Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[Nachomamma8]

I agree with Nacho's list for lynch order except swapping him for me,

Why?

[Nachomamma8]

And I thought you were paranoid of Anti, who I would never see lynched?

[BROseidon]

Your list only goes through the next four lynches, which I would want to be you/Desp/TF/possibly Anti, but the rest of this game probably won't let me make it further than day 8.

And I would swap you for me because I know that I'm town, whereas you are probably scum trying to stall out to make some sort of shenanigans happen.

[Nachomamma8]

It's me, you, or Desperado. First one to flip town damns the other two to a burning fire for the rest of eternity.

[Andrius]

tracked FTL to Trust Fund.

ok so this makes things easier

assume andy always reads nacho right

and nacho always reads andy right

nacho reads andy town

andy reads nacho scum

therefore nacho is scum ta-da

While we're not ALWAYSRIGHT and he's more right than I am, to say ALWAYS is def. a stretch.

Find me possible scum in the townblock. Otherwise this is just nonsense speculation.

We both were in a game where adhering to common logic cost town quite alot.
Possible scum?
Antihero. Boom.
Faking confirmed innocents on actual townies and/or a buddy (but not two that's stretchcity). Fakeclaim of Cop with modifiers. Boom.
The whole bulletproof could be a silly and stupid red herring and the vig could be scum who made the best shots he could while still being able to fake townvig.

His partner's power role hasn't been disabled.

Would we know if our PRs were disabled? AJ was lynched D4- well after mastin/Ghost were established and likely used their abilities- mine seems *SPECIAL*- TF and mac have used theirs up, FTL and Antihero's haven't been tested since/used up.
I'm not saying that you're wrong- I'm saying you're reaching WAY TOO FAR.
No way an Enabler enables his ENTIRE SCUMTEAM.
Riding the balance of A WHOLE SCUMTEAM on the backs of a TRAITOR ENABLER and the PASSIVE ASSIGNER is too risky.
Namely b/c TRAITOR.

There are no living power roles who have had their powers disabled from the "enabler" dying

we also can't really prove that they WOULD BE, with mine being EXCEPTIONAL and mac/ftl being the only other claimed prs who can USE THEIRS.
Oh yeah, and they have a lovely connection at the moment so.

And if scum power had an enabler, and town power had a role that one-shot vanillaized scum, then it's only logical to conclude that the scumteam is fucking stacked and vanilla townie results are equivalent to confirmed town (with the possible exception of BRO's).

more stretch
additionally, you're doing what someone accused BRO of doing- flipping the gameboard around. We're looking at a 7:5 ish split with PRs one one side and MOSTLY VT/UNCLAIMED on the other where the VT side is the LYNCHSIDE. You're pushing for CONFTOWN THE VTs and arguing for STACKED SCUMTEAM which ONLY MEANS that there are SCUM PRs out there blending in with the first group. Elsewise where would they be? BRO can't claim PR, and you can't either unless you/FTL/mac which is already an insane list. So there's DESP and TD. HIGHLY UNLIKELY we MORE POWER in there hidden somewhere.


100% against the notion that the scumteam is STACKED.

Mac/Trust Fund, did you guys have daytalk but lose it with AJ's death?

It'll be a no- Encryptor is the commonly accepted form of DAYTALK ENABLER. :/

and knowing his second shot got whiffed on a bulletproof who FLIPPED BULLETPROOF

So I'm guessing that was N2.
So that means he was BP then.
Thus could be shot D3- prompting the claim and the massive IMMA TRAITOR BROADCAST to the scumteam.
Scumteam still ignored him lol.

