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In post 4973, talah wrote:I have half a dozen black holes about why he'd play like he is as town.

If you were being lynched would you throw your life on the line for Seniors?

^me

can I replace my alt pleeease

talah replaces True Ogre?
I promise to behave

I wouldn't vote someone I don't think will flip scum even if I'm getting lynched. That's dumb <_<

I don't know what else to do Dwlee. I'm not feeling a Piper lynch today (well I'm not feeling like pushing it), Axel to me gets a day and I have no idea why Seniors does.

Mirhawk's wagon looks like really good? Everyone voting him is pretty okay as far as I can tell?

Are you still in your Piper thing or

Yes I am still in my piper thing

In post 4976, dramonic wrote:I wouldn't vote someone I don't think will flip scum even if I'm getting lynched. That's dumb <_<

Don't make me sheep you dramonic.

Also you never stream on twitch.

okay well fuck it

UNVOTE: Mirhawk
VOTE: Piper

But no-one's even voting Piper

In post 4982, talah wrote:But no-one's even voting Piper

^fuck. me again

UNVOTE:

bbl

lmaoo

Yehwell. Do you think Piper's actually being lynched today Dwlee?

Shall we converge on Axel instead?

wtf like I don't mind axel at all obviously but literally all Axel has to do to live is claim anything cause we would have like 3 hours left and then a NL happens. Like just kill mir here.

I think it's 24h-ish

In post 4988, talah wrote:I think it's 24h-ish

^True Ogre sends apologies for the interloper above who said words which should have propelled from True Ogre's own maw

In post 4900, Rob14 wrote:

Deadline:

(expired on 2016-05-08 10:15:00)

Yah 23+ hours itle

I can swap onto Piper if it's doable

In post 4986, True Ogre wrote:Yehwell. Do you think Piper's actually being lynched today Dwlee?

Shall we converge on Axel instead?

it is possible

How does Mirhawk come out looking town in that exchange? He refused to vote seniors, whose alignment he does not know and whose slot has been a topic of constant discusion and easily has the most associatives of the game, because he didn't see a benefit to flipping them? I mean, I'm a fairly staunch seniors is town supporter, but even I am aware that there would DEFINITELY be benefits to a seniors flip.

:/

Okay, now that I think about it, I guess that exchange was kinda town overall then, especially if you believe seniors is town...since it only makes sense for scum!Mirhawk if he is deliberately trying to act like he's stubbornly protecting seniors in order to make it easier to get the eventual mislynch on that slot to go through.

I don't know Mirhawk well enough to know if he'd do something like that.

All that exchange did is make me slightly more confident if we moved to FS today but still Mirhawk is always going to be my top lynch.

In post 4748, Mirhawk wrote:To be honest, my flavor actually would imply that I'm a cop. But sadly I am not.

It seems pretty strange to me that scum!Mirhawk would be setting up the whole "my flavor doesn't align with my role" thing early and by that he meant "not a cop".

In post 4764, Mirhawk wrote:The Pied Piper - Lied to everyone regarding the reason they couldn't disclose information, then later pretended in sequence that it wasn't suspicious/didn't happen/and that talking about it was rolefishing. I am in fact astounded and confused that pretty much NOBODY in town appears to give a shit about this as it's pretty cut and dried scummy behavior. It can't just be the scum as there can't be more then three or four of them in total, most of the town apparently decided that they wouldn't even acknowledge that this is even happening for ~reasons~. Obviously my read on them is scum, as I can't think of a reason for town to behave the way they did.

