Mini Normal 2163: MItGBSMoD [game over!]

[PlusJOYED]

well... shit, maybe I need to rethink NdMath/Ydrasse for shellys partner
i have to get shelly dead today regardless

[PlusJOYED]

reason being, is that I was pretty sure 4 prs was the max but if 2 people are saying that's wrong then I might be wrong

[shellyc]

why are you still posturing around scum

im apathetic but I have time tonight to self towncase
a reminder that kerset shaded me a LOT of times and had definitely not s/s interactions with me

[PlusJOYED]

shelly im kinda impressed you managed to bring me along with 2 super pussyfooting players today. I'm lowkey impressed lylo has gone on this long

[PlusJOYED]

[quote="In post 4952, shellyc"]why are you still posturing around scum
/quote]
ha, so you know im town. nice slip
or maybe that was intentional to sell mena?

[PlusJOYED]

oops broken quote

[shellyc]

it was meant to be "why are you still posturing around, scum" and directed towards you

[shellyc]

can we elim plus exactly tomorrow so it falls in line with my third month on MS

self towncasing turned out to be hard so im proooobably gunna scumcase plus first

[shellyc]

in case the phrasing was a bit confusing
I have not much idea how to self towncase so im going to work on scum!plus case first

[Menalque]

I’m not gonna lie, you two can towncase/scumcase each other as you like but I have a moderately long-standing rule about not listening to anything slots who have confirmed scum in them say on the day of lylo, and instead looking at trajectories throughout the game

Which is what I’m planning to try and do once I have some time and before I make a final choice, although I would say I’m definitely leaning plus atm

[Menalque]

I would encourage @ydrasse and @NDmath to also look carefully at game wide progression and to avoid looking too closely at the arguments both make today (as both have major incentive to be survivalistic, to look as optically townie as possible, and to try to get the other killed)

Lmao if this is just SvS tho and we could have elimmed days ago without it making a difference

[shellyc]

The following are the reasons why PlusJOYED is obvscum

1) Trajectory inconsistency

Throughout the game, plus constantly changes his mind at the drop of the hat, having shifting reads on much of the plist, which indicates scum because scum have to track all stances and sometimes a pocketable player may be more suited for a miselim, and the read-changes really evoke that.

IV: total scumbucket. I'll do a full casing later. I'm aware this tunnel without explanation is sus from me but idc. I want him to lower his guard first and hit him with a big list later on. SR

look at early plus SR on iv: they're self aware of how the tunnel might be perceived, they are also stalling out the casing of IV

Basically, I TR IV until around page 3 when he made mistake/scumtells so WIFOM kicked in and now he's ultra scum mafia god

stating that they had a {nonexistent according to my checks} TR on iv while suddenly reversing it for ???? reason there is no obv scumtell in IV's ISO in page 3-6

I'm still leaning towards IV being scum the most but if only me, shelly, and lurkerman think so and the rest think IV is town there's not much I can do since the read is pretty gut based. I'm willing to join on a taylor wagon though since they seem second scummiest.

when I start (incorrectly) pushing town!taylor plus suddenly shifts over to there and abandons their IV scumread at the drop of a hat.
then later when IV "scumslipped" plus suddenly forgot about their taylor SR and joined the IV wagon, which is indicative of scum changing stances agreeing the consensus
plus basically does this read shifting at the drop of a hat to everyone.

2) Kerset Interactions

so plusjoyed has some crazy weird interations with scum!kerset as well.
early on in 230 plus tries and discredit the kerset tunnel from saude, and the retaliatory SR from plus on saude is a chainsaw

Me:
bob (townie god) > shelly > ydrasse > andres > mena > suadade > kerset > teacher > osuka > IV (leaning more townie) >  NDMath > taylor (scum extraordinaire)

see how kerset is stuck in the middle, tbh most scum usually nullread their partners from my experiences

i don't wanna vote kerset his avi is cute

random reason to not join the kerset wagon.

I'd prefer if we get either suadade, teacher, taylor, ndmath or osuka. since those are the people i sr/am null on. so take your vote off kerset please

(post doc-claim from kerset) tries and get on other people instead of voting kerset with the claim to help try and get a town flip d1

don't throw kerset
this is tvt

randomly calls saude-kerset t/t which sticks out. preflip associations are lame and theres no explanation for this at all

Kerset claimed gated so i could see them being town still. That or mafia has a roleblocker. Still my TR on them has weakened with flips.

when saude is nightkilled plus starts setting kerset up for a bus if needed with this downwards trajectory. but still remains broad TR to see what happens

But kerset isn't getting my vote today

tries and talk town out of limming kerset but then this happens...

???
Well shit, I don't see how this post could come from anywhere but scum even with my confbias. Guess I was wrong on you kerset
UNVOTE:
VOTE: kerset

randomly thinks this post comes from a scum mindset and suddenly forgets the kerset TR at the drop of a hat since the tide is now against kerset, this is a clear hard bus with no logical reasoning behind the vote

case to be continued

[PlusJOYED]

I’m not gonna lie, you two can towncase/scumcase each other as you like but I have a moderately long-standing rule about not listening to anything slots who have confirmed scum in them say on the day of lylo, and instead looking at trajectories throughout the game

Which is what I’m planning to try and do once I have some time and before I make a final choice, although I would say I’m definitely leaning plus atm

i feel like I've made my points already, just waiting on you guys
though I will say this: bussing here in lylo doesn't make sense from a scumteam perspective, but literally everyone else today has leaned voting me all of day 5 (math, mena, shelly, ydrasse)
especially now that you've revealed that your jk mena and ndmath might be commuter, why would any of my potential scumpartners wanna take the chance of getting jailed and losing?
I also think you might be misunderstanding meta here
im town, have acted like my town meta the whole time. I don't care about looking townie I care about solving
shellyc has a meta habit of bussing early and the fact that she voted kerset means nothing.

