In post 4695, petapan wrote:i'm gonna start with dunn's iso because it's short and i will have an easier time focusing on it. this is going to be a more raw note taking style rather than working things into legible conclusions so as to be presentable, not how i'd normally post things but i'm just going to try to be as open with my process as i can be right now even if it is not necessarily the most readable and ventures into IIoA territory because i want to be thorough.
the interactions from dunn should be taken as supplemental to main reads on players rather than being the entire basis for a read. some of this stuff probably won't be important/readable. doesn't matter
173 - "And your motive is what?" to Taly
I saw this response as ignoring my
172 post entirely, but didn't think it AI.
In post 4695, petapan wrote:175 - reply to dwlee about speculating on mechanics of first even, in response to something pooky said
177 is a significant post because it follows the narrative that scum actually wanted to drive scummy players into this decision. I remember
Saber
making a similar post.
Makes me think
Gamma
was the perfect player regardless of alignment. Theoretically, a scum-kingmaker makes a bus look attractive in retrospect, and scumread-town-kingmaker is good if the player doesn't PoE many town VS LHF or biased reads against other townies. I don't think all 4 scum was on him versus
Galron
, though.
That's not me agreeing with the post, I'm not sure scum would be able to sabotage in a way that is "get an extra kill" for balance reasons
I wonder if this is
Dunn
saying that scum knew they couldn't kill multiple players.
This pushes my idea to
Gamma
-town because why would scum-
Dunn
incriminate themselves by pushing
Cakez
for wanting to trust a
Prism
-kingmaker but vote
Gamma
later?
This assumes
Dunn
is so consistent in scumplay, but the suspicion of
Cakez
at first glance isn't odd. I mean, why would
Dunn
indirectly argue V
Prism
-kingmaker if they were S/S?
Fluff.
In post 4695, petapan wrote:210 - "I didn't want to believe that everybody advocating for self votes was town" this is an interesting comment. to my memory, the people who had been advocating some form of self vote, whether joking or not were prism/pooky/taly. i haven't fact checked this but if i had to make a snap judgment here i would say that this means the people who had been advocating some form of self vote in the early game
are
town
Love this take.
Dunn
seems to have a flaw in his scumplay of TMI'ing. I feel like his intent in the post above is to intercept credit on
Me/Pooky/Taly
by voting
Pooky
, questioning my motive, and barking at
Cakez
for pushing
Prism
.
It doesn't feel like he actually believes in his thought but is simply finding a reason to allow suspicion on a slot, I say this as there was no question or follow-up thought to illustrate anything deeper.
He could be distancing from
Prism
scumbuddy as to focus on a player like
Cakez
rather than
Prism
, but nothing else in his ISO suggests this.
In post 4695, petapan wrote:218 - "what kill?" in response to dwlee
219 - "How am I supposed to interperet this?" in response to dwlee making a comment about among us mafia
Could be either way with his alignment with
Dwlee
. He shows little desire to resolve
Dunn
or inform him.
In post 4695, petapan wrote:i
325 - "So do you think the 3 in 290 are scum or not?" in response to gamma's early post voting pooky. questioning/joining the pile-on
This is really, really awkward as fuck. Because on one hand,
Dunn
could be testing the waters to get a green light to scumread
Gamma's
PoE because he doesn't actually have a stated position of these players, or push
Gamma
over backlash. Positing.
Kind of vexed that this flies over
Gamma's
head, slight negative on
Gamma
here but does
Dunn
-scum do this to a buddy so early?
Still don't get much from this
Toog
interaction.
In post 4695, petapan wrote:416 - Galron asks why we're eliminating someone less than 24 hours into the game, dunn says "we're just voting" in response. nothing reply but maybe slightly unaligning just for the fact that he bothered to respond to him at all
Yeah this doesn't feel like scum/scum. I feel like
Dunn
would've formulated a stance rather than give an
"lol cause"
thought to a townie because it's passable.
Stiff. Feels like scum painting an unfortunate narrative to a towny? It doesn't feel distance-y because it is met without resistance. I don't think scum challenges scum and then nothing happens usually, especially when
Gamma
is the main topic and a current suspect right now, so it's doubly easier for
Dunn
-scum to project the method of a kingmaker in a town-
Gamma
that is acting impulsively.
In post 4695, petapan wrote:418 - this seems to be a response addressed to gamma despite quoting Galron, saying "We had a problem with your viewpoint, not the fact that you were playing serious"
This gives
Dunn/Gamma
coach-vibes but why does
Dunn
bother if
Gamma
was likely being nominated and S/S would want to have a kill in their pocket?
In post 4695, petapan wrote:419 - re-quoting his old post and voting cakez. i think this is overall a good look for cakez
I'm inclined to agree but it feels premature at this moment.
In post 4695, petapan wrote:1015 - cakez says "that said I see where you're coming from re; it not adding up for you" in response to dunn, dunn says "I'm not sure that you do?".
i think this is a very good look for cakez
Can you elaborate why
Peta
?