Ok the puzzle looks nice.

un cc'ed cop w/scum godfather

we don't, for a fact, know that AJ was Investigation-Immune
I mean PROBABLY since GODFATHER BULLETPROOF but we don't know if they are SEPERATE or GODFATHER modifies BULLETPROOF, hence the GODFATHER ROLE offering BULLETPROOF PROTECTION (not Investigation-Immunity as it sometimes does!)

on the off chance that he's scum

[Andrius]

14. notscience - Modconfirmed Townie
7. Ghostlin - MASON

20. Antihero (Venmar) - Modified TownCop (can only get 2 Innos)
8. Mac - 1shot Neighborizer, TOWN through Antihero
18. TiphaineDeath - Vanilla, TOWN through Antihero

2. Andrius - SUPASAINT
16. waynegg (Mutleyddmc Skullduggery) - 2shot Vig

---------------THE LYNCHABILITY THRESHOLD--------------

6. Faster Than Light - Nonconsecutive Nilla Cop, confirmed N3 target of FTL
10. Nachomamma8 - Vanilla, confirmed VANILLA through FTL
19. Trust Fund - 1shot Vanillizer, confirmed NONVANILLA through FTL
4. BROseidon - VT

5. Desperado

[Desperado]

Andy I claimed VT yesterday

[Andrius]

mac/FTL/TF is way too large, esp. factoring in NACHO
Anti/mac/TD is also way too large

brb looking at a claim once more before

predit: oh
ok that makes sense ty

[Andrius]

Yeah um.

Town INVESTIGATIVE POWERHOUSE is balanced by LACK OF PROTECTIVE ROLES granted a MASON is BODYGUARD (I seriously would have no action's every night). Mastin was 1shot. Scum have a RB and a Redirect. Which would supremely have fucked us over if they got to redirect a cop with the ADDED PASSIVES. (AM I CONFTOWN YET?)

No protective power means town can be investigation-heavy with SUICIDAL MASONS (lol), town-hurting PRs (HAMMATIME).

[Andrius]

14. notscience - Modconfirmed Townie
7. Ghostlin - MASON

20. Antihero (Venmar) - Modified TownCop (can only get 2 Innos)
8. Mac - 1shot Neighborizer, TOWN through Antihero
18. TiphaineDeath - Vanilla, TOWN through Antihero

2. Andrius - SUPASAINT
16. waynegg (Mutleyddmc Skullduggery) - 2shot Vig

---------------THE LYNCHABILITY THRESHOLD--------------

6. Faster Than Light - Nonconsecutive Nilla Cop, confirmed N3 target of FTL
10. Nachomamma8 - Vanilla, confirmed VANILLA through FTL
19. Trust Fund - 1shot Vanillizer, confirmed NONVANILLA through FTL
4. BROseidon - VT

5. Desperado - VT

[Andrius]

HAHAHAHAHA

I was like HOW DOES THIS GAME HAVE ONLY FOUR VTS

and then I realized we have a massive pile of BODIES lying around

hahahaha

[Nachomamma8]

Antihero. Boom.
Faking confirmed innocents on actual townies and/or a buddy (but not two that's stretchcity). Fakeclaim of Cop with modifiers. Boom.

the claim is outside of venmar's scope as scum.
the fakeclaim is 1000 times any other of those other scumfuck fakeclaims.
so the idea that one person came up with a godtier fakeclaim while aj/mala/rach stayed specifically within their scumgames is laughable.

The whole bulletproof could be a silly and stupid red herring and the vig could be scum who made the best shots he could while still being able to fake townvig.

mafia TWO SHOT vigilante + mafia roleblocker + redirector + mad scientist + bulletproof godfather traitor makes more sense than the scumteam being stacked? hell no.

Would we know if our PRs were disabled?

Yes. That's the only thing that makes logical sense. Otherwise there's a situation where people think they are being blocked but in reality their powers just don't work anymore.

No way an Enabler enables his ENTIRE SCUMTEAM.
Riding the balance of A WHOLE SCUMTEAM on the backs of a TRAITOR ENABLER and the PASSIVE ASSIGNER is too risky.

Town power seems pretty limited to me; traitor just has to survive the first few days and can't be vigged or investigated.
Why is it "too risky"?

additionally, you're doing what someone accused BRO of doing- flipping the gameboard around. We're looking at a 7:5 ish split with PRs one one side and MOSTLY VT/UNCLAIMED on the other where the VT side is the LYNCHSIDE. You're pushing for CONFTOWN THE VTs and arguing for STACKED SCUMTEAM which ONLY MEANS that there are SCUM PRs out there blending in with the first group. Elsewise where would they be? BRO can't claim PR, and you can't either unless you/FTL/mac which is already an insane list. So there's DESP and TD. HIGHLY UNLIKELY we MORE POWER in there hidden somewhere.

both scum are claimed VTs. BRO may actually be a VT thanks to TF's power.
Desperado is not a VT, although his power could be disabled.