Anyway, I don't care as much about winning and losing, so if you wanna vote me out go ahead, but I prefer if you listened to andres who can't speak today.
Shellyc wants to win more than me, and I don't mind losing too much if I'm right here, mainly when town was pretty shitty this game. The only town slots I think that played decent were saudade, andres?, and mena?
I dislike being at E1 a long time, hurry up.
my solve remains ndmath/shellyc/kerset
I also think Ydrasse has played an incredibly scummy game, and wouldn't be too shocked if the solve becomes shellyc/ydrasse/kerset

[shellyc]

pls dont AtE plus.

if it's math/me I didnt bus at all (bussing and distancing are not the same thing)
if it's ydrasse/me i probably did the opposite of bussing if anything

[PlusJOYED]

Oh also, to spite shellyc (pretty sure she is aussie time), I'm gonna self vote in 23 hours so she doesn't get the win on the day of her joindate + 3 months

[PlusJOYED]

pls dont AtE plus.

if it's math/me I didnt bus at all (bussing and distancing are not the same thing)
if it's ydrasse/me i probably did the opposite of bussing if anything

you bussed kerset

[shellyc]

Oh also, to spite shellyc (pretty sure she is aussie time), I'm gonna self vote in 23 hours so she doesn't get the win on the day of her joindate + 3 months

yeah i realise i dont since we still have one more scum to find

[shellyc]

you bussed kerset

well you were on kerset wagon as well with a very forced vote and weird trajectory so that could be bussing as well

[PlusJOYED]

i explained already
after kerset made that post about not healing saude on purpose there's no way that came from scum
there's honestly no point since people have made up their minds already

[shellyc]

How is that scummy

Not healing a lolclaim that death tunnelled you is kinda not warranting a 180

[PlusJOYED]

the 3 month thing was a pretty obvious scumslip but "SCuM SliPs aRe ToWniE"
also shelly if im scum and your town why would I kill andres who last said they were gonna nuke you
peddit: not healing a cop claim is stupid regardless

[Ydrasse]

at this point i think i'll probably just end up voting plus :/ i've read through a ton of things and i still can't get over the feeling that they're scum. i think i'd feel bad too ignoring my gut on this because it's been pointing at plus literally all game.

[NDMath]

I'm pretty set on voting plus today. (Should've said this before ydrasse did oops.)

I'll vote once Mena announces/decides who'll he'll jailkeep tonight.
I would prefer ydrasse but I won't protest if it's not since I don't expect it to matter.

[shellyc]

also shelly if im scum and your town why would I kill andres who last said they were gonna nuke you

sometimes a dead townie's words are more impacting than alive townies

why would I make such an obvious kill if you look at it fmpov. ive rolled scum enough to know that's incriminating for me

[shellyc]

3) Deflection

Each time there's pressure pon plusjoy they just throw out random theories in order to avoid being eventually elim'd

yeah
osuka is scum not for his iv read, but because he continued to SR mena after IV flipped. Also the vote back off of kerset was sus as well
Ydrasse I liked day 1 but the hammer was sus af and I feel like they are the deepwolf here. They claimed to be bad at mafia scum roles but i've fallen for that before. And since near end of day 1 I haven't liked their posts

here they list osuka as scum while later on they start listing osuka as town when plus realises I can be miselim'd so they bounce on osuka's TvT with me
here is the first post starting to shade ydrasse IMMEDIATELY after ydrasse asks plus to explain their trajectories which is omgussy and is setting up ydrasse as my partner to achieve a miselim on me

when pressured in the osuka/bob/plus split gamestate they suddenly forget about their bob TR here

i SR osuka more and I think I TR bob honestly

and suddenly buddy up osuka to pressure bob elim and setup a shelly elim after that. this is setting up chain elims. im sure plus doesnt have chronic amnesia so this weird flexing of stances is obvscum

my osuka read is that that's just his playstyle and he's kinda wack at times

see this random playstyle reason to pocket osuka and head towards shelly/bob elims

4) General Gamestate

I would like to remind you all that according to this:

PlusJOYED [3]: Ydrasse, shellyc, Tayl0r Swift
bob3141 [2]: Andresvmb, PlusJOYED
osuka [2]: bob3141, NDMath
shellyc [1]: osuka

Not Voting [1]: Menalque

because im town, the three-way split obviously cannot be all-town. bob and osuka both have flipped green so it's just plus here. the smaller town CWs to scum!plus wagon make sense from a VCA perspective.

5) VCA

innocentvillager

[7]:

Tayl0r Swift

,

PlusJOYED

,

osuka

,

innocentvillager

,

teacher

, NDMath, Ydrasse [HAMMER]

teacher

[2]:

Kerset

,

bob3141

PlusJOYED

[2]:

Andresvmb

, Menalque

Kerset

[2]: Saudade, shellyc

plus on town wagon, town!andres and probtown!menal both on scumplus makes a lot of sense
d2 kerset elim with the hardbus randomly from plus makes sense (we all know what happened so not quoting)

bob3141

[5]:

PlusJOYED

, shellyc, Menalque,

Tayl0r Swift

,

Andresvmb

[HAMMER]

osuka

[2]:

bob3141

, NDMath

PlusJOYED

[1]: Ydrasse
shellyc [1]:

osuka

plus going on bob despite them being their biggest TR over much of d1 and d2 doesnt make any logical sense at all

osuka [4]: Andresvmb, NDMath, Menalque, Ydrasse [HAMMER]
shellyc [1]: PlusJOYED
NDMath [1]: osuka

Not Voting [1]: shellyc

plus staying off osuka for cred and going on me to set up this lylo situation