I wouldn't and won't. I'm just prepared for Kagami doing it.
In post 4948, Dunnstral wrote:Nobodies following my lynch path anyway and it gets tiring going on about it and nobody listening
^that also seems somewhat villagery by Dunn. Part of me thinks it's potential ATE with his neck potentially on the line but it still feels honest to me.
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:34 pm
by mhsmith0
Dunn, can you talk about SAD/scout a bit more? In particular, It seems like you think scout is potential scum there; what in particular makes you think scum instead of just lazy/bad town?
In post 4949, Kagami wrote:At this point I just want smith to die for his reckless wasting of precious words.
well at least pushing me would be better than suiciding.
I've already said that you die when Dunn flips town and pie agreed. Unfortunately, it looks like parama-pair has to die second.
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:36 pm
by Ser Arthur Dayne
Wait seriously flipping Dunn/Kagami before Parama.
What fucking world am I living in.
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:37 pm
by Kagami
I found the awkward distancing from parama slightly more entertaining than this latest route to smith- survival, though.
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:44 pm
by Dunnstral
In post 4952, mhsmith0 wrote:Dunn, can you talk about SAD/scout a bit more? In particular, It seems like you think scout is potential scum there; what in particular makes you think scum instead of just lazy/bad town?
SAD is also potential scum. Bussing exists and he's not really engaging in anything beyond his tunnel. Once again, bussing exists and I explained that parama isn't really trying to save themself.
Also possible that scout is scum. When I mentioned we should kill parama pair --> scout pair he freaked out and called me scum (and his argument there is something like I wouldn't 'namedrop' as town) even though by his own suspicions of SAD he should be ok with it.
He then "threatened" to suicide saying if his pair had scum in it I was scum (what he says didn't make sense but he never intended to suicide anyway - just hot air)
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:48 pm
by Dunnstral
Well, mhsmith is preparing for me to flip town.
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:49 pm
by mhsmith0
In post 4953, Kagami wrote:I've already said that you die when Dunn flips town and pie agreed. Unfortunately, it looks like parama-pair has to die second.
I still fail to see why, if you're decently sure dunn is town, you're not just pushing the people you want us to lynch after said town flip. Or, for that matter, why you think that I, as scum, would ever be bothered by trading a town suicide that turns the game into LYLO for a scum lynch that still means town needs to run the table to win the game.
Part of me just thinks this is a scam of some sort, and you're just looking to be "convinced" not to suicide, but since you've actually been on the "suicide is totally a good idea guys" bandwagon most of the game, I guess you actually probably mean it. All I can say is it's a really bad idea, for all the reasons I've already discussed. I don't really want to get into a yelling match about it again, you already know what I think and why I think it.
And is trying to get kagami not to suicide, almost like he's starting to think you're town and kagami may be about to blow the game.
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:50 pm
by Dunnstral
VOTE: mhsmith0-pieguyn
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:51 pm
by mhsmith0
In post 4959, Dunnstral wrote:Also preparing to argue that kagami shouldn't have suicided and now town's in a perilous position but jester must be scum
Don't let him do that
If you flip town, I would always argue that kagami shouldn't have suicided and that town's now in a perilous position.
"but jester must be scum", though, isn't something that I've been leading towards; why do you think I have been?
In post 4922, Kagami wrote:Most likely non-dunn group (and I'm inclined to think dunn town if for no reason other than his insistence that he gets to decide something if I suicide) remains Smith-Jester-Parama to my mind.
In post 4923, Kagami wrote:Nobody has suggested any really plausible counter-configuration for the kagami-plan, including parama who should really be the most capable and invested, so I'm kind of inclined to just go with it.
If you're leaning that dunn is town, what's the downside of pushing harder on parama, me or jester vs suiciding on dunn?
What do you think of Parama's push on your unvote/revote (I remember you said a while ago that you wanted to kill everyone who bitched about it, but I'm curious about what she'd said there in particular and her stated reasoning). Like, not so much do you agree (duh) but do you think it's even a reasonable read to make in the first place.
In post 4946, mhsmith0 wrote:Is this you being lock sure parama is scum, and ditto SAD (or scout)? I just don't see why you'd rather suicide than actually go through the process of pushing through a lynch here? Is it just that the game has drained you? More than that?
I wouldn't and won't. I'm just prepared for Kagami doing it.
In post 4948, Dunnstral wrote:Nobodies following my lynch path anyway and it gets tiring going on about it and nobody listening
^that also seems somewhat villagery by Dunn. Part of me thinks it's potential ATE with his neck potentially on the line but it still feels honest to me.
In post 4953, Kagami wrote:I've already said that you die when Dunn flips town and pie agreed. Unfortunately, it looks like parama-pair has to die second.
I still fail to see why, if you're decently sure dunn is town, you're not just pushing the people you want us to lynch after said town flip. Or, for that matter, why you think that I, as scum, would ever be bothered by trading a town suicide that turns the game into LYLO for a scum lynch that still means town needs to run the table to win the game.
Part of me just thinks this is a scam of some sort, and you're just looking to be "convinced" not to suicide, but since you've actually been on the "suicide is totally a good idea guys" bandwagon most of the game, I guess you actually probably mean it. All I can say is it's a really bad idea, for all the reasons I've already discussed. I don't really want to get into a yelling match about it again, you already know what I think and why I think it.
note also that pushing her to discuss parama also served to potentially move away from the suicide idea. idk where you get "smith hasn't done anything to advance his 'please don't suicide' agenda" from.
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:55 pm
by mhsmith0
In post 4965, Dunnstral wrote:And it's because you've been on jester with your vote all day and you only unvoted him because I said something about him flaking out.
no, you're arguing that I explicitly was preparing to argue that jester must be scum due to the game state. Where have I made such a push of late, either explicitly or subtly?
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:56 pm
by Dunnstral
In post 4967, mhsmith0 wrote:Where have I made such a push of late, either explicitly or subtly?
Please state who you think is scum if my pair is town.
In post 4967, mhsmith0 wrote:Where have I made such a push of late, either explicitly or subtly?
Please state who you think is scum if my pair is town.
I don't know, and have been fairly clear about not really knowing for quite some time. Now explain where a made the push like you're accusing me of.
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:02 pm
by Dunnstral
You didn't make the push, I'm saying that's what you'd do after because it's what you've been doing. You have been pushing jester early into this phase
In post 4949, Kagami wrote:At this point I just want smith to die for his reckless wasting of precious words.
well at least pushing me would be better than suiciding.
Also preparing to argue that kagami shouldn't have suicided and now town's in a perilous position but jester must be scum
Don't let him do that
^implies im actively preparing the way for it
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:08 pm
by Dunnstral
You're actively preparing the first two parts, which you agreed to.
The last part if you're scum going down you might not even do. I don't see why you're hung up over it
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:08 pm
by mhsmith0
Ps I've actually been making posts suggestive of going on scout if you flipped town (the whole Dunn/scout/pie not all town bit).
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:10 pm
by mhsmith0
In post 4972, Dunnstral wrote:You're actively preparing the first two parts, which you agreed to.
The last part if you're scum going down you might not even do. I don't see why you're hung up over it
The third point is the relevant one. The first two are just genetically/obviously true. Restating them without doing anything with them would be more or less meaningless, so saying I'm preparing to argue something obvious is... not interesting? The point only holds water if you think I'm doing it to set up jester, otherwise it's just noise.