I mean PROBABLY since GODFATHER BULLETPROOF but we don't know if they are SEPERATE or GODFATHER modifies BULLETPROOF, hence the GODFATHER ROLE offering BULLETPROOF PROTECTION (not Investigation-Immunity as it sometimes does!)

In Xenoblade, orcinus was a godmother.
Not an Investigation Immune Godmother.
A Godmother.

[Andrius]

14. notscience - Modconfirmed Townie
7. Ghostlin - MASON

20. Antihero (Venmar) - Modified TownCop (can only get 2 Innos)
8. Mac - 1shot Neighborizer, TOWN through Antihero
18. TiphaineDeath - Vanilla, TOWN through Antihero

2. Andrius - SUPASAINT
16. waynegg (Mutleyddmc Skullduggery) - 2shot Vig

---------------THE LYNCHABILITY THRESHOLD--------------

6. Faster Than Light - Nonconsecutive Nilla Cop, confirmed N3 target of FTL
10. Nachomamma8 - Vanilla, confirmed VANILLA through FTL
19. Trust Fund - 1shot Vanillizer, confirmed NONVANILLA through FTL
4. BROseidon - VT

5. Desperado - VT

17. Sound of Silence,

Seraphita, Vanilla Townie of the Nisan Alliance,

was killed Night 1.

11. Saki,

Sigurd Harcourt, Vanilla Townie of the Nisan Alliance,

was killed Night 1.

13. nickthename,

Maria Balthasar, Vanilla Townie of the Nisan Alliance,

was lynched Day 2.

3. BeautyAndTheBeast,

Emeralda Kasim, Vanilla Townie of the Nisan Alliance,

was killed Night 2.

21. zMuffinMan,

Tolone, Vanilla Townie of the Nisan Alliance,

was killed Night 4.

9. mastin2,

Bartholomew Fatima, Pirate Regent of the Nisan Alliance,

was killed Night 3.

notscience, Innocent Child
Ghostlin, Mason Bodyguard
Andrius, =====[]

15. RachMarie,

Krelian, Passive Santa Claus,

was lynched Day 1.

12. Malakittens,

Miang Hawwa, RB and 1shot RD,

was lynched Day 3.

1. Aj The Epic,

Id, Conditional Godfather Bulletproof Ability Enabler Traitor,

was lynched Day 4.

[Nachomamma8]

Well let's see what the Enabler could disable when it dies:

A) Scum Power
B) Town Cop (although it disables itself when it gets two innocents)
C) Mason Pair (one-shot jailkeeper or odd night bodyguard, seems nerfed to me)
D) One-Shot Conditional Vanillaizer
E) Non Consecutive VT Cop
F) Two Shot Vig
G) Tracker/Neighborizer/Commuter

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[Nachomamma8]

ALL OF OUR TOWN POWER MINUS ONE-SHOT JAILKEEP IS STILL ALIVE
NONE HAVE BEEN INFORMED OF LOSING POWER

[Nachomamma8]

also if cabd didn't suck he woulda asked bro was power he gained
"My power vanillaizes if scum, gives a one-shot unspecified PR when town."

[Andrius]

the claim is outside of venmar's scope as scum.
the fakeclaim is 1000 times any other of those other scumfuck fakeclaims.

whoa whoa lets not insult venmar's intelligence
i mean its not like he lurked out his days and broadcasted his investigates

no he's fucking town im just trying to argue with you

mafia TWO SHOT vigilante + mafia roleblocker + redirector + mad scientist + bulletproof godfather traitor makes more sense than the scumteam being stacked? hell no.

RB and RD were the same role
prob cant simulcast either

IF HES MAFIA HES ONESHOT. NO WAY HE SHOOTS AJ N2 BEFORE THE CLAIM, DOESNT GET THE TRAITOR, thus FORCING AJ TO CLAIM INTHREAD TO BROADCAST.
No way scum gets two kills when one fails and AJ STILL isn't recruited.
No way in hell.