In post 4695, petapan wrote:1031 - "I'm interested in hearing about Cephrir being scummy" in response to Prism's reads list. mild town points for that slot, i think
I can see that. It is likelier that
Dunn
wants to progress a TvT rather than encourage a buddy to sus somewhere other than where he is, because
Dunn
leaves the implication that he might vote
Ceph
in the end.
In post 4695, petapan wrote:1035 - "Without looking at meta I disagree with this read" in response to Gamma voting ulyana
A little odd to defend
Ulya
because they don't seem in too much a threat either way but I'm wondering the motive on why scum defends scum here.
Hahaha, I'm far more interested in
Saber's
1047 being a soft-defense of
Dunn
and redirection to
Infinity/Skitter/Ydra
.
Do you think
Gamma/Saber
S/S is ever a reality,
Peta
? I know that implies
Dunn/Gamma/Saber
but
Dunn/Saber
either really wanted one of their own as a king, or manipulated a lot of
Gamma's
progression Event 1. Which is likelier?
In post 4695, petapan wrote:1055 - this is shade on ceph, which is not relevant because ceph is dead but the form is at least notable as we see
Gamma
killed
Ceph
when
Galron
didn't work, hmmmm.
In post 4695, petapan wrote:1082/
1090 - response to Taly about how there's no power roles so there's no need to announce intent to hammer on Gamma Emerald, followed with a comment about how not every game needs to be painful, seemingly urging people to end the day.
i think that this is a good look for gamma unless we assume some amount of 5D chess taking place here, he seems to want to push people to kill gamma but is not positioning himself to take credit for a bus or anything of the sort
Dunn
pressed me here. :/ I agree with your take.
What little meta I have, this is likely correct on Dunn
. Very muted as scum.
In post 4695, petapan wrote:[post=1111]1111 - E-1 vote on Gamma Emerald
1420/
1421 - posts on gamma voting himself into the chair. these are the ones pooky caught him on. honestly, the massive hedge here on gamma's alignment is something i would not say is a good look for gamma. in a vacuum it'd seem partnery. but it's just a single data point, other things look good
Perhaps let's look at
Saber/HQ
and another player's ISO after this?
At this point, it could just be
Dunn
backtracking from any set agenda, but I'm not leaving partner-interaction off the table, just unlikely with the surrounding posts.
In post 4695, petapan wrote:1423 - "What happened to the multiple people who were willing to hammer Gamma?"
1464 - response to taly clarifying statements about gamma. "I'm pointing out that he had a chance to get into the chair if he wanted to"
1467 - response to pooky about gamma
that he felt the need to respond to both of these questions about his stance is mildly +town for taly given we know pooky was asking something similar
It just felt unnaturally pushy on his end. I don't know why he felt the desire to just hammer
Gamma
before he thread was fully ready. It felt like
Gamma
-king was pre-emptive in retrospect and I only picked this up on a surface level and didn't think to follow further.
In post 4695, petapan wrote:1472 - "I'm not sure what you're getting at but I never said any of that." in response to Taly
1486 - response to Taly I think, of trying to explain himself about the wagon falling apart
1491 - clarification about who
1090 was aimed at
This never pacified my read on
Dunn
, btw. Words did not align with tone, but I didn't feel strong enough to assert, I also was focused on sorting
Ulya
.
In post 4695, petapan wrote:1877 - gamma asks dunn about why he's responded to certain things, dunn gives a fairly neutral answer about not having read the whole game and
i, again, don't really like this that much for gamma. the question feels like a softball and dunn's response doesn't feel threatened
I don't feel one way or the other here.
Gamma
could be sincere in trying to identify his major vex but misses the mark.
At the same time I can see your POV, this is after
Gamma's
choices, and
Dunn
was well in his PoE.
In post 4695, petapan wrote:1878 - "How many times this game has it been made clear that there are no town prs?" in response to Galron making a comment about a town PR dying. i don't want to rest too firmly on it but i'm not sure he'd be so quick to cut down a partner's fake dumbtell
It is anti-partnery and aligns with the T/S dynamic of
Dunn/Galron
I mentioned earlier in this post.
Makes me glad I came to the conclusion of
Dunn/(anyone but Unwnd)
duel.
In post 4695, petapan wrote:1882 - there's an interaction with gamma here,
1881 initiating this. i think "ulyana is one of my only townreads in the game" is +town for ulyana simply because dunn would not feel like he would have the thread position to hard defend a partner. gamma again looks a bit weak from the interaction here,
1883 is obviously underwhelming.
I can see this... but it's interesting because this proposes a gamestate that scum have early-on been either protecting their buddy
Ulya
or just defending her as town unnecessarily.
Reminds me of the townreads I got early game.
~~~
I'll review the rest of your post tomorrow
Peta
.