Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

[Thestatusquo]

I don't get it, his claim seems to be that he has none currently? Couldn't he have just used it? Did he explicitly claim he started with 0?

I'm missing a lot of context here.

[Something_Smart]

Based on his earlier claim that he has a role-related reason for not knowing if Titus blocked him from regenerating SP, I'm assuming that he meant that he can't get or use SP.

[Dunnstral]

Why doesn't it make sense flavor-wise for Farmer to be a field class that just doesn't have sp

Which is different from a combat class that has sp but has no reason to use it

flavor vs mechanics and we're relying too much on mechanics right now at end of day which is worrying

[borkjerfkin]

Mod Event

Votecount 2.7

Adventurers

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MURDERCAT [9]: NDMath, WhemeStar, Ircher, Bell, Lady Lambdadelta, Dunnstral, Chara, Farkran, Sigmund
NDMath [6]: Titus, MURDERCAT, Artemiana, Bingle, Dwlee99, Something_Smart
Dunnstral [1]: White Fire
Ircher [1]: Thestatusquo
notscience [1]: notscience
Something_Smart [1]: morph the cat

Not voting [1]: Flea the Magician

With 20 alive it takes 11 to eliminate. Stratum 2 ends in (expired on 2021-06-14 22:25:25).

[Ircher]

5. Knowing the flavor will make me happy, but relying too much on it will get you burned. Don't do it.

[Something_Smart]

It's not just mechanics. There's a clear reason why he would act the way he did as scum, and there's a clear reason why his claim is suspect.

"Field" and "combat" don't have a meaning within the game, so I don't see why they'd have a slight difference that hardly matters most of the time.

[morph the cat]

@people who know flavor (i.e. morph): is SP a mechanic in the game? Is Farmer a class that does not use it?

Cabd probably won't be around until later tonight (if then). He thinks that if there are roles that don't have an SP-enabled ability, both sides will have them. I've asked him specifically about the Farmer class and will post his answer if he can't himself.

You asked about our read of you.

Mine is gut and my gut is waffling. One of the things that really set me off in the Guardians game was the way you approached me there, way more familiarly than in prior games where I initiated most of our interactions. You have not done that here, probably because of how I reacted there. And I've tried to just let the read come to me. The blank space in the game where our (fairly scant) interactions have been in pre-Guardians games is blank space because I'm not engaging you enough. So, I'm scumreading you for not interacting with me when 1) interacting with me had a high cost in the previous game and 2) I'm not making interaction happen either.

I don't feel like this is a strong enough reason to have a vote on you right now, but I'm not likely to change it without a sync.

[Bingle]

I do not have SP.

As I said, I had to confirm that I had SP with unwnd, so it is possible Math didn't know.

[Dunnstral]

I do not have SP.

As I said, I had to confirm that I had SP with unwnd, so it is possible Math didn't know.

Disagree that you could not know

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee might be scum btw.

No, guillo was too uptight to be scum

Idk. I think Guillo was mildly townie but not by a large margin due to similarity in play across alignments. Dwlee has been scumming it up ever since replacing in. Like, I want to give the benefit of the doubt, but they're making it really tough to do so.

Interactions with me were actually terrible you should reread it. Gave me the actual worst vibes of "I have complete bullshit reasons to want MC dead."

This btw is a prime example of my above comment.

^scum

[Chara]

I don't get it, his claim seems to be that he has none currently? Couldn't he have just used it? Did he explicitly claim he started with 0?

I'm missing a lot of context here.

Math should know by now if he had SP unless moderation is inconsistent.

[Chara]

oh that quote was accidental and yet somehow relevant.

[NDMath]

2. On N0, everyone will start with 2 SP. SP is required in order to certain abilities. You need enough SP to do so. If you have enough SP, you may be allowed to use more than one ability. Everyone will gain 1 SP at the end of the night stratum (this does not count towards N0).

This seems to imply that it's not possible for a role to not have SP.

I was explicitly told I do not have SP.
Idk what to say beyond that.
I don't see why scum!me with sp would try to claim not having sp?

VOTE: NDMath
Okay that I don't believe and with the lack of content I think simplest explanation is scum unless someone else can corroborate no SP. Mod post literally confirms everyone starts with SP.

Particularly don't like this, am at the same page as ircher on dwlee.

[morph the cat]

One other thought from Cabd, he thinks there's a lackadaisical feel to the game design in terms of small details matching up. He feels like expecting consistency could be disappointing.

[Bell]

I'll let LLD decide.
If it were up to me I would elim Murderkitty during the day and just wait one night to see whether NDmath dies or not, because a watcher is a role that isn't going to live very long.

[Bell]

What do you think of Murdercat's absence Morph?
Sorry for asking you things right now. You can answer when you like, no time pressure.

[Something_Smart]

Cabd probably won't be around until later tonight (if then). He thinks that if there are roles that don't have an SP-enabled ability, both sides will have them. I've asked him specifically about the Farmer class and will post his answer if he can't himself.

Well, we know that there is at least one (and likely two) town roles that do not have SP abilities-- but that's not the same as not having SP at all. Though, Bingle does raise a good point, though I really wish he had waited to raise it till NDMath showed up.

Regarding your read on me-- I think I've interacted with you about as much as I usually do in a large. My interactions with you in Guardians were a high for a number of reasons; aside from the obvious ones (smaller game, individual reads more relevant), there's also the fact that I have a hard time telling you and Cabd apart most of the time, so it's hard for me to reach out to you specifically.

I'm honestly not sure why I feel that differently about the two of you given that most of my experience with you has been with both of you together. Maybe it's because I've known you longer (you modded one of my first games on the site).

[Chara]

i don't see why Math fakes not having SP, unless he's something like ascetic scum who thought that was a better route that admitting ascetic or just trying to lie and say yes, he didn't recover SP when the SP stealing mechanic was brought up.

[Dunnstral]

I do not have SP.

As I said, I had to confirm that I had SP with unwnd, so it is possible Math didn't know.

Disagree that you could not know

actually, you're right

If he got his regeneration blocked, he could have not known

[Something_Smart]

One other thought from Cabd, he thinks there's a lackadaisical feel to the game design in terms of small details matching up. He feels like expecting consistency could be disappointing.

This is true.

[Something_Smart]

If it were up to me I would elim Murderkitty during the day and just wait one night to see whether NDmath dies or not, because a watcher is a role that isn't going to live very long.

Scum probably have a way to counter it though...

[Ircher]

They can't keep everyone alive though. We're already up to what? Three potential threats to scum. They're gonna have to start eliminating them at some point if they are town.

[Bell]

If it were up to me I would elim Murderkitty during the day and just wait one night to see whether NDmath dies or not, because a watcher is a role that isn't going to live very long.

Scum probably have a way to counter it though...

Wasn't that the ninja. Do you think they have 2 or more ways to counter a watcher.
For example a role blocker?

[Ircher]

I fully expect scum to have a roleblocker if both Sigmund and NDMath are true claiming.

[Ircher]

Cuz otherwise, Town Doctor + Town Watcher is pretty broken.