Yes. That's the only thing that makes logical sense. Otherwise there's a situation where people think they are being blocked but in reality their powers just don't work anymore.

ok no we would i was just getting at the profound lack of prs we still have active

Town power seems pretty limited to me; traitor just has to survive the first few days and can't be vigged or investigated.
Why is it "too risky"?

because if the traitor kicks the can and his enabling dies off then how the hell do they function
there are two ways to render the SANTA CLAUS useless and that's KILL SANTA or KILL TRAITOR

and the arguemnt was at the ABILITY ENABLER not the traitor so much, though the traitor DOES make it alot harder to deal with since HI GROUPSCUM ITS ME AJ ADD ME PLS

both scum are claimed VTs. BRO may actually be a VT thanks to TF's power.
Desperado is not a VT, although his power could be disabled.

desp claimed vt

so you're
1) not trying to lynch the confirmable group but
2) not trying to lynch the VTs who ARENT conf.town btw

:/

In Xenoblade, orcinus was a godmother.
Not an Investigation Immune Godmother.
A Godmother.

ok ill grant you that- mod meta op




predit: AETTJWTHJAJQEJ NINJAIIIII

[Andrius]

Well let's see what the Enabler could disable when it dies:

A) Scum Power
B) Town Cop (although it disables itself when it gets two innocents)
C) Mason Pair (one-shot jailkeeper or odd night bodyguard, seems nerfed to me)
D) One-Shot Conditional Vanillaizer
E) Non Consecutive VT Cop
F) Two Shot Vig
G) Tracker/Neighborizer/Commuter

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

ALL OF OUR TOWN POWER MINUS ONE-SHOT JAILKEEP IS STILL ALIVE
NONE HAVE BEEN INFORMED OF LOSING POWER

my argument is that most of them HAVE NOTHING TO USE
antihero lost his after 2 innocents
joat lost his after abilities got used

also if cabd didn't suck he woulda asked bro was power he gained
"My power vanillaizes if scum, gives a one-shot unspecified PR when town."

p.s. im still laughing inside about the suicidal mason

[Andrius]

HI IM THE TOWN SECRET WEAPON LETS GO ATTEMPT TO GET MYSELF KILLED!
wheeeeeeeeee
*splat*

[Andrius]

dude nacho we know when you're scum
we don't have the love
its easy
look at xenoblade then look at lol

I mean when im scum I have to use the love because that's me but
theres no love here
theres no love when you're scum

[Nachomamma8]

IF HES MAFIA HES ONESHOT. NO WAY HE SHOOTS AJ N2 BEFORE THE CLAIM, DOESNT GET THE TRAITOR, thus FORCING AJ TO CLAIM INTHREAD TO BROADCAST.

if he's mafia he shot saki
he probably shot aj as well unless you think he "vigged" b&b.
otherwise: how did he recruit AJ? why did they out him if they recruited him? how did they think of the bulletproof gambit?

1) not trying to lynch the confirmable group but
2) not trying to lynch the VTs who ARENT conf.town btw

wtf i'm trying to lynch bro and desperado

my argument is that most of them HAVE NOTHING TO USE
antihero lost his after 2 innocents
joat lost his after abilities got used

if they're incredibly limited shot
WHY THE HELL WOULD THEY BE ENABLED BY A TRAITOR

[Nachomamma8]

look at xenoblade then look at lol

then look at xenogears
then look back at me

[Andrius]

HERES THE THING:

YOU PUT TOWNANDY AND TOWNNACHO IN A NEIGHBORHOOD TOGETHER AND WATCH THE SPARKS FLY LIKE FUCKING TRUE LOVE
You put two people in a QT who aren't sure if they're both town and you get Tiercempire/Andy in that one game
see the thing is regardless of your alignment YOU KNOW IM TOWN and there's not really love from you
that's what gets me :/

[Nachomamma8]

we fell in love on day 1 when we were both getting called scum for stupid reasons

[Nachomamma8]

then i got paranoid AS I OFTEN DO at one point about you, and then i fixed it and fully endorsed you later