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In post 4962, Scioness Sajj wrote:GG guys, thanks for hosting RC

In post 4966, Commander Shepard wrote:Gg all I am okay with releasing PTs

And I lied to Shoshin I didn’t trust you at all. The claim was sketchy as fuck. I am quite surprised you were town. And that site rule is there for a reason.

In post 4970, Commander Shepard wrote:

In post 4969, Shoshin wrote:

In post 4966, Commander Shepard wrote:Gg all I am okay with releasing PTs

And I lied to Shoshin I didn’t trust you at all. The claim was sketchy as fuck. I am quite surprised you were town. And that site rule is there for a reason.

I realize you lied to me... but it's okay... you didn't trust I was town, I didn't trust you to lynch scum...

What site rule?

That if bodyguards don’t die protecting PRs they are scum.

In post 4972, Ankamius wrote:I will go into my thoughts later

But Shoshin, you were wrong. We would have likely won faster if you died night 3

In post 4973, Shoshin wrote:

In post 4972, Ankamius wrote:I will go into my thoughts later

But Shoshin, you were wrong. We would have likely won faster if you died night 3

Doubtful. Look at how this played out.

We mislynched once after D3, on Sajj. If Nancy hadn't accidentally hammered, maybe we don't mislynch at all. Either way, the result isn't bad. After N3, we lynched 3 scum and 1 town. That's a fast win by any measure.

If I had died N3, would town have mislynched Sajj? Probably yes, because she was Shepard's top suspect and you specifically said she was scum if I flipped town. You add in Sajj's lie, Wheme's whimsical vote, Nancy's accidental hammer, etc. and Sajj is almost certainly mislynched again. And it'd be disingenuous for you to say in hindsight that you wouldn't have mislynched Sajj when that was who you expressly wanted to lynch.

You also said Random/Wisdom were obvtown and that Wheme was the last scum if both myself and Sajj flip town. That doesn't give me any assurance that we would have won "faster," if anything it worries me that we would have lost. If I die N3, scum kill Shepard/Nancy on N4 & N5, leaving you, Random, Wisdom, Wheme, and the worst in LYLO. Given what you said about Wheme, why should anyone believe we even win if I die N3?

I let Shepard die to keep my voice in the game, and while that might run against your theory of how mafia or bodyguard is supposed to be played, the results speak for themselves.

In post 4978, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:

In post 4972, Ankamius wrote:I will go into my thoughts later

But Shoshin, you were wrong. We would have likely won faster if you died night 3

I agree with this because had you died D3, your random suspicions would have been taken far more seriously.

In post 4968, NicoRobin wrote:I actually knew Angel was town since N2.....but couldn't tell you because dead....

In post 4980, Shoshin wrote:

In post 4978, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:

In post 4972, Ankamius wrote:I will go into my thoughts later

But Shoshin, you were wrong. We would have likely won faster if you died night 3

I agree with this because had you died D3, your random suspicions would have been taken far more seriously.

I doubt it. You didn't trust Nico on Random after she died, you didn't trust Shepard on Random after he died, and you ultimately didn't trust Reality on Random/Wisdom after she died. So why would you have trusted trusted me?

In general, dying means your reads get ignored... that's been my experience in most games... unless you have a strong reputation for good reads, which I don't have because nobody has played with me before...

This is one of those games where only a few of the very best players will be able to appreciate my play because most others can't get past a stilted theory about how bodyguard is supposed to work.

Considering how misguided both you and Ank were reads-wise, I think maybe instead of blaming me for your bad reads you should take this opportunity to learn from where you went wrong.

In post 4964, Wisdom wrote:given the cards i was dealt, I think i did the best i could
traitor sucks. I couldn't bus random, and i had no say in the nightkills. I wasn't lying that id never make those kills.
Even so, i think that was easily a win until tw gladiated me, so good job tw.
gg

In post 4959, TehBrawlGuy wrote:

In post 4958, the worst wrote:it surprised me too tbqh but when I reread your ISO it did make a bit of sense (you were one of the townier players, and there was a lot of value in keeping the WIFOM of the underground hood alive for d2). I was so so sad when I saw the flip though. what a badass power.

i knoooooow

it is one of the coolest powers i've ever gotten outside a bastard game

In post 4979, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Maybe you’re right but your reaction at the time to CS’s death and overreaction on Angel was a big part of what made people suspicious of you. Also, CS would have also pushed random lynch and would have likely gotten it. Yes, you hands down, had the best scumhunting instincts of anyone in the game and you 100% deserve credit for that but your constant let’s lynch random posts, actually had the opposite effect. Although if I was in another game with you, I’d obviously view that differently.

In post 4982, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I would have trusted your reads because CS would have continued to push random. As I said befire, it was mostly your reaction to his death and not your decision to not protect him, that made me scumread you. Scumreading you because of that made me think random was town. You can argue all you want about how ridiculous you think that is but I was hardtown reading you until that point.

In post 4986, Wisdom wrote:from one point of view its probably fair this scumteam didnt win

In post 4980, Shoshin wrote: Considering how misguided both you and Ank were reads-wise, I think maybe instead of blaming me for your bad reads you should take this opportunity to learn from where you went wrong.

In post 4992, RadiantCowbells wrote:like idk as the mod you guys berating the person who caught the scum team d2 because they didn't suicide to protect a person whose reads were all dead wrong seems pretty silly to me

think a lot of this is just you all siding against shoshin because she's an outsider relatively

In post 4995, MathBlade wrote:

In post 4992, RadiantCowbells wrote:like idk as the mod you guys berating the person who caught the scum team d2 because they didn't suicide to protect a person whose reads were all dead wrong seems pretty silly to me

think a lot of this is just you all siding against shoshin because she's an outsider relatively

Shoshin is good. Don’t get me wrong.

She does deserve props for this game.

However saying you know more than the entire town is incredibly risky to say the least.
If Shoshin was wrong and town it would have been very very bad.

That rule for bodyguard exists for a reason. Same with a couple other PRs.

In post 4992, RadiantCowbells wrote:like idk as the mod you guys berating the person who caught the scum team d2 because they didn't suicide to protect a person whose reads were all dead wrong seems pretty silly to me

think a lot of this is just you all siding against shoshin because she's an outsider relatively