it's one of me/DEB, Spiffeh, ____, right?

I initially thought the third one was just PBE, but Solstice's claim is kinda ehhhhhh...
I'm therefore not too sure about it right now.

- Norwee

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:09 am**

Some of your confusion might be from the fact that you're incorrectly scum reading me

Just a thought

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:10 am**

Norwee can you explain why you're townreading Ydrasse and Toogeloo?

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:11 am**

In post 4877, Double the Trouble wrote:
In post 4840, Double the Trouble wrote:Anyhow, I really wanna hear about why Solstice thought Dunn wasn't aligned with Bell when Dunn literally would not vote Bell like no matter what and when Pooky said it could be DEB Dunn was like "So you're saying that the detectives can be scum" and voted DEB like hello?

@Solstice

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i think the frustration in those posts is unlikely to be directed to a partner

~mist

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:11 am**

In post 4944, Spiffeh wrote:Some of your confusion might be from the fact that you're incorrectly scum reading me

Just a thought

Then why have you done literally nothing that's town?

- Norwee

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:12 am**

also hello all happy solstice (heh)

i have finals for the next three days so MT will probably be posting more than me

~mist

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:15 am**

Oof finals right before Chrsitmas

Good luck Mistyx!

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