The reason why we didn't want to disclose why we were crumbing an innocent on tictac to Cakez is because explaining it outed both of them. The reason why people are complaining about us lying in the first place is because we said a "bunch of" PRs instead of "a couple PRs"; the motivation for doing so as scum is non-existent; the idea that people came up with is that we were crumbing to out PRs to make it less likely that people would want to lynch us or some dumb crap like that even though the difference in gain between saying a bunch of and a couple for scum is pretty much zero, which means either A) we're liars, B) our perception of "a bunch of" is different than yours, or C) we have another PR we are trying to avoid to out. The only thing that this magical exchange has proven to me is that certain people in the town either want everything or nothing; there's no use trying to explain this situation to everyone's satisfaction because no one actually gives a shit what I'm typing, and the only small benefit that could come out of our slot explaining further is being driven a little less crazy but that obviously isn't happening so there's no use in trying.

You say that our play is pretty "cut in dry" scum, and yet you've gone through no effort in explaining it. Can you explain why scum in our position would crumb the innocent on tictac Day 2 and then refuse to explain it? Can you explain why the motivation we would give for explaining it as scum was "out a bunch of PRs" when we could have pretty reasonably said that it would out two PRs as opposed to a bunch? You were pretending like we were a universal scumread with our backs against the wall throwing everything and the kitchen sink at everyone to avoid a lynch but WE WERE NOT SIGNIFICANTLY SCUMREAD. WE WERE NOT GETTING LYNCHED TODAY. The only reason there is even lynch pressure on us period is because of the claim situation that we got ourselves into if scum and had no motivation to get ourselves into if scum. People are lashing out and calling us "obvious scum" because of a situation that they don't understand and won't understand until everything's on the table, which isn't happening period.

In post 4995, The Pied Piper wrote:The only reason there is even lynch pressure on us period is because of the claim situation that we got ourselves into if scum and had no motivation to get ourselves into if scum.

Well that's patently false.

In post 4764, Mirhawk wrote:Kinda split on Seniors. Their "I don't give a shit" attitude day one made me think they were town. I've kept to this all game as I feel that most of cases made on them for the whole game were pretty bad or pointless meta bullshit (or both). Their attitude over that last couple days has been pretty sketchy though. Them suddenly scumreading/voting me is pretty opportunistic/survivalist, which looks shitty but isn't necessarily something town wouldn't do. Their reads from their reread are terrible and fake as hell though. Knowing the flips we have now does add new information on a reread, but I barely interacted with any of the dead players until after page thirty. If anything I would think I should look more town because I started questioning Skybird immediately after she started playing. Also saying that Piper is scum if I flip town seems super convenient for tomorrow. I don't know, their town game has been fucking terrible, but they still don't strike me terribly as scum. I'd probably call them null.

We must be remembering a pretty different Day 1 then because last time I checked, it was pretty difficult to classify Friendless Seniors as the "I don't give a shit" type from Day 1. What I do remember is hiplop refusing to do anything until beeboy left him alone, then I remember crappy attacks on Ranger, Amihan (for "faking too much" - remember when everyone thought Amihan's miller counterclaim looked pretty solidly town and hiplop went "nah guys she's faking too much"), shifting off Ranger to push an alternative tictac wagon even though they were very very confident on Ranger, and then nonsense nonsense nonsense. They are voting you because "they could be wrong" - this isn't why town people vote other people, this is how scum compromise on wagons they know will flip town so they can continue pretending that there's something behind the shit scumreads that they've been pushing and pushing and pushing - and for what reason? Why are Friendless Seniors pushing us again? Oh yeah, "pointless meta bullshit" - calls clumsy wagoning a scumtell from Plot based on Butterfly Mafia where Plot was uncharacteristically disengaged and frustrated and angry, calls us scum for SOFTING A GUILTY ON HIM TO GAIN SUPPORT which is a line of shit repulsive enough where even Dwlee, who has done nothing this game but single-mindedly push us, said "no, that doesn't make any sense", and has pushed us for the claim bullshit that everyone else has pushed.

In post 4996, dramonic wrote:

In post 4995, The Pied Piper wrote:The only reason there is even lynch pressure on us period is because of the claim situation that we got ourselves into if scum and had no motivation to get ourselves into if scum.

Well that's patently false.

Could you remind me why you're scumreading us, Dramonic?

Not voting piper or Mirhawk ftr